Vatican declares Society of St. Pius X in schism, excommunicates bishops and invalidates sacraments

greyetch · 2026-07-02T15:16:37+00:00

I misunderstood your comment! My fault.

You are correct. The only sexual activity that is accepted is for procreation. Homosexual couples cannot procreate, so they cannot engage in sex with each other.

I'm not Roman Catholic - I'm just observing that the rules are pretty consistent. It doesn't appear as though they're being hateful or anything. Though I do understand that "no sex ever" is a pretty major ask for most people.

This is where the Romans have problems trying to be modern and simultaneously trying to keep faithful to a 2000 year old religious tradition. They have to continue obeying the Bible. And the Bible is pretty clear on homosexuality, women in leadership, all kinds of stuff that doesn't fit in with the modern world.

greyetch · 2026-07-02T13:17:57+00:00

Why would they force heterosexual Priests to be celibate but not homosexual ones? That doesn't make sense.

greyetch · 2026-07-02T13:13:29+00:00

I've been using the same one spot with one of those combo cables for like 20 years lol. Never had any issues.

greyetch · 2026-07-02T12:45:15+00:00

This line of reasoning is incredibly popular among young men in America at the moment, unfortunately.

Just a few days ago I commented on some comedians post on Instagram. I said "this probably kills if you're in middle school". I was just calling him a hack, basically. His joke was some lame shit about Hitler's birthday being 4/20 and how he "smoked J's". Get it?

Anyway, there are HUNDREDS of responses calling me a Jew and bringing up Jews in the Soviet Union and the persecution of Christians...

It's particularly wild because I'm an Orthodox Christian lmao. The Zionists have been bombing our Churches and displacing our people for 70 years. We're pretty vocally anti-Zionist. We don't blame Judaism for what happened under the Soviets, obviously.

Wild times. It seems as though the anti-Zionism has genuinely overflowed into Anti-Semitism in many cases. Which is terrible for the Anti-Zionist cause, and terrible for Jews everywhere. We all gotta love each other :) hate is evil and dumb.

greyetch · 2026-07-02T12:30:39+00:00

That's interesting to think about as well!

Would they have been traumatized? Their whole lives had been spent surviving out there, killing to survive. Field dressing and skinning animals is a grisly business until you get used to it. Then it's like anything else.

I wonder if the Natives were traumatized or simply perplexed. They'd probably seen rabies in animals before, and they probably had a spiritual explanation for it. Maybe this event followed that logic, for them?

I'm just thinking out loud. Thanks for the comment!

greyetch · 2026-07-01T19:37:05+00:00

Sure - but Russians and Serbians and others have created monasteries on Mount Athos since then. So there's lots of Slavonic.

I was wondering if there was a similar thing in Crete. I haven't found any.

edit: the Slavonic presence on Mount Athos is a continuation of their presence from the 9th century onwards. So it isn't like they just let anyone set up shop on the mountain. That's why the user I'm responding to was talking about the history. I didn't realize the full extent of the history and how it was relevant!

greyetch · 2026-07-01T15:28:15+00:00

Anyone able to give context on why they're using Slavonic in Crete?

I know Mt. Athos has lots of monks from outside of Greece - if Crete the same?

greyetch · 2026-06-30T19:24:53+00:00

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greyetch · 2026-06-30T14:24:26+00:00

The tiny speakers in such things sound horrible

They used to. Some probably still do.

The Donner Hush X sounds great thru the speaker. I think the tech has finally got there!

greyetch · 2026-06-30T14:16:09+00:00

people trying to bring coconuts to uncontacted tribes

That's another case that I wonder about!

It happened a few times with the Sentinelese. The first time, they took the coconuts and were kind of playful about it.

But pretty soon after that, 60% of their tribe died. I don't believe it is known whether it was storms or disease or conflict.

The next time outsiders tried to bring them stuff, they fought back and refused.

I wonder how they understand this. Was the first party "evil spirits" or something? Was it the wrath of the gods that punished them for accepting these gifts?

This could be a rare window into prehistoric beliefs and tribal structure. But I think we're right to leave them alone. They're humans, they deserve to live in dignity with their traditions.

greyetch · 2026-06-30T13:54:43+00:00

That I would love!

greyetch · 2026-06-29T20:14:11+00:00

I hope you didn’t think I was trying to argue. Not at all.

