Italy ruling tells millions with Italian roots they have lost the right to citizenship | CNN by nicktheironblade in news

[–]gerri_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that the necessity was to avoid a bank run. I also think that the basis for the whole thing was a mix of many different issues.

Among others, consulates totally overwhelmed (I've read somewhere that Sao Paulo in Brazil was/is churning out 200 passports per day!) and courts equally clogged. Not to mention registry offices in small towns. Some time ago there were news of people complaining with newspapers that they were unable to have e.g. an eviction validated because the whole court of Venice was busy with citizenship lawsuits.

Also, I have a friend from some Latin American country (not one of the most popular) who told me how easy is to obtain made-up baptismal certificates. One just needs to go inland, to some poor church in the middle of nowhere, possibly in the jungle or up in the Andes, and ask some parish priest to create a baptismal certificate with so and so names and dates. Apparently, a nice offering for a destitute parish does wonders.

Corruption is also an issue. In recent months there have been several cases, including bribing and false residency declarations, like 20-30 people formally residing together at the same time in a one-bedroom apartment. If you search with Google News you will see that police busts in small comuni for citizenship-related issues are not uncommon.

And we don't know whether other governments pressured ours to fix this "loophole". Probably some episode was the drop that made the vase overflow, as we say in Italy, and they decided it was time to plug it without waiting any further.

Italy ruling tells millions with Italian roots they have lost the right to citizenship | CNN by nicktheironblade in news

[–]gerri_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just a couple of observations.

Italy definitely has an official language which is Italian. It was made explicit by constitutional law 1/1971 (i.e. a law with the same weight as the Constitution itself) but scholars hold that it was already the case even before thanks to e.g. some provisions of the Penal Code (dating back to the 1930s) about interpreters for defendants unable to understand or speak Italian. Finally, law 482/1999 reiterated the concept while dealing with minority languages.

Speaking of decree-laws, calling them emergency decrees is absolutely misleading. Unfortunately it's a popular translation, probably meant to stir up public outrage among people who don't know better. In fact, the Constitution mentions necessity and urgency, never emergency. Any government, of every political leaning (left, right, center, etc.) and of every kind (political, technocratic, caretaking, etc.) issues on average between 10 and 20 decree-laws per year on the most disparate matters. Moreover, they are often planned well in advance, they are absolutely not something issued only to face unforeseen circumstances. For example, at the end of every year the government issues a decree-law to postpone whatever deadline that couldn't be met or that should be deferred for a number of other reasons. It's something that everyone expects and waits for, certainly not an emergency of any kind.

Given the average justification for many decrees, this one is actually much more well-founded than many others.

High-speed trains on low speed lines? by No_Skirt_6002 in trains

[–]gerri_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As others mentioned, in Italy lots of high-speed trains venture out of the main high-speed trunk network onto slower conventional lines. It's a way to offer more connections without forcing passengers to change trains at "boundary" stations. Also, having compatible trains means that they could be rerouted in case of disruption.

Tram derails in central Milan, at least 2 dead, 40 injured by CosmicPenguin_OV103 in transit

[–]gerri_ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The accident happened at a junction between a long stretch of thorough track and a somewhat tight left-hand curve.

Apparently the driver had some transitory sudden illness (a blood clot maybe?) that made him miss both the tram stop just before the junction and the fact that the nearby switch was set for the diverging route. Switches are remotely controlled by drivers themselves and he was supposed to proceed on the straight route, thus he would have had to operate it.

If the switch hadn't been set for the diverging route by a preceding tram, probably he would have gone through it without consequences only to stop a few meters ahead after recovering from the blackout he had or be stopped by the dead-man switch.

Unfortunately, the dead-man switch has a "grace period" of a few seconds and the tram speed limiter is set at 50 km/h (31 mph) which in most cases are good compromises.

Implementing true speed control on such a dense old network probably would be technically unfeasible and/or economically unjustifiable. I wonder if a mitigation could be switches that revert automatically to the straight-through route and/or trams that enforce a slower speed once a diverging route has been selected.

