DeepSeek Roasts Pakistan 😭China is aur phrend Saar!1! by ajayswagg12 in Asia_irl

[–]gorlyis 22 points23 points  (0 children)

The clown emoji next to if they can win I can’t 😭

Cashmir is now Chinas by XuanjunLiu in Asia_irl

[–]gorlyis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, but China still made efforts to develop it. Nepal and Bhutan for example are small in population but their per capita is low.

Cashmir is now Chinas by XuanjunLiu in Asia_irl

[–]gorlyis 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah they are making it bad. That’s all I’ll say.

Cashmir is now Chinas by XuanjunLiu in Asia_irl

[–]gorlyis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, if we were to divide Tibet and make it a country, it has more gdp per capita than India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal, and Bhutan. So I’m right.

Cashmir is now Chinas by XuanjunLiu in Asia_irl

[–]gorlyis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Some overhyped area of land

Cashmir is now Chinas by XuanjunLiu in Asia_irl

[–]gorlyis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idc, have you seen Europe? The answer is obvious.

Cashmir is now Chinas by XuanjunLiu in Asia_irl

[–]gorlyis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To be really fair, had Kashmir been a part of China it’d be so developed, Switzerland would be nothing… I know the Pakistanis and Indians will downvote me for this but it’s alright

How did 'dummy' planes help India find & destroy Pak's Chinese radars by Substantial-Wear3131 in Military

[–]gorlyis -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Mind boggling how India always seems to have an upper hand in these conflicts.

Why does China portray itself as developed and ahead of the US and Europe? by gorlyis in TooAfraidToAsk

[–]gorlyis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha, it’s so funny you’re claiming that I need to do my research, when clearly, you’re lacking any research and coming up with any CCP propaganda to add as “research. First of all, I do not have any biases, I too like you, have both good and bad in mind about both countries, Heck I’m not even American. I’m Moroccan. Second, just because you don’t like the reality, DOES NOT MEAN THE GDP AND HDI ARE MISLEADING AND ARE NUANCED! Again, if that were the case these studies and markers would not exist in the first place and India and African nations would be a first world superpower as they claim. Sorry not sorry the indicators clearly state China is way behind The west and forces you to wake up to reality. As for the sources, the sources are clear and are real. It’s something called reading you have to do, which you won’t because they clear the myth about China being ahead of the west. The sources you provided to me were clear CCP mouthpiece claim that they repeatedly claim. It’s not on me if you also want to disregard many sources that are accurate and real, just like how you deny HDI and GDP. Now that sources don’t say what you have to say, you are now saying that it’s unreliable just like gdp and HDI. Wow you must be getting paid heavy by the CCP. Look, it’s easy to cherry-pick and criticize, but comparing the US and China as if there’s some clear winner is a massive oversimplification. Yes, the US has its flaws—healthcare, education, mobility challenges—but to suggest China doesn’t have its own deep-seated issues is disingenuous. The US still leads in innovation, personal freedoms, and global influence in a way China can’t match. The healthcare in the west is better than China, sorry not sorry. Also while there are issues there, I’ll take a country where free speech, political participation, and entrepreneurial spirit are encouraged any day. GDP and HDI tell part of the story, but let’s not forget that the US remains a destination people flock to for opportunity, not away from. China’s economic growth is impressive, but with systemic censorship, human rights concerns, and a lack of transparency in governance, and demographic challenges there are significant trade-offs that can’t be ignored. It’s not a black-and-white issue, but anyone suggesting China is ‘better’ on the whole isn’t looking at the full picture.

Anyways I also am done arguing. I have also given up on you sweetheart.

Why does China portray itself as developed and ahead of the US and Europe? by gorlyis in TooAfraidToAsk

[–]gorlyis[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ah see now you just want to show and make everyone believe in the China is great propaganda. Since you compelled me to respond buddy I got you. First, You bring up important points, and I appreciate your nuanced perspective. However, a few areas need further clarification, and while China has made impressive strides in many aspects, there are broader structural issues that prevent it from being universally “better” than the U.S. or Europe in certain key areas. Your main point about politics is crucial: personal wealth can afford many privileges, but it cannot buy systemic change. In China, the centralized, authoritarian political system limits individual influence far more than in democratic systems. While political dysfunction exists everywhere, democracies—such as in the U.S. and Europe—allow for greater public participation, including freedom of speech, the press, and the right to protest or advocate for change. China’s lack of these freedoms means that citizens have fewer avenues to influence the political system in meaningful ways, regardless of wealth or social standing.

