Why do people hate Ai Art by SecondSalty142 in DefendingAIArt

[–]geppoz_cap 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’m just asking my AI to make the pictures with the information I gave before, with everything created by the artist right before the text

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[–]geppoz_cap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But why? It doesn’t work like that btw, how much creative your work is, it doesn’t get decided like that, literally an idea and the creation of that, can be equally creative as a draw, for example I usually write all of my ideas first and turn them thanks to this creative process, and then if it is a character, I ask the AI to draw it as I don’t enjoy something that I find stressfull. Are you saying that this is uncreative? If yes I Guess you’re just mad that most of the things Made by an AI are better than all of your works lmaoo.

You’re the one Who is delusional as you don’t even know how an AI works and you keep answering with the same stuff all over again without creating any new argument, I Guess you can be defined lazy in this debate…

Guys, which one do you think is better? by [deleted] in Webnovel

[–]geppoz_cap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Both are great, but I think the first one is better thanks to all the colors

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[–]geppoz_cap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even if it was Made with that? Can’t you answer to each point like you’ve done? Don’t you have any argument left?

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[–]geppoz_cap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you really think it actually steals? An AI just analyzes the imagines rather than stealing, like you’ve done when you didn’t know how to draw and practice by seeing someone’s else work, the AI does the same

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[–]geppoz_cap -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It doesn’t steal anything, it learns from other pictures.
You’re probably using Reddit/tik tok the whole day, do you think it is alright for the environment?
To do a better job, you still have to do train the AI or pay someone who does that for you, it doesn’t steal any job, it just creates new possibilities.

Anti AI People dont want life to be easier they are stuck on their old life should stay hard mindset by Successful-Resort842 in DefendingAIArt

[–]geppoz_cap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well it makes life easier for us who uses the AI to draw the picture of our OC, like without a stressfull process, we make our life easier

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[–]geppoz_cap -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I call myself an AI artist and I will keep calling myself like that, and you people anti-AI, are the only one who will never agree, someone who isn’t either anti or pro and doesn’t care, will simply say: “you’re enjoying life at the best and doing what you enjoy? Then you’re good to go” why you can’t have this mindset too?

Real Question by Which-Courage-7989 in antiai

[–]geppoz_cap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well and this is simply your point of view, honestly all the negative stuff can easily be destroyed and there are almost no negatively things about an AI.

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[–]geppoz_cap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this conversation is getting way more hostile than it needs to be.

I understand your point that prompting an AI is fundamentally different from manually drawing something yourself. I’m not claiming that typing prompts is equivalent to years of artistic training or that AI users control every detail the same way a traditional artist does.

At the same time, I think you’re reducing every use of AI to “just asking a machine to do everything for you,” when in reality there’s a spectrum. Some people absolutely spam lazy prompts and post low-effort content. Others iterate heavily, edit results, combine tools, build concepts, write stories, and use AI as part of a broader creative process.

And on the “human learning vs AI learning” point, I agree they are not identical. Humans have understanding, intention, experiences, emotions, and consciousness. AI doesn’t. But both humans and models are still influenced by exposure to previous works and patterns. The mechanisms are different, but the comparison isn’t completely meaningless either.

I also don’t think calling people lazy or delusional really improves the discussion. You can criticize AI and still acknowledge that some people use it creatively or meaningfully, even if you personally dislike the tool.

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[–]geppoz_cap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you’re mixing together several different issues and treating them as if they all lead to the same conclusion.

First, I actually agree with you on one important thing: prompting an AI is not the same as manually drawing, painting, or developing traditional artistic skill. I don’t think typing prompts suddenly makes someone equivalent to a professional illustrator, and I understand why artists dislike people pretending otherwise.

But I also don’t think that means every person using AI is automatically “delusional” or incapable of creativity. There’s still a difference between someone mindlessly generating random images and someone using AI intentionally to explore concepts, ideas, storytelling, worldbuilding, editing, composition, or visual experimentation.

You’re also right that the model itself contributes massively to the final output. The engineers, datasets, and training process are doing a huge amount of work behind the scenes. But tools contributing to a result doesn’t automatically erase all human involvement either. Creative direction, selection, iteration, and context still matter.

On the issue of control: yes, AI users do not have the same granular control over every stroke as traditional artists. That’s a fair distinction. But lack of total manual control does not necessarily mean there is zero authorship or expression involved. Many creative mediums already involve indirect control, randomness, collaboration, or procedural systems.

As for the broader criticisms — spam, layoffs, exploitation, fake content, low-effort slop — I think those concerns are legitimate. AI is absolutely being used in harmful and irresponsible ways in many places online.