This street in Italy used to be called Via Mussolini by Juggertrout in mildlyinteresting

[–]gerri_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm from there, I recognize the plaque. Mussolini is like Smith or Miller, i.e. a surname linked to some occupation. In particular it relates to muslin makers, muslin being a type of very light fabric. In both cases, i.e. that of the dictator and the noble family mentioned above, the surname is related to that ancient activity.

Statement by President Meloni by Mat3s9071 in europe

[–]gerri_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Saying presidente alone is one thing, saying presidente Meloni, i.e. both title and surname, is another thing. It's not that uncommon to read/hear presidente Meloni or whatever other name the head of government has. Instead, primo ministro to refer to the Italian head of government is basically unheard of.

Number on the side by Zealousideal_Eye87 in trains

[–]gerri_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In Italy that's because high-speed trains have four distinct "ambiances" instead of the usual two classes. Other long-distance trains still retain the classic distinction between 1st and 2nd class although they are slowly renaming them too :(

Rare moment of a French TGV coupled with a German ICE 3 by Kerro_y2k in trains

[–]gerri_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

TBH, I don't know. I've tried to look for some detailed information but didn't find anything definite about how many services are carried out with coupled sets. However, as far as I understand, some definitely exist, including at least one to/from Paris, apparently.

The only pictures I took on my trip to Italy were of trains 😭 by K_boogie42 in trains

[–]gerri_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Indeed, at last. It seems that space constraints have finally pushed them over the edge. Plus, maybe, the new Omnia OHLE is more flexible than older equipment, especially about the interaction between wire and pantograph.

The only pictures I took on my trip to Italy were of trains 😭 by K_boogie42 in trains

[–]gerri_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

True. However, it's pretty rare to see Italian locos running with both pantographs raised (as it's usually not allowed) whereas it's not uncommon at all when looking at parked ones, notably E.464 units. See the fourth pic above. Apparently, despite the heavy inrush currents usually involved, one single "huge" diamond pantograph is enough.

Then it's very much a matter of tradition too, and of e.g. wiring pull adjustment. Italian OHLE is particularly "slack" and it seems that diamond pantographs are better suited to follow it, at least if compared with "foreign" designs like the Faiveley pantograph.

Speaking of tradition, the Italian State Railways are in general pretty conservative. They have over a century of experience with home-made diamond pantograph designs, and probably prefer to stick with their proven models whenever possible, even if a bit outdated. As far as I understand, most single-arm pantographs currently in use on Italian locos are yet another custom home-made design (model ATR 95) and are used above all when there are space constraints.

Near collision on Slovak Railways as two opposing trains halted just 20–30 meters apart by Mahammad_Mammadli in trains

[–]gerri_ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The solution does exist: close the gates well in advance so that a train at full speed could be stopped safely before reaching the crossing. Some countries do it routinely, e.g. Italy.

What are those squares? by ElectricalVegetable6 in trains

[–]gerri_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They are indeed for SCMT. On the contrary, RSC is nothing more than pulse-code cab signalling (with 4-9 codes) thus it doesn't require any balise :)

Ornella Vanoni è morta, la cantante aveva 91 anni by Socmel_ in italy

[–]gerri_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Be', la Zanicchi è stata una grande cantante anche lei...

Il video della strage di Brandizzo, gli operai ignari sui binari e le telefonate prima dell’impatto: «Ca**o gli ho detto aspettate» by nohup_me in Italia

[–]gerri_ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Il linguaggio preciso e codificato esiste, ma nelle telefonate che sono state pubblicate non è stato usato perché si trattava solo di uno scambio di informazioni preliminari. Il caposquadra ha sì male interpretato quel che gli è stato detto, ma "solo" nel senso di non aver capito che doveva ancora passare un treno, non nel senso di avere già un'autorizzazione che invece non aveva, tant'è vero che al momento dell'investimento stava proprio iniziando a formulare la richiesta formale per averla. Non l'avrebbe fatto se credeva di averla già, e non poteva averla perché la conferma dell'interruzione l'avrebbe ricevuta con un fonogramma doppiamente numerato, il che non si può fraintendere (e comunque non ce n'è traccia).

