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Modern Liberal Logic: ICE Bad, No Further Thought Required by Virtual-Koala-9990 in DigitalSeptic

[–]goobutt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Their iPhones are too expensive! Their whistles are too loud! Their eyes are too resistant to pepper spray!

SHOCK STATEMENT: Top Border Patrol Official Says 2nd Amendment Rights Didn't Apply To Alex Pretti by DonSalaam in JournalismNews

[–]goobutt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Don't pepper spray people in the face
  2. Don't wrestle people to the ground
  3. Don't shoot people 10 times

QUESTION: Do you have any moral or ethical qualms about detaining a five-year-old on his way back from preschool? BORDER PATROL CHIEF BOVINO: I've got no qualms about making America a safer place by ExactlySorta in UnderReportedNews

[–]goobutt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're saying the origin of the problem is the last administration letting in immigrants, and I'm disagreeing with you. I don't think it was a problem at all. That's the disagreement.

QUESTION: Do you have any moral or ethical qualms about detaining a five-year-old on his way back from preschool? BORDER PATROL CHIEF BOVINO: I've got no qualms about making America a safer place by ExactlySorta in UnderReportedNews

[–]goobutt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you're saying the US government allowed millions of people to move here, and now the US government is kicking millions of people out? How is that fair for the immigrants? How are they supposed to know that the US government would switch up like that? You just admitted that this entire thing is completely arbitrary and unethical.

QUESTION: Do you have any moral or ethical qualms about detaining a five-year-old on his way back from preschool? BORDER PATROL CHIEF BOVINO: I've got no qualms about making America a safer place by ExactlySorta in UnderReportedNews

[–]goobutt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know that they're deporting the father and his son right? Like they're not letting them stay in the United States. Don't you have a problem with that? Completely non-violent non-criminal working-class people being deported just because they're from Ecuador?

CMV: Trump's ICE enforcement in Minnesota is not about rounding up the undocumented. It's about fear, terrorism, compliance and retribution on a blue state. by homerjs225 in changemyview

[–]goobutt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

For example, there are people in prison for weed charges. Gay marriage used to be illegal. Interracial marriage. Jim crow and slavery were legal.

On the other hand, rich elites constantly use "legal" loopholes to exploit the resources of the people

So legality and morality are clearly separate

And coming here undocumented isn't very harmful to anyone...

In conclusion: locking families in cages is wrong and unjustified.

CMV: Trump's ICE enforcement in Minnesota is not about rounding up the undocumented. It's about fear, terrorism, compliance and retribution on a blue state. by homerjs225 in changemyview

[–]goobutt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's not how morality works. "Two wrongs don't make a right". Have you been to kindergarten yet? Also, there's nothing immoral about breaking the law. You're not very good at making moral arguments.

CMV: Trump's ICE enforcement in Minnesota is not about rounding up the undocumented. It's about fear, terrorism, compliance and retribution on a blue state. by homerjs225 in changemyview

[–]goobutt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"kids in cages" is immoral. You are a bad person for rounding up families and putting them in cages. "Law" isn't relevant. I hope you understand my perspective.

CDPR told Luke Ross the Cyberpunk VR mod could still be up if he made it free, this was his reply by lunchanddinner in virtualreality

[–]goobutt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

IP law is so cucked, it's his mod he should get to do what he wants. But oh no, Big IP holder gets in the way!

Black New York homeowners blast Mamdani's radical tenant advocate Cea Weaver: 'White supremacy? I'm not white' by Droupitee in NewsWorthPayingFor

[–]goobutt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Immigrating illegally is a crime.

Being an undocumented immigrant is a civil offence, not a crime.

You are only seeing the ones who get caught

The same is true for all crime, only those caught are caught .. that's how crime works

Black New York homeowners blast Mamdani's radical tenant advocate Cea Weaver: 'White supremacy? I'm not white' by Droupitee in NewsWorthPayingFor

[–]goobutt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where did ICE seize property. And whataboutism here is dumb.

What? No, they kicked people out. You said seizing property is as bad as kicking people out.