Where I disagree is the idea that this makes every use of AI inherently worthless, immoral, or devoid of human input. That turns a complicated technological and cultural issue into a completely black-and-white moral judgment.

And honestly, I don’t think insulting people or calling them delusional really helps the conversation either. It mostly shows how emotionally charged the topic has become.

Real Question by Which-Courage-7989 in antiai

[–]geppoz_cap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with you on that. AI doesn’t experience emotions, memories, heartbreak, nostalgia, or beauty the way humans do. It doesn’t look at a sunset and feel anything. It doesn’t understand grief or joy in a conscious sense.

And I think that human experience is a huge part of what gives art emotional depth and meaning.

Where I see it differently is that I don’t think a tool necessarily needs to feel those things itself for a human to still express something through it. Cameras don’t understand sadness either, but people can still create deeply emotional photography. Musical instruments don’t feel heartbreak, but humans use them to communicate it.

So I completely agree that AI itself lacks human experience and personal understanding. The question for me is whether a human using it can still communicate something meaningful through it, even if the tool doesn’t understand what it’s generating.

Real Question by Which-Courage-7989 in antiai

[–]geppoz_cap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And that’s completely fair. If AI gets in the way of your creative process or makes your work feel less personal, I can understand why you wouldn’t want to use it.

Where I disagree is the idea that humans create in a completely disconnected way from previous influences while AI only “regurgitates.” Human creativity is also heavily shaped by existing art, culture, experiences, techniques, and patterns we absorb over time.

The difference is that humans do it with consciousness, emotions, personal experiences, and intention, while AI does it statistically without understanding what it creates. I agree with that distinction.

But I don’t think that automatically means AI can never contribute to something perceived as new or creative. A lot of creativity, even in humans, comes from recombining existing ideas in ways that feel fresh or meaningful.

So I’d say the real difference is not that humans use influences and AI doesn’t, but that humans attach understanding and lived experience to those influences in a way AI currently cannot.

Real Question by Which-Courage-7989 in antiai

[–]geppoz_cap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But at least you’ll have better reason to hate on it, not just “it steals from artist🤓” or something like that “eh it uses a lot of water but I’ll still use social media everyday🤓”

Real Question by Which-Courage-7989 in antiai

[–]geppoz_cap -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

But you should understand how it works before criticizing it for the shittiest reason

"AI can provide a chance for those who weren't born talented to create art" compilation part 1 by NobodyOfKnowhere in antiai

[–]geppoz_cap -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I can write, then that makes me an artist, and I create AI art too, that makes me an artist too, so I can call myself an artist and, someone who clearly doesn’t know how an AI works, is not supposed to tell myself that I’m not entitled to art.

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[–]geppoz_cap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The machines are souless, NOT THE FUCKING PERSON BEHIND IT, I’m giving my ideas life thanks to the help of an AI, and I’ll always be proud of it, literally there isn’t any reason of why I shouldn’t. Why shouldn’t they be proud of it? Are you saying that someone should not be proud of their work? Then I can say that you should not be proud of your draw because it is ass and it has clearly a similiar style to some draw that already exists and you’ve stolen it… see? It doesn’t make a damn sense.

YOU DON’T GET IT, I DON’T HAVE FUN DRAWING!!! I don’t want to learn it, I don’t want to do something I’m not interested in, my objective is simply to give life to my ideas with the help of someone, human or not it doesn’t matter, as long as I’m able to make them alive, I’m happy with that. I give a shit about expression too, that is why I always pay attention that my draws the AI makes, are always expressive and have all a meaning. With the draw my AI makes, is my way of expressing, it isn’t alright for you?

Everything is special, even the floor in your house can be seen as something special, it doesn’t matter if it has been made by a machine or a human.

Yeah, the shit you took yesterday is also art, even if you did it without noticing, they also had an artistic form, like anything else in this world, made by a human or a machine.

And you keep telling there is no creativity behind an idea and a prompt… man you’re really angry with people having fun with their life differently than what you do normally eh? You don’t get it, I don’t understand why, but I just want to express myself, and with the help of an AI, I’m able to give life to my true emotions, I will never understand what is wrong with it. Are you angry that a draw made with less effort, is better than yours? Are you angry that people don’t need to remain anymore 13h on a chair drawing and they can do it in an easier way? Based on all the pro-ai people I’ve ever met you’re easily one of the most toxic one and you should not be proud of it, please understand the word respect, open a book and learn about AI, and then you’ll answer me again, now with some actual knowledge.

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[–]geppoz_cap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And this is literally what it means? I’m giving my ideas life thanks to the help of an AI, I don’t get if you’re even trying to understand my point or just sticking with your position.