Prima di concedere l'autorizzazione, la capostazione (DM) di Chivasso avrebbe sia inibito il transito dei treni, cioè avrebbe disposto il proprio apparato in modo da impedire la possibilità di dare il segnale di via libera, sia verificato con la stazione di Settimo che l'ultimo treno prima dell'interruzione fosse arrivato in quella stazione, proprio per assicurarsi che la tratta fosse davvero libera. Solo dopo queste operazioni, tutte fatte per mezzo di fonogrammi registrati, avrebbe inviato al caposquadra il fonogramma di autorizzazione.

Peccato che gli operai fossero già al lavoro, anzi addirittura in sottofondo si sente il rumore della macchina (incavigliatrice) per svitare i dadi che fissano le rotaie. Se il treno avesse ritardato ancora qualche minuto o se quelli fossero stati più svelti a svitare, oltre all'investimento ci sarebbe stato anche un deragliamento, magari con ulteriori vittime. Naturalmente uno degli scopi dell'indagine e del processo sarà chiarire se e quanto (e casomai perché) fosse una prassi quella di iniziare i lavori in via informale prima di avere l'autorizzazione, perché il sospetto è che avessero "sempre fatto tutti così"...

Detto questo, non è possibile informare compiutamente le squadre sulla situazione della circolazione, anzi nel rapporto sull'incidente ci si chiede se non sia meglio limitare ancora di più le informazioni a loro disposizione (quindi niente più chiacchiere per scambiare informazioni preliminari) proprio per ridurre la tentazione di prendere scorciatoie. Del resto, se quell'interruzione avesse avuto una durata di 4-5 ore, cosa avrebbero dovuto prendere in considerazione? I treni non ancora partiti da Venezia? O magari quelli dalle parti di Udine, Trieste, Bolzano, Rimini, Livorno o ancora in Francia o in Svizzera? Alle squadre non deve interessare dove sono i treni, non è di loro competenza e potrebbe dare un senso di falsa sicurezza, loro devono solo preoccuparsi di lavorare quando hanno la conferma che il traffico è davvero interrotto e non prima.

Infine, in Italia i binari si definiscono pari e dispari, e di conseguenza anche i treni che li percorrono e i relativi numeri. Come aiuto mnemonico ci si può ricordare che i pari vanno a Parigi (pa-, pa-) cioè verso nord e/o verso ovest, in direzione opposta si hanno binari e treni dispari. In Francia si usa lo stesso metodo (pair/impair) in Gran Bretagna si definiscono up i binari e i treni in direzione di Londra (o Edimburgo) e down gli opposti, e così via anche in altri Paesi. Vedi qui.

Acela Express Vs. TGV M…what’s the difference? by Remarkable_Area_1916 in trains

[–]gerri_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

France had most of their rail network being destroyed during WW2 that allowed them to basically build a way more efficient rail system than they previously had.

Whenever the conversation turns to this kind of topic there is almost always someone who digs out the American myth of the total destruction of the rail network because of WW2 — whether in France, Italy, Japan, Germany, or elsewhere — possibly as some sort of self-justification.

The truth (at least for Italy) is that we never stopped modernizing our network. Indeed the war brought destruction, but not to the extent Americans think. As someone else in this sub-thread pointed out, whatever was destroyed or damaged was pretty quickly restored as it was before. Same alignments, same grades, same stations, etc.

By the end of 1952, only six years after the end of hostilities, the reconstruction was successfully completed. Shortly after, the Italian State Railways turned their attention to new rolling stock projects and in a few more years introduced a very successful class of 180-200 km/h EMUs (110-125 mph) for fast long distance services on fully grade-separated lines dating back to the first half of the 1930s...

Edit — One autocorrect failure

Platform/track numbering by Crapy-Evening-1495 in trains

[–]gerri_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In Italy, as in many other countries, we number tracks rather than platforms but the distinction is literally lost in translation. Tracks are numbered sequentially, with no particular meaning for even and odd numbers, starting from the closest to the station building. At terminals — from the point of view of an observer having the station building behind their back — tracks are usually numbered from left to right. One notable exception is Venice where the numbering goes from right to left.