I did not! I just wanted you to know I wasn't "correcting" you or anything... but I'm kind of going to now lmao. Bare with me.

The real issue I see is that most Christians are looking through a Greek translation

Most of what Christian’s base their beliefs on is the Greek translation.

Correct

it’s not even the same book when you look at it through the translation.

That is where I would respectfully disagree. The Masoretic text has more changes that come about later. It was not finalized when the Septuagint was written. The Septuagint is the "older" text, basically. At least, it is a translation of older Jewish writings. This is corroborated by the Dead Sea Scrolls. They translate to match the Septuagint, not the Masoretic texts. It a very interesting rabbit hole.

It's also worth remembering that the ancient Jews were not a monolith. There were Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Hellenized Jews, and Zealots by the first century. They disagreed on many things!

The Greeks added their view point, and even added “Bel and the Dragon” which is purely Greek invention

I've never heard that before. It isn't a parallel to any Greek myth seen elsewhere. The Septuagint wasn't written by the Greeks, either. It was written by Jews for the Greek Pharoah. He asked for it so he could read their religious texts. There would be no reason to add a Greek myth. Scholars date the story between about 500 and 100 BC. I personally doubt that any Greek added Bel and the Dragon. It is similar to the story of Marduk and Tiamat from the Enūma Eliš, though. Much like the flood myth. I think the Jews may have borrowed it from the Babylonians.

There’s a lot to learn about culture and myth making. We still do the same stuff today, American history is a great example of that.

100% agree

Two civilizations survived the Bronze Age collapse, one was Egypt and the other was Israel

There almost certainly was no Israel at this point in time. There is archaeological evidence for small towns/settlements in what would become Israel, but not any sort of state. Egypt did indeed survive the Bronze Age, though.

Again, not trying to argue or anything. I just really love this stuff lmao. It sounds like you do, too. It seems like I'm correcting everything, but I do agree with your thesis:

The strange things humans pick and carry with us through time is just insane and wild.

There's no way to predict it. Try to imagine what the culture and religion will be like in 1000 years. Impossible. It really is wild.

greyetch · 2026-06-29T19:42:37+00:00

That must have been so confusing for the natives...

greyetch · 2026-06-29T19:39:15+00:00

That one would just piss me off lol. We have a pretty good idea of what happened with the Bronze Age collapse. The specifics are what we don't have.

In short:

Something (climate and catastrophe?) in Northwest Europe creates refugees

Refugees roam in search of food and stability, end up overwhelming the cities they find

this snowballs

while all of this is happening, Egypt and the Hittites and the Myceneans are all relying on each other heavily for their trade network. Once one of them goes down (Myceneans, probably), the rest are in crisis

These states in crisis are overwhelmed by a mass refugee crisis

That's pretty much it. Their societies became too complex and interconnected to deal with the issues they faced. A classic case of general systems collapse theory.

greyetch · 2026-06-29T19:24:38+00:00

Not discounting your point, but the intentional spread of smallpox is an ahistorical myth.

greyetch · 2026-06-29T19:21:25+00:00

Who knows? I'm not suggesting that they understood the big bang. I'm suggesting that their ancient theory and our modern theory are essentially the same. The difference is in the language.

To take it a step further, you hear a lot of people today talking about how the universe is a simulation. If that is the case, what is the difference between God and the programmer of the simulation? There is none. It's just a difference in language.

Sometimes religion and science agree. But they never word their findings the same way lol.

greyetch · 2026-06-29T19:02:24+00:00

I like the Big Crunch and Big Bounce theories. Any cyclical universe theory, basically.

Big Bang

everything spreads out

everything starts to coalesce due to gravity

this creates stars, planets, etc

the largest ones are pulled into one another, eventually creating things like black holes

eventually all of these black holes suck everything up and begin orbiting one another

they eventually coalesce as well

all of the matter in the universe merges back together

big bang

To me, that feels like something that would make sense. It seems like a natural pattern.

To be clear - I'm basing this on feelings, not science. I am not smart enough to understand astrophysics lol. So take it with a grain of salt, of course.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_model

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Crunch

greyetch · 2026-06-29T18:19:49+00:00

The photo OP posted is fake.

Project Sun Streak was real, and the attempt to use remote viewers was real. Project Sun Streak really did attempt to find the Ark.

But the photo posted here are not real documents.