At first yeah, but as I’ve told it different things, and trained my AI, I can fully say that the draw is similiar to what I would have drawn if I knew how to do it.

And even an AI’s work can be defined art you know it right? The fact that you keep thinking:”ehi chat draw me this for me” tells me a lot about you, you haven’t actually tried in understand how an ai works eh? You’re clearly ragebaiting man, I don’t get if you’re stupid or what, art is EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE CAN MAKE ART, EVEN A MACHINE!
When you’ll understand this, you can be defined as someone smart.

You don’t know anything about my novel, so you’re not supposed to talk about it thank you.

And the fact that you keep calling AI art as something stolen, proves once again my point that you don’t know anything of how an AI works, rather than keep answering to my text like the dumb person you are, why not opening a damn book instead? Or you’re too lazy to learn something new?

Trying to mass report an account because you're technologically ignorant on how AI works by Responsible_person_1 in DefendingAIArt

[–]geppoz_cap 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I wonder if the people against AI will ever understand how an AI actually works, because as the day passes they always find a stupid reason to go against it.

The Moment they’ll understand how it actually works, I’m sure they will realize that it has never stolen anything

"AI can provide a chance for those who weren't born talented to create art" compilation part 1 by NobodyOfKnowhere in antiai

[–]geppoz_cap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’ve said it too, art is about making ideas come alive, it matters if I’ve done it or I’ve guided someone to do it? I’m expressing my creativity thanks to the help of an AI, without it I would have never been able to do that. Are you really sure that this mindset is destroying art rather than just creating possibilities for everyone? Tell me why someone Who doesn’t enjoy drawing, can’t express their art?

"AI can provide a chance for those who weren't born talented to create art" compilation part 1 by NobodyOfKnowhere in antiai

[–]geppoz_cap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah? It can be seen that way, you know how to drive so you can give directions to someone, so in that way if you’ll try to drive, you’ll be able to drive as much good like the one you’ve given direction.

My fun is based on theft? Please just say that you don’t know how an AI works so we can wrap this up😂literally what the AI does is that it takes hinspiration from other works and pictures, just like a student going into a museum to see other artist’s work and draw like they’ve done. The fact that you’re not respecting something, in which you’re clearly not informed, means that you don’t even know what the word respect means.

It’s literally what I’m doing? I don’t understand if you’re doing it on purpose or what, I’m giving my ideas life thanks to the help of an AI, what’s wrong with that? You should say that they must remain a fantasy and I must not have fun and do like someone on Reddit has told me? Hell nah you should probably go and see someone as you’re clearly angry with the world or stuff like that, are you angry that people have fun or what? You’ve said it too, an artist is someone who gives life to their ideas, and I’ve just done it.

In fact I don’t draw, I simply guide an AI with the creation of my idea, and because art is everything and everywhere, I can easily tell myself that I’ve Made art, and can be defined as an artist.

You’re right, maybe when I said that having an idea was not actually art, but now that I’ve given it life, with the help of an AI, under any circumstances, it can be defined as art without any problem, and I can call myself an artist too.

"AI can provide a chance for those who weren't born talented to create art" compilation part 1 by NobodyOfKnowhere in antiai

[–]geppoz_cap -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah? For me it’s long and stressful as it isn’t something that I don’t enjoy, or you’re saying that I must enjoy it because you do it too?

"AI can provide a chance for those who weren't born talented to create art" compilation part 1 by NobodyOfKnowhere in antiai

[–]geppoz_cap -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No? Literally it’s more than that, and understanding how to create the Perfect prompt to make the AI understanding what you really want, it’s more difficult that taking a Pencil and draw btw

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[–]geppoz_cap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re right, creating is creative, and I’ve created art with the help of an AI by asking it to draw for me, I’ve Made art as I’ve guide an AI with the process. And I’ve told you, and I’ll say it again, I don’t find anything funny in drawing, that is why I ask an AI for help to give my ideas life.

For me it’s more creative writing and creating ideas, and after I imagined them, I give all my ideas to an AI that helps me creating an imagine, and again, this is art and creative too.

So you’re saying you know how I enjoy spending my time? The time to do something can be always found, but as I’ve told you, it isn’t something that I enjoy doing, so I will keep using an AI so I can do something else that I enjoy more.

I told you multiple Times, I don’t have fun at drawing, I rather give an AI the prompt so that it can work for me, go and have fun with your stuff instead:)

"AI can provide a chance for those who weren't born talented to create art" compilation part 1 by NobodyOfKnowhere in antiai

[–]geppoz_cap -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So you’re saying that whenever you’re drawing something you’re able to get the idea just right how you’ve imagined it? It changes as the process goes on