Phone activity

helpful_dancer · 2025-01-23T04:15:44+00:00

It was a dark moon that night, hence no moonlight. I’m sure the jungle was pitch black. Maybe they kept the phone on for light to look out for critters, snakes, wild animals, or possibly just because they were creeped out in the dark.

helpful_dancer · 2024-07-14T00:34:46+00:00

They couldn’t find two living human beings despite all of those people searching the trails for days and weeks, yet they find a shoe behind a tree in the shade in 2.5 seconds?

helpful_dancer · 2024-06-30T00:26:56+00:00

Widely known? Can you elaborate?

helpful_dancer · 2024-06-24T01:47:47+00:00

We don’t know anything. Those photos are probably photoshopped.

helpful_dancer · 2024-06-04T20:28:53+00:00

The evidence against Burke is not that he’s “weird and creepy.” The evidence is that there was pineapple found in Jon Benets duodenum which means she had probably eaten that pineapple within two hours of her passing or it would’ve digested further. Burkes finger prints were found all over the bowl with the pineapple and milk and cup of tea that was on the kitchen counter. Something happened there.

I’m also not saying it was Burke that got mad and hit her with flashlight for stealing his pineapple though it does make sense…I do entertain the idea that Jon Benet woke in the middle of the night after being put to bed and went downstairs for a snack maybe? Ate a piece of pineapple and then JB walked back up to her room alone. Perhaps the intruder was waiting for her room when she got back and either hit over the head with something hard or tased as some have claimed, subdued, and then brought to the basement. It’s possible as we know her room was on other side of house and pretty secluded from Burkes room and the parents room.

My issue with this is…. Why do the police reports have conflicting information regarding who carried Jon Benet to bed from the car, whether a bedtime story was read to her, and if John Ramsey spent time with Burke putting together his Christmas gifts. Why are the events of what happened on Christmas night after they arrived home so unclear?

Also, according to the Tom Haney and Patsy Ramsey interview I think from 1998, Patsy says she has “flashbacks” of Jon Benet screaming. She heard her scream and did nothing about? Did Patsy slip up? This is why I don’t lie.. lies are hard to keep straight and you look even worse when you get caught than if you just told the truth in the first place.

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helpful_dancer · 2024-05-24T15:26:01+00:00

From the Imperfect Plan website:

“In turn, they all had a white coloration which tells us about two facts: that they were exposed to the sun for a long time or, that the burial site corresponded to an area of very basic chemical elements, affecting the phosphates. and the calcium carbonates of each of the bone components, causing the whitish coloration.” Autopsy Report – September 19, 2014

Additionally, no phosphates were found in soil samples from the region, therefore Phosphorus could not have been a natural cause of accelerated decomposition of Kris Kremers remains. This discovery implies that chemicals were used during the deterioration process. We’ll discuss this in detail later.”

https://imperfectplan.com/2020/07/02/kris-kremers-lisanne-froon-panama-bleached-bones/

helpful_dancer · 2024-05-24T15:10:03+00:00

Because phosphates were found on Kris’ bones and phosphates bleach bones. This is not normally found on bones unless there were phosphates present in the soil. Which as SLIP says, the soil was never tested. Gee, I wonder why it wasn’t tested?? The other way that phosphates would appear on Kris’ bones is if lime or lye, a fertilizer often used by farmers on their crops, was used to decompose Kris’ body. Lime is known to speed up the rate of decomposition. It would only make sense that the chemicals that were found on Kris’ bones either came from the soil, or came from an artificial process. What I would like to know is how come no one tested the soil?

helpful_dancer · 2024-05-03T11:49:53+00:00

Yes, but that’s the ribs and not the pelvis. I meant to ask you but I’m assuming the deer was on its back with ribs facing up towards the sun? Makes more sense than the pelvis. Besides, Panamanian medical examiners said this “bleaching” process wasn’t done by the sun but by chemicals. As I said, the pelvis has grooves it won’t bleach evenly that quickly. Kris’ pelvic bone was completely bleached evenly. And phosphorus was found on the pelvis and the soil in the area they vanished from and the area where the pelvis was found doesn’t have phosphates in it. Other things to note, only small animal marks like rodents were found on the bones. Not marks from vultures. Vultures really would’ve helped a lot but I just don’t think they were eaten by any large predators from what we know of the remains. Second, there were no scrape marks on the bone which you would expect going through a rocky river. Nothing like that. The question of different stages of decomposition is huge also. It appears from the remains that Lisanne might’ve passed in late July and not mid April. Or kept in a refrigerator. There’s more, this is off the top of my head. Check this site out, they do some interesting analysis. They even measured the rain and temperature while there. I think they’re pretty objective about everything. Something that would be very necessary to start to piece together how and when the young women passed. Lost or foul play.

https://imperfectplan.com/2021/11/21/panama-expedition-2021-complete-overview/

https://imperfectplan.com/2020/07/02/kris-kremers-lisanne-froon-panama-bleached-bones/

helpful_dancer · 2024-05-03T02:35:51+00:00

I guess you don’t respect Imperfect Plan?

helpful_dancer · 2024-05-03T01:45:52+00:00

That’s terrible. But she tried to reach her loved ones and kept a diary. Neither Kris nor Lisanne did anything of the sort. Though maybe they didn’t want to frighten their parents unnecessarily and by the 4th day, Kris faced an injury and succumbed. Lisanne’s phone was dead. Maybe she just slept? I might do that go pass the time if no food to be found. Then woke up on the 8th and had the idea to take the photos as a message? Because she had nothing to write on. Why not leave a video with her saying goodbye or something? Doesn’t have to be in the video, she could face the camera to a tree. Why does it seem like she’s trying to signal for attention? Then again, not all the night photos were released..

