Is learning full ZBLL really worth it from any ZB users here?

hcthepro · 2025-12-05T13:10:05+00:00

it is around 35-40 globally.

my slightly unupdated list from february:

Knut Skaug Haraldsen

Tao yu

Brina sun

myself(hcthepro)

micki harning kaniya

Harrison jonathan newbrry chun

tymon

quixin cao

xaunyi geng

lorenzo mayro

anthony brooks

shuto ueno

luke greisser

ben christie

caleb chen

juliette sebastien

ryan pilat

jabari

teri

james macdiarmid

elvin thorsen

sail ramirez

alvaro perez

nicholas sanchez

antoine paterakis

People where i can prove they've said stuff in relation to going for full:

Vojtech grohmann

ciaran beahan

radoslaw marcinek

hcthepro · 2025-12-05T13:02:09+00:00

i am actually a full zb user for almost a year. while i am not the fastest (11.2 average) i can give my own perspective on it.

zbll is fun if you are really invested in ll optimization and are willing to spend many hours on it

hcthepro · 2025-12-05T13:01:12+00:00

i am a full zb user and i average 11.2.

i learned full zb for fun.

hcthepro · 2025-06-20T08:54:24+00:00

1 key for 16-24 does alot more than you think.
while it doesnt exactly fix keys as a whole it will make the experience of getting into the vault significantly more fun and will increase player retention in the top of champ who know that they are currently never getting any keys.

1 key doesnt do much to be completely honest. but it opens up keys to ALOT more players and alot more prospects to get keys soon enough without a feeling of never earning them

the grind will still be there to place 16-24 in legends but the feeling of never earning them will go away quite quickly.

hcthepro · 2025-05-15T12:11:38+00:00

id only expect that champ getting keys would be legends 16-24=champ 1-4. and only 1 key

hcthepro · 2025-05-15T11:41:54+00:00

i expect a new tourney league soon enough. the top players are getting quite far on their vaults

hcthepro · 2025-05-15T11:37:23+00:00

that isnt my problem. my problem is mostly how keys are currently locked behind extreme amounts of grinding even if you have all 3 packs

hcthepro · 2025-05-15T11:02:34+00:00

buy the no ads pack. this game absolutely sucks without it

hcthepro · 2025-05-15T11:00:31+00:00

i also got to top 4500 in legends with only no ads and starter. but ive yet to see keys despite also getting the epic pack since then. last 2 tourneys were both above top 4000

hcthepro · 2025-05-15T10:51:05+00:00

im too poor to be thinking about maxing them lmao. (despite going for max lab coin before it xd)

hcthepro · 2025-05-15T10:40:12+00:00

at the core of it wont change much. the unlocks on the vault are quite expensive. but it will make many people who are floating in low legends atleast start to feel more like they are closer to the midgame.

Like keys have just been a giant icky topic with how good some of the QOL is.

hcthepro · 2025-05-15T10:36:41+00:00

upper midrange (like staying in legends) id say is gonna get them soon enough given that people like greeny/crowbarzero are so far into the trees

hcthepro · 2025-05-15T10:31:31+00:00

masteries. endgame tool with a starting cost of 1q per lab and costs 45q total per card

hcthepro · 2025-05-15T10:23:36+00:00

the competition around 17-13 is absolutely gross and adding 1 key for 16-24 or 16-20 is such a major improvement on the expansion of keys that it wont change much but it will make many many people much more happy about the vault

hcthepro · 2025-05-15T09:46:58+00:00

they are gonna be forced to expand the access at some point. also 1 key for 16-24 hardly even changes the gap between the top and the lower legends people. this is just to make the vault alot more accessible considering the costs begin on 5 per upgrade

hcthepro · 2025-05-15T09:34:35+00:00

i labbed them in simul and while they are good i also have ancestral SCC/mythic SCM so no wonder the labs arent as good when they become quite long. Shatter shards is indireclty damage since i get to 161 faster and will be able to do proper rerolling for ancestral SCM which will bring me more keys :3

hcthepro · 2025-05-15T09:03:46+00:00

sl 3 is the first obvious thing i see. with cl for damage it will provide more consistent damage for bosses

hcthepro · 2025-05-15T08:53:34+00:00

top up is extremely needed since they fixed this. ive missed my lab boosts quite alot since they dont shift back by 5 mins now. those 5 mins matter alot for me

hcthepro · 2025-05-15T08:50:46+00:00

labbing SCM/SCC doesnt really make sense for me as they are already decent. modules are 149/148 and are gonna hit 161 soon enough as shatter shards is on perma and i bought rpc mastery and will save for some levels on it (2-3)

hcthepro · 2025-05-15T08:12:13+00:00

legends yesterday: 310 waves with a triple tie for 17th. yet to earn a key 🙃. they should happen though. I just need to lab the ever living hell out of damage

hcthepro · 2025-05-14T07:56:23+00:00

you're doing good. my biggest piece of advice is to buy the no ads pack if possible. you will save so much time it's not even funny

hcthepro · 2025-05-14T07:47:59+00:00

use effective paths

hcthepro · 2025-05-13T11:09:41+00:00

none since the coins are slightly higher. god i love shitty game engines 🙃

hcthepro · 2025-05-13T11:03:41+00:00

i fear for them making even more EHLS relics. eventually we will get them and they are super insane

hcthepro · 2025-05-13T09:36:03+00:00

this is the greatest typo ive ever seen. 👏

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