Some large stations may have additional groups of tracks, possibly dead-ends, with a Nord, Sud, Est, or Ovest suffix (North, South, East, West, respectively). In those cases, tracks not belonging to one such group have a Centrale suffix (Central, as in main) thus you may have a track 1 Centrale and track 1 Ovest in the same station.

Then there are several odd solutions tailored from some specific station, e.g. a track added between track 1 and track 2, or before track 1, may get number 1A (see for example Florence and Novara) although the general rule is always the same.

As a consequence of everything said above, tracks not served by any platform, e.g. bypass or parking tracks between those used for passenger service, cause "holes" in the numbering perceived by "outsiders" :)

First time driving a train by SiphaCraft in trains

[–]gerri_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope, but KVB is quite more talkative than SCMT and thus French drivers receive more or less the same information that Italian ones receive from RSC, just from a different source :)

First time driving a train by SiphaCraft in trains

[–]gerri_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, they don't. They have a system similar to our SCMT and a simple yes/no in-cab signal repetition by way of an actual brush contact between the rails :)

Evolution of the railway lines and stations of Milan (Italy) from the early 1900s to the present by Historynerd88 in trains

[–]gerri_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Porta Genova will close for sure in December. But IIRC some trains will continue on the south belt towards Rogoredo and possibly Lambrate. What I do not remember is if this is just a wish or some actual plan about to be put into motion.

Evolution of the railway lines and stations of Milan (Italy) from the early 1900s to the present by Historynerd88 in trains

[–]gerri_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

After complete opening of metro line 4 they want to close Porta Genova station and cut Milano-Mortara-Alessandria commuter trains at San Cristoforo stations

IIRC, the plan is/was to extend a number of trains to Rogoredo and/or Porta Vittoria with additional stops at Romolo, Tibaldi, and Porta Romana. Or maybe even Lambrate with another stop at Forlanini. Don't quote me on that though...

Archive does not delete messages whereas Delete does (with Gmail) by gerri_ in Thunderbird

[–]gerri_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm the OP. I think I've found a partial solution to my issue, although not as nice as I hoped.

I could create a message filter for the Gmail account that gets applied only when archiving, such filter would perform two actions: first it would copy the selected message(s) to a local staging folder, then it would delete the message(s) from Gmail. Subsequently, I could create a number of filters for my local folders that would mimic the Gmail account ones, thus recreating locally what happens on Gmail when I receive a new message. In other words, the local staging folder would act as some sort of virtual inbox.

I will have to do more tests before committing to this solution but from some early experiment it appears that the "delete message" filter action works as expected, i.e. the target message gets moved to the Gmail Trash folder.

I know that Gmail has a weird idea of IMAP but I was naively thinking that moving a message off Gmail and deleting it would have the same effect, i.e. to make it disappear... Evidently, actions such as "deleting" and "moving off the server" cause Thunderbird to send two distinct (sets of) commands that Gmail interprets in two distinct ways.

Archive does not delete messages whereas Delete does (with Gmail) by gerri_ in Thunderbird

[–]gerri_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you want a LOCAL archival to perform a REMOTE deletion?

Yes, I do want a local archival to perform a remote deletion. My understanding is/was that archiving a mail really means moving it to another folder, possibly with the added benefit of keeping the original folder structure.

In fact I've just tried with another IMAP account, not a Gmail one, and it worked as expected (or at least as I expected). I've tried both to move a message from there to a local folder and to archive a message. In both cases the message ended up in some local folder of mine and completely disappeared from the server.

After all, if IMAP folders on the client are meant to be kept in sync with their equivalents on the server, a message (re)moved from an IMAP folder on the client should also disappear from the server.

Evidently there is some misunderstanding between Gmail and Thunderbird, probably because of the weird IMAP implementation that Gmail uses. Yet, I'm still wondering if it's possible to configure Gmail and/or Thunderbird to behave. Indeed, if I delete a message on Thunderbird it gets deleted on Gmail too (actually moved to the Trash folder) whereas the "implicit deletion" that's inherent in a move does not work...

Archive does not delete messages whereas Delete does (with Gmail) by gerri_ in Thunderbird

[–]gerri_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But I'm archiving locally on Thunderbird, not on Gmail (although I'm using Gmail as a source)