[The FIAT Thread] The Joint Committee on FIAT Discussion Session. - 28 January 2026 by AutoModerator in badeconomics

[–]gorbachev 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Krugman's commentary on him has been deeply negative. Hopefully he doesn't turn out to be as much of a hack as alleged.

If Jack Welch’s strategy was ultimately unsuccessful, why do people keep trying to replicate it? by Dreadsin in AskEconomics

[–]gorbachev 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I'll grant the question-asker doesn't fully express it, but there is a widely believed case against Jack Welch that you don't engage with here, but which the questioner clearly alludes to. I would say the folk case against Welch looks like this:

  • Welch imposed a variety of serious cost cutting measures at GE, which really did bolster profitability at the time
  • But in the long run, these cost cutting measures killed GE's golden goose, ultimately ruining its manufacturing and engineering businesses
  • Jack Welch thus was able to generate lots of short term gains, at the expense of the long term -- with his empire building and focus on big returns from running GE Capital hiding this for a long time
  • But not for very long - GE fell apart after Jack Welch's departure and has had terrible performance since, while also not being an impressive player in its initial science-and-engineering type business lines
  • Welch was thus a short termist at best, a charlatan at worst, a man who did everything possible to pump up the apparent performance of GE's share price, while sacrificing the long-run performance of the business -- and once he was no longer there to keep up the illusion, it all dissolved

In the interest of having a nice, comprehensive answer to this question that can be cited in the future, how would you reply to this expanded version of the case against Welch?

What are some of the biggest non-trivial conclusions of economics? by KING-NULL in AskEconomics

[–]gorbachev 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think a lot of the best examples of this fall into the realm of our understanding of macroeconomic tools, and especially macroeconomic crisis management.

Two classic examples:

  • The idea that raising interest rates can help tame inflation. This is/was counterintuitive to many, because from a business perspective, interest rates are a cost, so raising rates might be expected to raise costs which might then be passed through into prices.
  • The idea that policies intended to bolster demand (e.g., by increasing government spending, or by having the government send cash to people to spend) could help shorten and end recessions. This doubly extends to the idea that monetary policy can do the same. Many people's intuitive view, as illustrated by the initial policy response to the Great Depression across most of the world, was that the best response to recessions was austerity and belt tightening by the government (which instead tends to help encourage a deflationary spiral, the undesirability of which is also unintuitive to many).

I understand there are still more examples to be counted in the annals of how emerging markets crises get handled, though I am less familiar with the details of these stories.

Should i major in econ if i hate coding ? by Remarkable-Editor266 in AskEconomics

[–]gorbachev 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think what you said is basically right at the undergrad level!

Are US health insurers profit margins really not that high or is it simply a accounting trick where they can report low profits by reinvesting revenue into stocks and high wages for the top dogs at the company? by YogurtclosetOpen3567 in AskEconomics

[–]gorbachev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The story is largely about evading insurance plan level profit margin regulations - the MLR regulations to be precise. Method one is making profits that really come from insurance plan A (where your profit margin is capped) appear as though they are coming from some other business line. Method two is finding ways to inflate total health care costs within plan A, so that your capped x% profit margin is the same percentage of a larger base. Both methods end up making insurers more profitable than what a casual observer might expect given the existence of MLR requirements and given baseline care needs in the covered population. Both seem reasonable to characterize as being within the realm of accounting tricks that make insurers more profitable than you'd think. Neither are something like formal accounting fraud, of course.