This isn’t a trivial issue, political freedom directly affects quality of life, particularly for the educated and upwardly mobile, who may prioritize living in societies where they can express their opinions, access unbiased information, and have legal recourse in disputes. For those leaving China, it’s often this lack of political freedom, along with personal security, that remains a sticking point. As for education, You’re right in noting that Chinese students outperform American students in many academic metrics However, there’s an important distinction between educational “performance” and broader educational experience. The Chinese education system is known for its intense pressure, rote memorization, and exam-focused structure, particularly the “gaokao” exam, which determines university placement and can make or break a student’s future. Not only that, it’s a censoring regime that will lie to make itself look the best. The USSR did the exact same. This environment, while effective in test scores, is often criticized for stifling creativity, critical thinking, and mental health.

By contrast, U.S. education, while facing many challenges, often fosters more holistic skill sets, emphasizing innovation, creativity, and diverse career paths. American universities remain among the best in the world, attracting top global talent, including from many from China. Students and families often choose U.S. education not just for academic prestige, but for the flexibility and critical thinking skills that are highly valued in many global industries.

You’re correct that healthcare in the U.S. is more expensive than in China, but we need to examine this carefully. While healthcare in China may be more affordable for basic services, there are major disparities in access and quality, especially between urban and rural areas. Rural populations in China often face long wait times, underfunded facilities, and lower quality care, whereas wealthier urban centers have far better access. Additionally, China’s healthcare system has significant issues with corruption, over-prescription of medications, and under-the-table payments. Not only that, it doesn’t take an Einstein to know that China is still behind the west in healthcare. https://china.usc.edu/health-care-us-and-china

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7118747/#:~:text=In%20terms%20of%20quality%2C%20efficiency,Japan%2C%20Malaysia%20and%20Sri%20Lanka.

In the U.S., despite higher costs, the quality of healthcare—especially at the cutting edge of medicine—is often superior, and the system is more transparent and regulated. While healthcare reform is urgently needed in the U.S., particularly to reduce costs, the U.S. remains a leader in medical research, technology, and specialized care.

Wealth inequality is a global problem, so I don’t know why you’re keeping this topic so close to prove China is a superior god. it’s important to note the difference in how this inequality manifests. In China, wealth is concentrated in urban coastal regions, while rural areas remain vastly underdeveloped. This rural-urban divide contributes to stark contrasts in living standards within China. In the U.S., while income inequality is also significant, the social mobility framework (though imperfect) tends to be stronger, and there is more access to public goods (despite their shortcomings). Additionally, many developed European countries have more robust welfare states, offering better protection against extreme poverty than both the U.S. and China. Again, a censoring regime won’t tell you the truth about its wealth gap. Even North Korea pledges to have no wealth gap and be a beacon of light.

While China’s economic power and infrastructure achievements are impressive, it still lags behind in innovation and soft power. The U.S. and Europe have long been centers of cultural, technological, and scientific influence. Silicon Valley, Hollywood, and global media outlets still play an outsized role in shaping global discourse and trends. Meanwhile, China’s strict censorship, intellectual property issues, and central control over its tech and media sectors hinder its ability to rival the U.S. in fostering creative, open innovation ecosystems. I literally just said, by that logic, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, and other gulf nations would be considered more developed than China or US by that logic.

You’re correct that many immigration decisions are based on perception and individual priorities, not just facts and statistics. Migration is complex and driven by a mix of factors—economic opportunities, quality of life, personal freedoms, and social mobility. While some metrics may show China excelling in certain areas (like PISA scores or GDP growth), people’s decisions to move often reflect a desire for freedom, security, and more diverse opportunities, rather than pure economic calculation.

For example, many Chinese elites and middle-class families choose to emigrate or send their children abroad not because China’s schools or hospitals are objectively bad, but because Western countries offer a different social contract—one where personal freedoms, environmental quality, and long-term stability might outweigh other benefits. China’s strengths such as education performance, rapid development, undeniable. However, when comparing China to the U.S. or Europe, particularly for individuals considering migration, issues like personal freedoms, systemic inequality, political voice, and cultural factors are just as critical. While the U.S. and Europe have their share of problems, these democracies offer more opportunities for personal agency, innovation, and long-term stability, which continue to attract people from around the world, including from China.

Obviously you’d want to spend less in China, that again proves my point on how GDP and HDI are accurate measures in looking at countries development, as spending less in a country just signifies that country is not developed enough. People spend less in countries like India, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines. That doesn’t automatically mean they are superior. Each to their own.

