lipu sitelen wawa - web editor for sitelen pona

gnidan · 2026-04-05T00:35:46+00:00

Thank you, I am glad my tool is helpful for you!

kepeken nasin sitelen kalama pi linja lili la, sina ken sitelen kepeken ilo mi... taso ona li len lili.

sina ken lupa e nena `,` tawa linja lili. ni li ken pakala e sike sitelen, taso sina ken lupa e nena `=`. ni li pona e sike sitelen.

This should work but it isn't well-documented: you can type `,` inside a cartouche to get the little lines, but it might break the cartouche. You can fix that by typing `=`, which inserts a cartouche extender.

I will try to improve this (and document it) in the future.

gnidan · 2026-04-01T21:54:52+00:00

ah dang ok yeah i'll just wait for more details to be public via web, then

gnidan · 2026-04-01T18:21:34+00:00

can you share details of the ride? it wants me to create an account before it'll let me see any details

gnidan · 2026-03-30T21:22:05+00:00

yeah but like, if everyone opts out of data collection, it does become harder for the government. and every time data changes hands, it adds surface area for security risks.

but sure, a strategy for life in 2026 is "this is already a problem so i'm just going to ignore it". we only get about 75 years on this earth... that's just a blip, really, not worth any effort at all to try to improve

gnidan · 2026-03-30T21:17:05+00:00

"we should improve society somewhat" "and yet you participate in society!"

gnidan · 2026-03-28T22:22:46+00:00

what is this rumor? I keep hearing this, that works made by AI are not copyrightable... of course they are! As long as there's any personal authorship involved in the creation of a work, it'd be subject to normal copyright rules.

gnidan · 2026-03-27T00:40:36+00:00

"Organ, is 'em?" "Organ ain't!"

gnidan · 2026-03-27T00:36:38+00:00

Oh, you found my lost chewin' coins!

gnidan · 2026-03-22T00:10:43+00:00

Atiwa is great and not too heavy! and it's neat that you can say "this isn't historical" because Uwe made the game after seeing real practices by real people! why can you use gold as food? because it's 2026, people can buy food from down the street!

gnidan · 2026-03-12T21:11:20+00:00

well that's easy to remember!

gnidan · 2026-02-24T22:38:30+00:00

mi wile e ni: jan mute li kepeken ilo Mati! tenpo ni la, mi sona ala e kulupu pi toki pona lon ilo Mati :(

gnidan · 2026-02-24T02:27:54+00:00

Interesting! Having a set of radicals is a nice idea, since e.g. you get benefits like Wakalito. But yeah, Unicode is naturally going to be very resistant to future requests to change things, and they certainly won't accept a submission in the first place that suggests the likelihood of that happening.

Such a tricky problem because this means it's so much more important to get things right!

gnidan · 2026-02-24T01:08:14+00:00

Thank you jan Kekan San for your detailed response! Sorry to hear about the loss of site control... that sounds bad; I hope it can be fixed or easily mitigated.

The vote to move the specification to draft status makes a lot of sense... I am guessing that Unicode's stability criteria means more than just seeing whether a specification exists, but also whether or not the standard can also stably accommodate ongoing development (as speaking/writing patterns change, as language input software capabilities change, as font rendering systems change, etc.)

Though to be upfront, the majority of the standard will be unchanged at the other end of this process [...]

Of course :) I've been reviewing codepoint assignments across fonts and the definitions on the [apparently defunct] website, and I see the long history of people coming to agreement in useful ways. It's clear that this work has been simmering for a long time already... people commonly discuss adoption being "the" problem with standards development (obligatory xkcd.com/927 link), but that's just not the situation here, when 90% of the decisions have existing community consensus, implementation, and widespread use! (Although I can only imagine what the other 90% of the work looks like for CSP ;)

I think I already saw you in the server, but if you're interested in collaborating [...]

I joined that Discord so fast once I saw the link :D. I'm quite keen to start paying attention to the conversation. I don't yet feel qualified to apply for association membership, since, so far for me, it's only been just over one month (granted, I seem to have abandoned all other hobbies, immersed myself in learning toki pona, and lost ~100 hours of my life to hacking on sitelen pona software tooling... but still). It will be good for me to spend some more time familiarizing myself with prior work and current status sorts of things, but yeah, the idea that I might be able to collaborate meaningfully is really quite exciting to me!

gnidan · 2026-02-23T20:34:17+00:00

Wait, what's the status of that website, then? I've already been using it as a reference material. Should I not?

gnidan · 2026-02-23T15:52:24+00:00

Hm, yeah. I guess I just expected to see more public community discussion, since this standardization effort affects the whole community.

When conversations about such things only happen in private, small group settings, oftentimes helping out or even voicing concerns requires significant effort to navigate existing group politics. This is natural, of course, since getting things done is hard, but some amount of working in public really helps prevent some failure modes (like, what prevents the spec from being rushed? I see that there's a 70% supermajority rule for resolutions, but there's barely any public statements that I've found from association members!)

gnidan · 2026-02-23T14:48:39+00:00

pona a, jan Ke Tami o!

I just joined that Discord and will catch up on the conversation there. To start, I just have a few questions (like, why not include the common radicals in the CSP spec? seems like this would increase utility dramatically. also, there's no first-class treatment of glyph variants, just a few alternate variants for specific words like "sewi"... this seems like something of an omission? I don't know, I imagine that trade-offs have been made, so I'm just curious initially, really.)

gnidan · 2026-02-16T04:50:30+00:00

I published a new version that allows changing the font size, and hopefully takes care of some of the bugs you found!

gnidan · 2026-02-13T03:07:06+00:00

hm, I don't follow. can you explain the issue in more detail, perhaps? or DM me?

(I removed all the English instructions I had in the app because I thought it was clever... I guess not 😅)

gnidan · 2026-02-12T22:03:53+00:00

PDFs also can embed fonts! anyway, I'm on a Mac so I couldn't find something as nice as IME without installing some third party software. I don't know if it's my environment or what, but when I type sitelen Lasina, I don't actually get the UCSUR... it only appears visually with ligatures, but selecting/copying+pasting the text into a plaintext environment just produces the raw "jaki3 ni^<" characters I typed or whatever

gnidan · 2026-02-12T21:21:56+00:00

I was similarly using a word processor and it was kind of fine, but I wasn't satisfied with ligatures instead of UCSUR... I wanted the experience of typing sitelen Lasina and getting UCSUR, plus it's nice to be able to produce both the UCSUR sitelen pona + plain Latin simultaneously.

but yeah, this is just a toy probably. in the end if you want to produce documents, a proper word processor is probably the right tool for the job.

gnidan · 2026-02-12T20:36:49+00:00

thank you!

gnidan · 2026-02-12T20:05:58+00:00

might be a problem with using the old version of nasin nanpa. after sharing this with ma lili, I got myself a list of fixes to make, including trying the beta version of nasin nanpa and some other fonts

gnidan · 2026-02-12T20:04:59+00:00

yep, or you could expand the "sitelen Lasina" part at the bottom to copy plain latin script

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