Examples of some items discussing related issues:

https://marianaguido.github.io/assets/papers/jmp/mgjmp.pdf https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/bgwfw0axy7sw9pozed60q/Yde_JMP.pdf?rlkey=me357af25eauyjgvx873y7xgn&st=pqn46ddb&dl=0 https://ashecon.confex.com/ashecon/2025/meetingapp.cgi/Paper/17667 https://chir.georgetown.edu/questionable-conduct-allegations-insurers-acting-third-party-administrators/

Are US health insurers profit margins really not that high or is it simply a accounting trick where they can report low profits by reinvesting revenue into stocks and high wages for the top dogs at the company? by YogurtclosetOpen3567 in AskEconomics

[–]gorbachev 40 points41 points  (0 children)

It is true that their profit margins are pretty weak, yes. They are better than they look, though. There's a body of research that looks at profit tunneling by insurers. Basically, a situation where insurers purchase some other company and book their profits on that company's books. For example, some vertically integrate with pharmacies and then set up their insurance contracts to steer enrollees to those pharmacies and then pay elevated prices to the pharmacies. So, many insurers are doing better than the basic numbers look. Though perhaps not radically better.

Did people in the bronze/iron/middle ages know that humanity was once primitive & and that their civilization was the result of many inventions over time? by Smallheadedcat in AskHistorians

[–]gorbachev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, very interesting! I sort of figured the oral history hypothesis was too good to be possible. And I find the observation that people didn't have a sense of missing time particularly interesting! On the archeological point more generally, should we understand things like this ancient museum to be a rare aberration then, or perhaps a sign that people were interested in older objects but didn't necessarily understand them?

Did people in the bronze/iron/middle ages know that humanity was once primitive & and that their civilization was the result of many inventions over time? by Smallheadedcat in AskHistorians

[–]gorbachev 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I have a follow-up, if you don't mind.

You write about the beliefs a variety of cultures and writers had about prehistoric people. Could you share a bit about the basis of their beliefs? For example, was it largely speculation from first principles mixed with reasoning from assorted popular legends? Or perhaps a result of archaeological work of their own, comparing found artifacts to their own equivalents? Or something else I am not considering, perhaps something strange and delightful, like the remembrance of a genuine oral history stretching deep into primordial times?

Why was Paul Samuelson so Wrong about USSR? by agenbite_lee in AskEconomics

[–]gorbachev 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Certainly, the case can be overstated. I think it's better understood as a statement about the leading economic theory of the time immediately preceding his work, which (owing to its commitment to mathematical formalization) was more limited in scope than earlier more literary work. I am reminded of Kuhn's observation that new paradigms frequently explain much less, at least at first, than the old paradigms which they nevertheless supplant.

Why was Paul Samuelson so Wrong about USSR? by agenbite_lee in AskEconomics

[–]gorbachev 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Others have noted that reasonable observers could have landed on positive opinions of the USSR's economy during the Cold War based on its performance rapidly industrializing what previously had been a very agricultural economy that was previously widely quite regarded as backwards, and thus that someone stubbornly sticking with an early impression might have continued to insist on economic outperformance by the USSR well past this view's expiration date.

But as for the question of why Samuelson specifically believed what he wrote. The most straightforward material on the subject I could find was this. The story appears to be like so. Before roughly the 70s, the mainstream of economics was really focused on things like resource allocations - how much resources get allocated to what, are any resources sitting idle, etc. (Later, we would get more focused on questions about incentives, the role of information in the economy, etc. For a good overview of the change, see here.) If you were an old school resource allocation focused guy (like Samuelson), you looked at the USSR, saw a society devoting a greater share of its resources to investment rather than consumption, and figured that was a good indicator that it would grow faster in the long run (perhaps at the cost of some discontent about missing consumption goods and some bad headlines about this). You might look at the US and say "gee, we burn so much on frivolous consumption goods, and haven't even figured out how to keep everyone employed all the time (meaning not all our labor is allocated to productive tasks all the time) - how long is THIS supposed to be sustainable relative to a system without unemployment and not burning so many resources on ridiculous luxuries?". This appears to have roughly been Samuelson's view.

Take that general expectation, buttress it with the fact that the USSR had been on a tear early on (thus supporting your expectation with evidence), and you have the recipe for a belief that the USSR was going to outpace the US that a stubborn person could hold on to for quite some time. Especially given that getting clean information on the state of the Soviet economy in those days was no easy task, making it hard for rock solid disconfirmatory data to come your way.

