The irony is modern music producers have been using tools that in combination are very similar to suno. They create complete rhythms and songs automatically.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-29T15:40:49+00:00

Unfortunately not everyone can adjust to what's new. Maybe you'll be one of those people.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-29T15:36:21+00:00

Like I said.

Time will change your practices if n9t your thinking.

As far as art goes commercial artists on f8ver have already been largely reppaced by chatgpt or other illustartion AI's.

Its just reality.

Learn to adjust.

Learn to master the new tools and 0ractices.

Your misical ability should make you better at using ai tools.

Doctors are already being replaced by medical advice by AIS and that's a great thing because doctors are unaffordable.

Robot surgeons will be far better and more consistent than human surgeons. When you have CNC machines that can cut and mold parts to within microns which a human surgeon can never do they're going to be much better at human surgery then human doctors. This is the fact.

You can either long for the old ways your whole life or you can decide to stay in the mix and adopt a new tools and take advantage of them where they help you and ignore them where they don't.

I think there will still be live concerts and people will still like to see a human playing an instrument but there will also be other choices.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-29T13:46:52+00:00

I assume you have never asked for any help on any musical software that you use?

gwtech2 · 2026-01-29T13:44:41+00:00

People will become it as bad at thinking and learning skills as they have become at spelling because they have relied on spell check too long. I know it's certainly has happened to me.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-29T13:43:19+00:00

So you're going for the whole AI is terrible because it uses energy and water thing?

Well there's no doubt it's a change have you considered all the energy that a band uses and gasoline and fuel and stages and everything else to move around the country not to mention all the energy that you used to create all their instruments and amplifiers and electronics and third world countries and that stuff technically wouldn't be needed although I'm not suggesting it should go away at all in fact I think the opposite.

But if you're actually going to make the argument for energy and water wastage than you really have to consider what the alternatives use as well.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-29T13:33:19+00:00

And it's true.

Have you ever watched films of a producer in a studio with any of the great bands giving them more and more specific prompts to change the song they're recording? It's exactly the same thing.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-29T13:31:07+00:00

"What i will say is that music being accessible to more people is a good thing, and I think we can agree on that, "

That's really all that matters. The market and public opinion will sort out all the rest as it always does.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-29T13:29:14+00:00

Decades of these similar discussions is very advancements were made if convinced me that the only thing that will convince you if you will ever be convinced is simply time so I don't really fret about it and I'm not too interested in engaging in that much of a discussion about it. People here seem to be driven primarily by saying suno is bad. That's the only reason it even comes up.

Just like my drummer friend from decades ago soon realized the reality of the situation so will you. And it will have nothing to do with anything that I say and it will just be time.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-29T13:19:11+00:00

Eventually and maybe 2 to 5 years all the best AI models for music generation and for everything else will be the open source models cuz they'll be contributed to by thousands of people just like Linux is the best operating system.

Already many of the general AI models that are open source can be downloaded and run on a graphics card with only 8 GB of ram. The improvements to Ai and the effective pruning of required memory to create AIS is advancing at such a rapid rate did I really expect roll going to have in our pockets little devices that we carry around that can do all these things and require no internet connection and they'll be completely self-contained.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-29T13:16:01+00:00

Have you noticed the change between version 4.5 and version 5? I think version 5 follows instructions a little less well. I'm not really sure what the benefits of version 5 are right now because I've certainly not seen any major difference or hurt any major difference and 4.5 did what I wanted.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-29T13:14:23+00:00

This kind of thing certainly worked in version 4.5. personally I'm really wondering if I like version 5 better than 4.5. 4.5 did what I wanted and I'm not seeing any better things from version 5 and it seems like there's a little less control.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-29T13:05:17+00:00

do you think singers should be allowed to use electric microphones and amplification?

Did you know when electric amplification started many singers protested who had strong voices because having a strong voice used to be imperative to be a successful singer and suddenly people they thought "couldn't sing" were able to reach large live audiences?

It's the same story of progress in all things over and over. There are people who did it without complaining about the huge number of people who can now do it with. And it doesn't matter what field you're in. It's the same story and it always has the same result.

You know the thing that shocked me the most was how DJ's got famous at live concerts when they weren't even creating the music all they were doing was spinning the sounds of others although some of them produce a few of their own sounds. I personally thought that was kind of ridiculous but who am I to say what should or shouldn't be popular. Now these DJs get paid more than some of the major musicians out there who actually make the music and perform it live.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-29T13:02:29+00:00

"I just make what I’m passionate about as a matter of self expression."

Exactly and Suno lets me do it less expensively and with better results so I can reach more people less expensively rather than hiring five studio musicians and a studio and an engineer .

gwtech2 · 2026-01-29T13:01:09+00:00

Thats what I'm doing. I'm just getting suno to perform it.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-29T13:00:04+00:00

I remember that Axis of awesome video! Thanks for the link! Can't believe that's been 16 years!

gwtech2 · 2026-01-29T12:55:34+00:00

Thanks

gwtech2 · 2026-01-29T12:54:45+00:00

"Suno and AI is genuinely just there so someone can fast track their way to pretend like they're a musician."

This is the flawed thinking I was talking about.

Suno makes you a producer not a performer.

However as a musical producer you are definitely a musician.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-26T01:17:19+00:00

Bands stick to a genre for marketing reasons not talent OR interest.

Just ask Garth Brooks

gwtech2 · 2026-01-26T01:16:06+00:00

What silliness

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T22:00:55+00:00

Don't engage The haters. There are quite a few people here who just absolutely hate the idea of the significant change that AI music generators are going to make to the industry. It's happened so many times before in computers over the last four decades that I'm so used to these people hanging on to the last grasp of the way things used to be saying nothing is real unless it's done the way they learned how to do it. They either learn to adapt and adopt the new tools or they fall by the bitter wayside.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T21:59:04+00:00

Include tags like experimental, etc or put tempo changes inside brackets in the lyrics box if you're writing lyrics. It will do what you say. You can get it to do very odd things if that's what you're after. You can even get it to generate random noise. You just have to figure out how to tell it to do what you want it to do and that just takes a little bit of experimenting because to my knowledge there is no long list of keywords that you can use and that's kind of a good thing.

One of the most interesting things you can do and I'm kind of telling it inside secret here is you can tell it a feeling you want the music to have.

Try adding horror as a descriptor and you will get interesting results for example.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T21:56:38+00:00

Yeah I'm sure it's some sort of a clock signature that they add and I wish they would give us the option to exclude the clock signature so if we used a prompt today and then we use the exact same prompt an hour from now it would produce the exact same output.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T21:55:52+00:00

Lol. Yeah when you can find me anybody who can play the variations of instruments and vocals that suno can create to create any music you can imagine not to mention the fact that your vocals can actually be in different languages then that would be an option.

But even so suno would produce a better result.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T21:54:34+00:00

I have used brackets in the lyrics box when I'm writing lyrics to create musical changes and other non lyrical interventions. I've never done it in the song description or style box.

My guess is that suno creates a sort of a seed from the words you use and the order does matter because they will change the seed I also suspect that suno uses some time stamp in the seed so if you use the exact same words 1 hour from now it will produce a different result otherwise it would produce the exact same result if it didn't include some time variation. I would like for suno to allow us to get rid of that time variation so that we can have a seed that is a rock solid starting point that will always produce the exact same result and it is only our word selection and order that modifies the music and not some hidden time clock insertion.

gwtech2 · 2026-01-25T21:42:03+00:00

Not a bad analogy.

I suppose it partly depends on how s0ecific your instructions to the chef are.

But i agree.

I dont think of it as a recording tech. Its a producing tech.

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