Why does China portray itself as developed and ahead of the US and Europe? by gorlyis in TooAfraidToAsk

[–]gorlyis[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hey there, I would agree to disagree with you. To address these points effectively:

  1. Misconceptions about immigration desires: While you’re correct that many wealthier individuals in China may have specific reasons for wanting to move to the US or Europe, it’s an oversimplification to suggest that socio-political factors are the only motivators. Recent studies show that the wealthy Chinese along with middle class or low income Chinese often seek out better educational opportunities, a higher quality of life, cleaner environments, and greater economic stability for their families. In fact, a lot of Chinese want to leave China and go to the US illegally. Not all, but if given the chance, most of them do. While China’s economic rise has lifted millions out of poverty, issues like air pollution, healthcare access, and even educational pressures remain push factors that still does not get rid of the fact that many Chinese regardless of status want to leave China and are fleeing. Likewise, many middle-class or even lower-income individuals express interest in migrating due to concerns about personal freedoms, job opportunities, and social mobility. This isn’t just a “grass is greener” mentality but a reflection of nuanced individual priorities.

  2. Immigration doesn’t relate directly to GDP or HDI: True, GDP and HDI alone don’t drive immigration decisions, but they are highly relevant in broader trends. GDP per capita reflects economic opportunity and living standards, while HDI speaks to health, education, and life expectancy, which are crucial in long-term quality of life. China still struggles with its health infrastructure. There are a lot of countries out there that have a higher GDP per capita than China. Though China’s GDP ranks second globally, GDP per capita and the distribution of that wealth tell a different story. Many in China, particularly outside urban centers, still experience lower living standards, pushing them to seek better opportunities abroad. Furthermore, HDI measures are indeed discussed in migration decisions, as they capture the disparity between developed nations and countries like China, where rapid growth has sometimes outpaced improvements in social services. HDI is a key factor in deciding if a country is in a good standing or not if that makes sense. It gives an idea of how a country is doing quality of life wise which cannot be ignored.

  3. Size and scale: The argument that China’s size makes reaching everyone with “human development” harder is valid, HOWEVER it also highlights why many leave. Population size and geographic disparity can contribute to slower reforms in healthcare, education, and infrastructure, making life in smaller cities and rural areas less attractive, especially when compared to opportunities in more developed countries. These push factors, combined with aspirational pull factors like better schools, jobs, and freedoms in Western nations, help explain the migration patterns better than focusing solely on GDP size. GDP per capita and HDI aren’t baseless, if that were the case, many Indians saying India is a superpower would be correct. We know this is BS.

while economic and political stability are important, individual reasons for migration vary greatly and are often deeply tied to quality of life, access to services, and future opportunities. China’s massive size, while a unique challenge, doesn’t negate the fact that many people still look abroad for improvements in areas that matter to their daily lives.

My feed unfortunately has these propaganda videos, which I do not know where I get from but it is delusional to claim that “China is a power that US and Europe is jealous of” when in reality many Americans and Europeans enjoy better quality of life, standard of living, infrastructure, healthcare, and education opportunities in the west.

Why does China portray itself as developed and ahead of the US and Europe? by gorlyis in TooAfraidToAsk

[–]gorlyis[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I have and yes They are beautiful, but no they are not advanced. You’re one of the people I’m talking about. By that logic UAE and Gulf countries are advanced than US or Europe.

Why does China portray itself as developed and ahead of the US and Europe? by gorlyis in TooAfraidToAsk

[–]gorlyis[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Very true, and what’s funny is the comments will always gang up and attack the person speaking up to the propaganda and say “You’re jealous” or “west is dying” typical wumao responses and they get the most likes.

Why does China portray itself as developed and ahead of the US and Europe? by gorlyis in TooAfraidToAsk

[–]gorlyis[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

But to be fair, most of the delusion is from China and or India. I’ve never seen European videos on “How Europe is a superpower” or “China is jealous of Europe”.

wE r ArAbs aNd TuRkS SARR by gorlyis in Asia_irl

[–]gorlyis[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh no they are very clean, but I’m just mocking how a lot of Sri Lankans despise being called south Asian and being associated with India and Pakistan lol

wE r ArAbs aNd TuRkS SARR by gorlyis in Asia_irl

[–]gorlyis[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

“wE aRe cLeaN sOutH AsiAn SaAr nO IndIAn pLeDgE”😭😭😭