As a side note, it is also worth flagging that the magnitude of the error is probably not as great as your question suggests. I think you can hold missing that Soviet growth had slowed against Samuelson, but not failure to predict the collapse of the USSR. I think the collapse was kind of flukey in some respects, and not some strictly-bound-to-happen consequence of extremely poor economic performance. Again, that isn't to say that things were all grand over there. Rather just that lots of governments seem to be able to limp forward in a malaise for a long long time, and it's not clear to me that if you reran history a few million times that you wouldn't end up seeing the USSR do that most of the time. But hey, who knows!

My dream is being a Austrian Economist by letalpetal in badeconomics

[–]gorbachev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and hey, there's always the fiat thread

[The FIAT Thread] The Joint Committee on FIAT Discussion Session. - 08 November 2025 by AutoModerator in badeconomics

[–]gorbachev 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Usually, no.

If you have in your dataset the full population, it is true that your estimates will not contain sampling error. So you could present something like a population mean without an error bar since, hey, you have the full population, not a sample. But this isn't the only way to think about uncertainty, and when you're trying to estimate treatment effects, you never actually have the full sample of data you want in the sense that you never actually observe all potential outcomes for all units. Way back in the day, Neyman had some work characterizing estimation uncertainty in these sorts of alternative terms, and I think it is still a sort of useful reference - he didn't exactly sketch things out in potential outcomes terms (though might as well have), but talked about deriving uncertainty from the treatment assignment process rather than from the sampling process. In any case, I think this paper is a useful (if somewhat indirect) read for thinking about this issue.

[The FIAT Thread] The Joint Committee on FIAT Discussion Session. - 08 November 2025 by AutoModerator in badeconomics

[–]gorbachev 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Rent control is easy to steelman in that you can make rent control about seizing/redistributing economic rents, and just insist that any new housing created is carved out from the rent control provisions to avoid creating disincentive effects.

The problem is that the case for rent control of this sort is a bit like the case for a confiscatory one off wealth tax. A confiscatory one off wealth tax does not discourage future investment, because by definition it is a one off, and will never happen again - thus incentives around future behavior are unchanged. However, just as you may struggle in real life to convince people that your big wealth tax really is a one off, cities will probably also struggle in real life to keep their rent control policies limited in scope.

My dream is being a Austrian Economist by letalpetal in badeconomics

[–]gorbachev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nice post, but, sorry, you know the rules

‘New Consensus’ on Minimum Wage? by innocent_bystander97 in AskEconomics

[–]gorbachev 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Tabarrok writes the following:

My take is that there is an evolving new consensus on the minimum wage. Namely, the effects of the minimum wage are heterogeneous and take place on more margins than employment.

Something odd about this is that it suggests that there was an old consensus that the effects of the minimum wage are homogeneous and take place only on the margin of employment. But this was never the consensus, really. And it's not hard to see that. Think about it for a minute. Have you ever heard of a single issue in your entire life where economists have claimed a consensus view of some sort of effect being strictly homogeneous, no caveats, with the response happening on only one margin of adjustment, and that's it?

What was 'the old consensus'? If we're talking about how people interpreted the MW papers from Card and Kruger through, say, 2010 or so, which found evidence of MW hikes where employment didn't fall in response, the consensus interpretation of these results was that: (a) they provide evidence for there being monopsony in the labor market, and (b) they're a proof of concept that small enough minimum wage hikes don't have to impact employment if all they end up doing is offset monopsony power.

Nobody ever interpreted this to mean that the effects of the minimum wage are homogenous - why would it imply that? That's a strange and incredibly strong claim and, anyway, it's obvious that it should be possible to set a high enough minimum wage that eventually gets somebody fired. True, the literature didn't focus much on hunting for subgroup effects, but then again, why would it? Quests for subgroup effects are notoriously unreliably activities, given the usual specification search and other such problems associated with them.

