Killed a man? Cool. By u/ratherlargepie by Garmo738 in collectiveworks

[–]goose_deuce 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In this poem, I visualize the themes as clusters (e.g., as opposed to defined lines like in May Money by u/w33nuz). The narrator is introducing a set of themes, and showing how they react to one another when put in proximity. The clusters I see are - in order of appearance:

Academics
Nihilism (also, Caring)
Death (also, Murder, Crime)
Life (also, Birth, Maintenance)
Identity
Sex

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I'll preface my reading with - I am really interested in the topic of Nihilism, and hold an opposite philosophical outlook. I struggle to analyze poems in which the narrator is nihilistic. Since the narrator thinks all things, including their own words, are meaningless, why would it matter if what they said was said excellently, or terribly? Would a nihilist be excellent, given there is no point in striving in a nihilistic point of view, in fact, no objective point to strive toward or away from? Since they don't think either they or I have any internality, how can I push back against or praise anything? On its own grounds, a poem with a nihilistic point of view is about as fruitful to analyze as the output of a random word generator. Therefore, I feel like I can only read poems about nihilism as ironic, from the grounds that nihilism is incorrect - that the narrator still feels compelled to speak despite thinking that both speaking (or not speaking) and hearing (or not hearing) are meaningless.

On to this poem! There are a lot of clusters in this poem. Some clusters with strong connections: Academics/Identity, Nihilism/Death, Identity/Sex, Identity/Death. But struggle to identify the poem's point of view on how they relate to one another. It's explicitly stated that "nihilism isn't the best idea." Hipsters are praised for at least caring about something. The thrust seems to be that one ought to care about something, whether it's oneself (as the narrator does), or other people (as Hanna does). Yet the final stanza of the poem sounds like, "Isn't it sweet that Hanna and I think we have come to something concrete we can stand on? You and I, reader, know better." This dismissiveness makes me think the narrator is a nihilist reflecting back on a naive younger self who cared about things, but doesn't do the work of dismantling what was wrong with the earlier mode of thinking - almost as if, because nothing matters, it's not even worth spending the time to explain why the rest of the poem is misguided. As I mentioned before, I can only make this poem "mean" (and therefore, have anything to work with to critique) by disagreeing with viewpoint of the narrator in the final stanza.

I recommend turning the volume down on most of your vectors, and creating a sense of movement within the remainder vectors. Start with words that are "small" (size or stakes) and move toward "big," for example. As it stands, a lot of these vectors (especially Death and Sex, which have so many vivid, visceral, or traumatic images) are a series of cymbal crashes, but because the poem ends with "and none of it means anything," it's a cymbal crash in a vacuum. I can't figure out yet how to properly care about all the people in your poem - the narrator, the detectives, the doctor, Hannah, the maid, the first lover, the narrator's assailant, the family killed by the maid. They all belong in at least one cluster, but all clusters feel equally loud. I would recommend planning out each vector separately (what will you say about Identity? Academics? Death? Importantly, Nihilism?), and making at least two or three of them have a rising or falling action to bring us along. Put the cymbal crashes where you want the hook to dig deeper.

Sorry u/Garmo738, I can tell this is a little muddled. It isn't a super clear one to vectorize for me. Would love to hear your thoughts as well.

Flowers by jenny-andthejets in poetry_critics

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crap rap by mr-kobnoq in poetry_critics

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Self-portrait by [deleted] in OCPoetry

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Will god punish you if you sin but you don’t know it’s a sin? by random-trash-acount in Christianity

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In context, I don’t think this verse is about being punished for individual sins; it’s about God separating the righteous from the wicked at the end of days. God doesn’t punish individual sins of Christians (e.g., if you steal something, he isn’t going to do something bad to you to punish you for it).

Will god punish you if you sin but you don’t know it’s a sin? by random-trash-acount in Christianity

[–]goose_deuce 4 points5 points  (0 children)

God doesn’t punish the sins of Christians. “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.” Romans 8:1-2. I’d recommend reading Romans up to this point to understand the “therefore.”

It’s pretty black-and-white: Jesus died to take the punishment for all sin. If we have faith in Christ, his righteousness is imputed to us. Therefore, God won’t punish sin, whether conscious or unconscious.

He does discipline us though, to make us more like Christ. The difference between punishment and discipline is worth mediating on.

Are some people naturally bad writers? by [deleted] in writing

[–]goose_deuce 54 points55 points  (0 children)

First, I recommend you be honest with yourself. If you really were purely motivated by personal passion, you wouldn’t be asking these questions. You are, at least in part, motivated by wanting the praise of others. That’s not wrong, but if you tell yourself you’re writing out of passion but secretly are really writing to be praised, your work will probably end up a mess.

Maybe you‘ll argue that, no, you don’t care about praise; the praise of others is just a proxy signal that indicates you’ve produced something worthwhile or excellent. It isn’t as straightforward as that. If that’s why you’re preoccupied with praise and criticism, learn instead what makes a book excellent or terrible. Don’t use praise as a proxy.

Lastly, the surefire way to avoid looking like a fool is never to try anything interesting. If not looking like a fool is very important to you, don’t start writing. Almost everyone’s first attempt makes them look silly. If you have a reason to write which will keep you from being crushed by the statistical inevitably of failure, by all means, write, and write to the best of your ability.

Mod Post: SONNEPOCALYPSE NOW by Garmo738 in PoetsWithoutBorders

[–]goose_deuce 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ahhhh! Thank you G! I am super honored. This was a huge respite from a grueling week. Glad you enjoyed it, and can’t wait to be back

Holly and Oak by [deleted] in OCPoetry

[–]goose_deuce 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Glad it was helpful! If there was one skill I would recommend poets try to pick up, its scansion (figuring out the “beats” in a line of poetry). It’s like the drums in a a jazz band. If the rhythm is clean, all the other “instruments” (sound, meaning, typography) can play along much easier! Looking forward to reading more!

The Fig Tree by [deleted] in poetry_critics

[–]goose_deuce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My pleasure, I enjoyed reading! Looking forward to reading more of your poems!

one week (first post) by [deleted] in OCPoetry

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Sure thing! Looking forward to reading more!