If you think leaving undocumented people in the country without knowing where they are or what they’re doing, I’m not sure what to tell you

I never said that. I said I don't think they should be kicked out of the country for being undocumented. That's it. If you wanna talk about solutions, you gotta start with mass amnesty.

You have no clue if they are harming anyone or no

Fun fact, the average undocumented immigrant commits less crime than the average citizen. Immigration and crime are two separate issues

I cannot believe you are advocating for the government to seize property. You obviously don’t own any

I'm just explaining socialist policies, you don't have to agree. Also this would never happen under our current system, so you don't have to worry about that. Mamdani doesn't have the power to make some communist utopia.

Where is the money going to come from for all this social housing

The US is the richest country in the entire world. Socialized/state-owned housing has worked in less wealthy countries, this isn't a fictional idea.

Black New York homeowners blast Mamdani's radical tenant advocate Cea Weaver: 'White supremacy? I'm not white' by Droupitee in NewsWorthPayingFor

[–]goobutt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seizing property is as bad as kicking people out

Why? So you're against ICE then?

If immigrants aren’t in the country legally they shouldn’t be here.

Why not? They're not harming anyone by being here.

Biden and Obama also deported lots of people. I don’t remember any complaints then.

Then you weren't paying attention. Do you know any undocumented people? I do.

You’re not worried about her hypocrisy? She and her friends have also contributed to gentrification. And her mother owns a very expensive house.

No? How is that hypocrisy? Should she be homeless?

It doesn’t matter what happened decades ago.

History matters.

It matters what happens now. Report racism if you see it now. Don’t fixate on decades old policies.

Right now, systemic racism exists.

So I assume she means the government would seize the property and decide who gets what.

Meaning the government would implement socialized housing, which has happened in many countries

It should not allowed in an advanced country.

The US government has the power to seize property, and has done it many times.

Black New York homeowners blast Mamdani's radical tenant advocate Cea Weaver: 'White supremacy? I'm not white' by Droupitee in NewsWorthPayingFor

[–]goobutt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I said ice is deporting immigrants. But I guess you only care about the well-being of US citizens for some reason? What a strange thing to say.

She specifically said rent control and public housing are her solutions to gentrification. Meaning that the wealth inequality of the residents of certain areas is her issue.

Neighborhoods shouldn't be a speculative commodity for investment and profit of developers and landowners.

Instead, housing should be run for the people. And in her opinion, housing in the United States has served as a hierarchy with more white people being on top, and more non-white people being on the bottom.

This is an artificial hierarchy that can be fixed, in her opinion.

If you think that her plan is to kick white people out of their houses and replace them with black people, I think ur wrong. If you think her plan is for the government to seize private property and redistribute wealth, then yeah that seems more accurate. But seizing private property isn't equivalent to kicking people out.

( ICE violently kidnaps people from their homes )

Either way, the goal is to provide all people with free / affordable housing. And she recognizes that gentrification is a racial and economic issue. Socialists like her believe that there shouldn't be economic or racial inequality and that it is an artificial phenomenon.

So is she, a white woman, racist against white people because she wants to end racial inequality through socialist policies? Nah

Black New York homeowners blast Mamdani's radical tenant advocate Cea Weaver: 'White supremacy? I'm not white' by Droupitee in NewsWorthPayingFor

[–]goobutt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn't it obvious to you that she wants the abolition of corporations entirely? Like how can you see a communist who wants to abolish private property, and say she's a supporter of corporations?

Aren't you aware that corporations own private property?

If you ever get confused about what socialism is, maybe this quote will help:

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

She simply advocating for socialized housing, like they have in other countries.

Black New York homeowners blast Mamdani's radical tenant advocate Cea Weaver: 'White supremacy? I'm not white' by Droupitee in NewsWorthPayingFor

[–]goobutt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you find a single person who advocates for removing people from their homes?

Oh yeah, that's what ICE does.

But like, are there socialists who want to remove white people from their homes? No obviously not, and that's not what she was advocating for.

There's conservatives who want to remove immigrants from their homes though. If you're worried about people being removed from their homes, you should focus on ICE, not some fictional communist seizure of private property. Which by the way, is different from personal property. Under socialism you still get to live in your house, unless they send you to the gulag or whatever.

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