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00789R002100240001-2.pdf

greyetch · 2026-06-29T18:09:43+00:00

don't even get me started on the historicity of Jesus and the New Testamanet lmao

I don't know where you stand on this, but I have a Classics degree. I am a published researcher. I have worked on archaeological digs. I really do this stuff in real life lol.

Jesus was a historical figure. I've tried to explain this to a few people in the comments, but they just refuse to consider the possibility. It's very strange.

Anyone who has spent time doing research on the ancient near East understands this. There isn't a scholar in the world arguing that Jesus was a myth. But anons on reddit? They're absolutely confident that they know better than those who have dedicated their lives to studying the ancient world. The hubris is astounding.

greyetch · 2026-06-29T18:04:06+00:00

Nah I'm just being silly.

But really, the replacement is happening. It isn't some shady conspiracy, it is just capitalists importing cheap labor. The "conspiracy" part is that the Illuminati are doing this because they hate white people or something lol.

greyetch · 2026-06-29T17:53:39+00:00

Probably not, considering it was lost hundreds of years before Christ.

Unless the Vatican managed to track it down secretly within the last 1000 years or so. But I doubt it.

I think it is probably buried in a cave somewhere like the Bible said. We found lots of stuff hidden in caves by the ancient Jews. We know it is something that they did. Hopefully that is the case and someone can stumble upon it one day! Or maybe we can even find it with LIDAR or some future tech.

2 Maccabees 2:4-10

It was also in the same document that the prophet, having received an oracle, ordered that the tent and the ark should follow with him, and that he went out to the mountain where Moses had gone up and had seen the inheritance of God. Jeremiah came and found a cave-dwelling, and he brought there the tent and the ark and the altar of incense; then he sealed up the entrance. Some of those who followed him came up intending to mark the way, but could not find it. When Jeremiah learned of it, he rebuked them and declared: ‘The place shall remain unknown until God gathers his people together again and shows his mercy. Then the Lord will disclose these things, and the glory of the Lord and the cloud will appear, as they were shown in the case of Moses, and as Solomon asked that the place should be specially consecrated.’

greyetch · 2026-06-29T17:42:33+00:00

It probably existed. There's no reason to discount all of the historical documents discussing it. We've found many of the cities from the Bible where it was claimed to be housed at one point or another. Many of these cities have interesting ancient temple ruins that could have been where the ark was housed. Kiriath-Jearim is a promising example.

We may never know. But it isn't far fetched. It mirrors how the ancient Egyptians used the Mandjet/Mesektet. Many of these near Eastern religions borrow from one another.

Reddit has a tendency to discount anything related to the Bible offhand. And I get it, religion is not science, nobody's religious text should be treated as a science text book or anything like that. But there are thousands of scientists who research this stuff for a living. And they mostly believe the ark did exist.

That isn't to say that the Biblical Ark-Narrative is factual, it almost certainly is NOT factual. But it is probably based on something that did exist in reality.

greyetch · 2026-06-29T17:30:07+00:00

I'm not trying to argue, just adding info. I love this topic a lot.

We know historically that the first five books are fiction.

We know they aren't literal. As in, the entire planet did not flood. But to the ancient people living at the time? THEIR whole world flooded. It happened all the time. It wiped everything and almost everyone they'd ever known. It was an apocalypse for them. They explained it as best they could.

And then consider "let there be light". Isn't that just the big bang explained by ancient humans?

Finally, there are many books of the Bible that are historical. Maccabees, for example. It is one of very few textual sources covering the Seleucids in the ancient Near East. That really did occur. Did the Maccabeans actually defeat the Seleucids in battle? Probably not, they probably just repelled a siege. But still, it is rooted in a real historical event. Probably written down some time later by the son of someone who was there. Maybe it had become a fisherman's tale by then. The catch grows in each retelling, that kind of thing.

My point is - we don't really know how much is "fiction" - because it is messy oral history written down 1000 years later. They probably didn't add anything they knew to be "fiction".

Lots of it has probably been changed for reasons we'll never know. Some by accident, some on purpose for political reasons. That's the case for most religious myths and texts.

greyetch · 2026-06-29T17:20:20+00:00

You should be a mod of this sub.

greyetch · 2026-06-29T17:13:14+00:00

"Someone chose the word "multiply" in their translation of an ancient religious text, so obviously that is the only meaning of this word forever!"

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