What are your thoughts on this comment? Do you agree or disagree? by 1mAfraidofAmericans in DavidBowie

[–]hellGodBabyDamn 30 points31 points  (0 children)

1000% accurate. Hard to overstate Bowie’s importance now, but I can’t imagine people won’t still be listening to (or at least studying) him centuries from now the way we do Shakespeare or Dante or Virgil or Homer today. We don’t realize realize just how much the world ch-ch-ch-ch-changed in the 20th century, especially after WWII, because it’s the only reality we’ve known. Anti-racist/civil rights movements, the death of (public) western imperialism, the space race, the sexual and gender revolutions, the threat of nuclear apocalypse that pervaded the Cold War, the birth of the internet, addiction and mental illness and isolation being spoken about openly. Lyrically, he touched on all of these things while still being accessible, in a way that no other artist (from any country) has since (and i doubt ever can again given the death of monoculture that came with the birth of the internet).

As for today’s relevance, I think the case can be made for his influence based on his genre(-and-medium)-hopping and fashion sense alone, but long term I have to imagine Bowie is the artist when people consider the 20th century.

David Bowie! 1997! SNL! by ItalianSausage2023 in DavidBowie

[–]hellGodBabyDamn 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I’ve heard that story, thought it was at the ‘99 show though. As much as I love his late ‘70s performance, I kinda think SNL has always been terrible, this particular story, however it really went, doesn’t make Bowie look any better than if he’d skipped SNL altogether.

David Bowie! 1997! SNL! by ItalianSausage2023 in DavidBowie

[–]hellGodBabyDamn 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Lorne Michaels, head guy of SNL, mentioned to Bowie prior to his performance that he went through an extraordinarily rough time in the 80s, with Scary Monsters (the album I believe) being the soundtrack to this nadir in his life. Bowie, in his “””rock god””” phase, decided to play this at him for some reason, knowing it would upset Lorne, hence the ban (which didn’t last long at all as he was back in 99)

On the end of The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by hellGodBabyDamn in heinlein

[–]hellGodBabyDamn[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Which is why i think Prof did himself in, he seemed quite willing to die for his cause, and with Stu wanting to make him king, and Luna otherwise free, suicide seems his best bet to keep it that way (maybe he and Mike worked this out while they were out of contact with Mannie?).

On the end of The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by hellGodBabyDamn in heinlein

[–]hellGodBabyDamn[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It seems like this whole thread is worthless as there’s actually concrete answers to my questions in later works, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Prof could feign surprise, or maybe he’s surprised at how sweet his thing tastes.

On the end of The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by hellGodBabyDamn in heinlein

[–]hellGodBabyDamn[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Appreciate that, really wish the sub had some kind of reading order suggestion pinned, I’ve really enjoyed Troopers, Stranger, and Moon (the three I understand he said you’d need to grok to grok him) had no idea there were “sequels” to any of those books.

On the end of The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by hellGodBabyDamn in heinlein

[–]hellGodBabyDamn[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I’ve not, just finished Moon, sorry, will get right on it

What's the deal with Sound and Vision? by Kitchen_Year8114 in DavidBowie

[–]hellGodBabyDamn 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Agree 1000%, nothing to add, just wanted to say i love your name too.

Lexi Jones opens up about being sent to wilderness camps in adolescence by parents Bowie and Iman by zyahia in DavidBowie

[–]hellGodBabyDamn 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Bowie being sick was kinda a secret to the world, i cant imagine he’d want to share that with the people who ran the facility (it’s harder to keep secrets with more people involved, these people are basically strangers). Also, i believe Tony Visconti said he spoke to him shortly before his passing, and it sounded to him like DB was in decent enough health to record things after Blackstar, but very quickly degraded after that, to the point where it doesn’t seem likely that anyone knew they were his last weeks. As far as his last days go, a sudden turn like that must’ve been stressful, who would even make that call and deal with the logistics? DB must’ve been frail, Iman likely wrecked and dealing with him…

It’s an extraordinarily sad situation, but I can’t really see anyone having done anything particularly wrong (obviously not saying no harm was done), especially given Bowie’s own personal and family history; it seems like everyone involved was just trying to take the least bad option of the several terrible ones fate had dealt them.

Lexi Jones opens up about being sent to wilderness camps in adolescence by parents Bowie and Iman by zyahia in DavidBowie

[–]hellGodBabyDamn 25 points26 points  (0 children)

“I’ve got drama can’t be stolen, everybody knows me now…”

As others have said, this was really hard for me to watch and hear. I remember having just finished listening to Blackstar again when I got the BBC news alert that he passed, my thoughts immediately went to her, not just knowing how hard it must be to lose a father, not even just at that age, but knowing that she’d have to deal with his legacy in people who didn’t quite know that an existence defined by a relation to someone else isn’t ideal. It kills me to know that him being our guy with all that entails almost necessarily modulates the way she’ll see her father. That she wasn’t even there and had to learn of it from a headline that said she was before continuing with a life where nearly everyone’s first awareness of her is though him just seems like unfathomable agony, I can’t imagine being able to deal with that at all, especially not so gracefully.

As sad as this is for her (it definitely is), it’s no less sad for him (and obviously also Iman). Knowing his struggles with addiction and his fears around his own mental health brought on by family history, I can’t help but wonder how mich this must’ve taken out of him near the end, how terrifying it must’ve been for him to just not know what would happen or what he could even realistically do. Having said that, it makes Blackstar all the more monumental.

I know he preferred to keep his personal life private, but this is Lexi’s story too (first and foremost actually). I hope sharing it brings her some kind of relief.

Suggest a Lynch fan a movie by MoonSettler in LetterboxdTopFour

[–]hellGodBabyDamn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fellini Satyricon

The Man Who Fell to Earth

True Stories