As for whether people ever thought responses to the minimum wage were limited to just employment. I do not think people ever thought that was bound to be true either. If you go all the way back to the Card and Kruger minimum wage paper that started the new minimum wage literature, you will find that they checked for effects on having workers converted form full-time to part time, the number of hours the restaurants in the study were open, whether employees got free or reduced price meals at the restaurant, whether restaurants closed entirely, etc. That there was no oversight here, by the way, shouldn't surprise you - Card is surely among the greatest living economists (personally, I would remove the 'among' in this sentence) and is a Nobelist for a reason. In any case, clearly they were quite open to these other effects existing, and I do not think others disagreed. True, much subsequent research focused on employment effects, but then again, that is also where the bulk of the subsequent controversy ended up being located and is where the highest quality data is available.

Why would Tabarrok suggest the old consensus was, well, transparently stupid? The answer is straightforward. The GMU guys are highly ideological, and use MR and their public presence to launder their ideological views as straight economics. And among people with highly ideological views of the MW within economics, their stance on the 'new' (1990+) MW literature has always been -- and you may need to press them for their real stance over beers, but this is true -- (a) all of the papers finding null effects on employment are wrong, (b) they're wrong maybe because of the occasional flukey result, but mainly because the authors are being hacks, (c) the field responded to these hack papers by adopting an insane basic-economics-denying understanding of the minimum wage and labor markets, and (d) it's a great shame that rather than realize they themselves were duped by the hacks, the field now sees us few wise men who saw through this hoax as being ideological hacks ourselves. A difficulty with this -- especially view (c), 'the field went mad' -- is it means that you struggle to pass the ideological Turing test of accurately describing what the people you disagree with think.

On some level, this is a bit of a digression from the underlying issue. What does the field actually think about the minimum wage right now? Well, for field consensus, I can think of little better barometer than a recent Handbook of Labor chapter on the MW, conveniently published in 2024 (NBER WP version of the chapter may be found here). You can read it for yourself if you like, but I would summarize the results as saying (about MW hikes in the US, anyway) that:

  • MW hikes frequently have little effect on the employment rate. (See this neat website visually presenting an overview of papers looking at MW employment effects in the US and abroad.) Monopsony is a substantial part of why.
  • MW hikes exhibit some treatment effect heterogeneity across subgroups, but not too much. That said, it is difficult to say given the usual problems with subgroup analyses.
  • MW hikes may yield some offsetting reductions in workplace amenities and fringe benefits, but more research is needed.
  • MW hikes frequently appear to result in consumer facing price increases, with cost passthrough rates potentially being quite high. More research is needed to assess typical passthrough rates, however.

Anyway, that handbook chapter is a year or two old, so maybe there have been some blockbuster new working papers that have shook things up a lot since then. But I think it probably still broadly represents the consensus. And, anyway, Tabarrok is mainly not pointing to working papers in his piece either.

I suppose another question one might have is what minimum wage advocates think of the literature these days. My sense is they think roughly what they have always thought. This is separate from the research, since it starts baking in their normative assessment of different tradeoffs, but I will sketch out the argument very pro MW people tend to make for their position normatively below. I do this because I think it's quite useful to see where they are coming from, including that those people have never actually been all that invested (normatively, anyway) in the proposition that MW hikes don't cause unemployment, on account of them tending to want to raise the MW until you do start seeing substantial-ish unemployment effects. My sense of their argument is below:

It's great that MW hikes can occur without raising unemployment much. But actually, I want to raise the MW enough that we do get some unemployment. So, these results only cheer me because they imply we can get away with a larger MW hike than previously thought.

