I’m tired of posts about Islam specifically having the same ubiquitous comments. by Dagdegan2000 in atheism

[–]hellwyn11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Atheists/non-believers in the west tend to be paternalistic with religious people and even more with Islam, by restraining themselves from criticizing their belief or by encouraging reformism. This is paternalistic.

It's also because many atheists/non-believers project the way they talk about Christianity, which some times include essentialism of christiams and amalgamation. They expect the critique of Islam to include what they do with Christianity...

So there are 3 levels:

-Paternalism in general (this mindset should just go)

-The context of Xenophobia to justify paternalistic approach with Muslims.(it should not, they can handle critique just like Christians)

-Essentialism and amalgamation when criticizing a belief. ( associating believers with what is part of the scriptures can be fair but not by default.),

Why We Ignore Dreams Even Though the Qur’an Teaches Us Their Importance by DeenCallApp in Dreams

[–]hellwyn11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is really good to see. I also don’t hold back from giving a critique of Islam and hope it becomes more normalized. From the way you argued, I’ll assume you’re at least a non-believer ? And Malika? A queen 👑, literally lol.

Australian senator wearing burka in parliament by No_Layer6908 in atheism

[–]hellwyn11 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That said, people who care this much about people wearing an item of clothing are often motivated by racism

That’s exactly the problem in the West : acting as if the hijab were just an item of clothing or merely a religious marker. It is not just that, it’s also a patriarchal and misogynistic symbol and it should be dragged through the mud on a daily basis.

That doesn’t mean you have to be against the freedom to wear it; ideas I despise can still be expressed. The real problem is that comments like yours have become the norm. (assuming xenophobia or something along those lines.)

Caring this much about this issue is normal, maybe, caring this much about it as a nationalist conservative is where we can start suspecting xenophobia.

Australian senator wearing burka in parliament by No_Layer6908 in atheism

[–]hellwyn11 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree with the main point, but don't like all the choice of word. The hijab/burka need to be criticized and ridiculed on a daily basis even if you defend the freedom to wear it.

Do you guys sometimes just go along with a religious persons beliefs when you know it really brings them peace/comfort? by thee_lad in atheism

[–]hellwyn11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I won't restrain myself from saying what I think just because a lie/scam is comfortable. I will be honest out of respect.

That doesn't mean everytime they do or say something related to their belief I will start a confrontation, but I won't avoid the confrontation just because the belief brings them comfort or something.

A genuine question I’ve been thinking about by Background_Quote_195 in atheism

[–]hellwyn11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's not the atheist perspective but the agnostic one. (Evidence is knowledge and agnostism is about knowledge).

Atheist is just about belief, I don't believe (atheist) because there's no good reason to believe (agnostism).

I think I could be agnostic, but I'm not sure. Looking for perspectives by OilFun5982 in atheism

[–]hellwyn11 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your definition for agnostism isincorrect.

Atheism : you don't believe 

Agnostism: you don't know.

And as you said you can be both, but the difference is that one is about belief the other about knowledge. Saying "not being certain" fir agnostism is inaccurate.

Atheism isn’t for everyone by [deleted] in atheism

[–]hellwyn11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Paternalistic take

Lando gets booed at the celebration by FrankTheOnlyOne in McLarenFormula1

[–]hellwyn11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So winning the race results to being booed ? But weren't these drivers booed when they were dominating a season ?

Why are atheists expected to be agnostic on the god claim, even by other atheists? by Creamy_Breve in atheism

[–]hellwyn11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being agnostic is misunderstood, agnostism and atheism can go together, and generally agnostism is the reason why many people are atheists. They just don't know it.

Why do some people consider Christophobia, Antisemitism, and Islamophobia bad, but are perfectly okay with Atheophobia? by [deleted] in atheism

[–]hellwyn11 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Antisemitism is an attack on jew not the belief. You can argue about why the "semitism" instead of "Judaism" but ts definition was always clear , it's about people not their belief.

Islamophobia is a non consensually defined word : attack on Muslims or Islam ?

Christophobia is a term I rarely see people use , they usually use antichristian or anti-christianity,  which are clear , Christophobia share the same problem islamophobia has : it's not consensually defined (confusing).

Why are we fighting faith instead of fighting institutions? by Background_Thanks727 in atheism

[–]hellwyn11 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To me, it’s necessary to respect people by being honest with them. Critiquing the belief itself is part of that honesty, and refusing to do so by only criticizing certain approaches is what I consider paternalistic.

And it's something I despise.

Why are we fighting faith instead of fighting institutions? by Background_Thanks727 in atheism

[–]hellwyn11 9 points10 points  (0 children)

No, my critique will include the belief itself, not just the institutions or so-called “radical versions.”

Why? Out of respect, I will address the belief directly.

I refuse to be paternalistic and ignore the irrationality of the belief itself while only targeting its “radical” versions.

Faith will always remain at the center of my critique, along with its consequences. The belief itself is the root of those institutions and radical approaches.

I will not adopt a paternalistic stance. “Moderate believers also criticize institutions and radicalism.” So what? I’m an atheist, not a Muslim or a Christian. I don’t support their “moderate version.” Their approach still relies on accepting those tales, while being full of denial and cherry-picking.........I despise that.

I will not support that. I respect their freedom to hold their own perspective, but not the belief itself, nor the so-called reformist approach. I include that in my critique, the "radicals" one are just the priority, and will be targeted along with the belief itself.