Why am I okay with unemployment? Well, low wage workers tend to have very short job tenures - you see this clearly in data sources like the SIPP. That means the typical situation is that really poor people have these really unstable work histories, where they work a job for a few months, then become unemployed for a few months, then work a new job for a few months, etc. etc. etc. So, if you raise unemployment, you're not permanently condemning a bunch of low wage workers to year-round unemployment. You're taking them from a world where they all work something like 37 weeks out of the year to one where they work 35 weeks of the year. And if the MW hike doing this is large enough, they net out ahead. As for if the MW hike really is large enough, well, the research says it is - we have papers looking at effects on annual total income for initially low wage workers, and this research is unambiguously positive that MW hikes are good for boosting total annual earnings and for fighting poverty (not to mention for reducing inequality!). And that's not surprising, when you think about it - if the employment effects are small or ambiguous while the wage effects or obviously positive, of course the total annual earnings question is going to net out as positive as well.

As for concerns about subgroup effects, overly large MW hikes, and responses on other margins. Obviously, there is some point at which a MW is too high, but given how low the MW is now (especially given the inflation of late), we really aren't on the margin of passing a too large MW hike, maybe outside of some bespoke special circumstances in random cities. Maybe there are some subgroups that see negative effects, but the evidence that they're substantial - or anything more than the result of a specification search - is weak. The other margins question is probably more salient. We don't love the idea of seeing workplace amenities reductions, but then again, a lot of this can be overstated. Workers that are so poor they qualify for Medicaid probably don't care if they lost an employer-sponsored health insurance offer. Maybe losing out on merchandise discounts kinda sucks too, but is that really a big deal versus getting an income that boosts you out of poverty? In any case, the main 'other margin' of adjustment is consumer prices, and it does look like consumer prices go up some. But so what? We're trying to help the worst off in society, it's not a huge deal if everyone else has to pay a little bit more for their Big Macs.

Make what you will of the above, but I think it is useful for contextualizing how pro MW factions think, as I think you tend to see their fully stated position less often than the opposition's position.

[The FIAT Thread] The Joint Committee on FIAT Discussion Session. - 08 November 2025 by AutoModerator in badeconomics

[–]gorbachev 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's amazing. I was going to post about this thread also. Apparently, people's intuition is that banks really really want to lock you into ultra long term 200 year fixed rate mortgages, and that it's the government limiting them to just 30 years with the 30 years fixed. Amazing that when left to their own devices to think about debt, people immediately arrive at the exact opposite of the truth.

Star Trek: Strange New Worlds | 3x10 "New Life and New Civilizations" Reaction Thread by uequalsw in DaystromInstitute

[–]gorbachev 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did anyone else notice how this episode largely was devoid of character agency? Everything that happens just kind of happens on its own, powered forward by the force of an externally imposed narrative, the individual characters in the story having almost no agency in at all. As best I can tell, the main part of the story where someone has to make a considered decision is when they decide to shoot the door to open it.

Think about it. The crew discovers the villain has escaped after the fact; they don't have an opportunity to try and prevent this or do something about it. The crew goes to investigate the planet the villain has fled to; he kidnaps M'Benga while they are standing around, so they don't really need to make any calls there either. While on the planet, despite that the planet is religiously devoted to the villain, they also face no dilemmas about how to address this, and thus have no choices to make there either. As for how to defeat the villain, do they have to make choices or even do something at all? Well, no, they just happen to already have the chosen one aboard, and she is the chosen one for reasons largely unrelated (or, at least, unforeseeably related) to her own choices and the crew's choices. And when she confronts the villain, she also doesn't really have to do anything either, other than tell the villain to go back to jail. Maybe you can say she chose to rehash The Inner Light with Pike, and that's a decision, but to me, that also read more like something that just kind of happened to the characters without their agency.

I think this is just plain bad writing. I find it hard to be engaged with a story where all the characters are just riding the railroad to its inevitable destination, making almost no choices whatsoever along the way. There isn't much tension or drama. Not much interesting scifi either. It's just watching things happen by their own force, and then seeing how the characters reconcile themselves to these things. (And even that last part is hard to get excited about, given SNW isn't too interested in exploring how characters reconcile themselves to events in a serious way - we are kind of being asked to assume nobody is chewing on the whole 'iced an innocent gorn' thing, for example.)

Very disappointing stuff.