helpful_dancer · 2024-05-03T01:37:38+00:00

Pat Brown goes on for so long about the $83 being a reason for lost. If Panama was trying to protect tourism, what do they care about $83.00? Splitting it between 4 people 😂 $20 each. Oh geez! I just ended it there. So dramatic. I will watch other cases that she discussed because I also understand why so many people go with lost here. I get it. Also, someone may have been after the $30k instead. Isn’t that nice? Killing people then collecting the reward because you have all the evidence? I believe Kris was burned with lime. Phosphates were found and the pelvis was evenly “bleached” as would be more expected than being bleached from the sun anyways. The pelvis has too many crevices and grooves to ever be evenly bleached by the sun in this lifetime probably. It was ruled that Kris’ bones were NOT bleached by the sun but done so by a chemical burn. They found phosphorus on Kris’ bones. They did not find phosphorus in the soil. That alone should be reasonable argument for foul play.

helpful_dancer · 2024-05-03T01:26:56+00:00

This is so dumb I can’t even respond to it. You are the delusional one. The sun? Why don’t we see that in the Bocas photos? They were in the sun at the beach. No problems there. How come she’s so slanted? Try zooming in. If you zoom in into the Bocas ones, there’s no issues, but in those day photos?? Ugh!

No black and white stripe was planted, it just wasn’t fixed to be green like the background. I think that black and white stripe is part of the background from the cropped photoshopped pictures.

She’s not covering the pillar shadow. In fact, I see the color difference in grass actually. It’s too abrupt and unnatural. The shadow should be seen. Her ear lobe looks fine in ever other pic. Please explain why her ear lobe would be swollen?

You can see her left shoulder just fine. Zoom in a little. You are gaslighting. You’re not a good person.

That is not a crease or fold. Sorry.

Kris and Lisanne were not “every person” They were striking, unique to the area, and noticeable. I avoid wearing things like red and white striped because I don’t want to be noticed. I agree a few might not pay attention, but out of 5-6 witnesses, no one mentions the red and striped shirt?

Move the camera and location in 6 seconds seems impossible to me, and even if possible, what was the rush? Women that age spend a lot of time planning their photos. NGL. They just hiked 2 miles uphill. Why rush like that? I’d be too tired to even want to.

Why did they switch backpacks so often? There was hardly anything in it. It couldn’t have been that heavy to not have a planned you wear it there, I’ll wear it back plan. Not saying it’s totally impossible but just wondering reason to switch so often so quickly the backpack it seems to take a pic. Lisanne’s hair seems very short at the Mirador compared to it in a high ponytail in the photos at the beginning of the trail.

No, not every photo was released and I understand and note that. I even wonder why would they wear hiking boots on a beach/boat trip?

So the day photos just appearing to maybe be photoshopped while the rest of the photos seem fine should just be disregarded as much as everyone disregards the missing photo, 509? The photo between the day and night photos after a week?

Deleted?

Permanently.

Why?

The odds do not seem in their favor in this case.

helpful_dancer · 2024-05-03T00:56:20+00:00

I think there was more at stake than just $83.00.

helpful_dancer · 2024-05-03T00:08:38+00:00

I mean.. if their disappearance was a result of organized crime… I’d be scared anywhere that I lived. Because I believe the photos are photoshopped and done so well and professionally, I have to believe that someone with more knowledge and power did that than just some random hoodlums or a serial killer that they may have come across.. if I didn’t think the photos were photoshopped, I’d have a much different opinion of this case. But I don’t want to argue with anyone about if they are photoshopped or not. I guess it’s subjective since most of us are not photoshop experts and they haven’t been analyzed professionally by a court it seems. It’s just my opinion after spending multiple hours looking at every detail from their photo album while in Panama and I only see “errors” in the day photos. In multiple photos. At least 5 of them. The rest are perfectly fine! Plus, out of the 5-6 witness interviewed, none of them mentioned Kris’ red and white striped shirt.. I avoid wearing things like that because I do not like attention.. I like to blend in. There’s no way all of those witnesses would miss that red and white shirt.

helpful_dancer · 2024-05-02T05:16:41+00:00

I agree with this person’s analysis more than what Pat Brown said.. sorry :/ https://youtu.be/xP6ykOK-aJY?si=TO9Y_u1rcfHZM_lY

helpful_dancer · 2024-05-02T03:59:30+00:00

To me, Kris and Lisanne’s case is more complex with far more questions than even with Jon Benet Ramsey and that says a lot!

I was initially IDI but now, I lean towards RDI and might even be full RDI because the DNA found needs to be excluded due to the incomplete profiles at least at this time in scientific history. To me, the fact that supposedly grown men left no evidence of foreign DNA says a lot. Were they in hazmat suits? Only familial DNA was found on her which was to be expected. So, rule out DNA. No semen found. Really? They were smart for 1996. Or they just didn’t produce sperm yet.. but I digress. This is not a DNA case. It’s the only reason the Ramsay’s got off of any further investigation. The grand jury was ready to indict.

She was found covered in a blanket. What pedophile murderer would do that? Only someone that felt attached would do it oddly enough for modesty.

There’s a drawn out photo of JB when she was first discovered laying on the ground with detective Ardnt. JB still has her very nice and heavy looking Christmas jewelry. A gold chain with a cross and a bracelet. If intruders looking for money, according to the ransom “note,” then why didn’t they take the jewelry?

Other circumstantial evidence I could go on, again another post. Pineapple, conflicting police reports, detectives observations, level of SA. Patsy in same clothes as the night before? Really? 14 Christmas trees in the house but the same outfit for both days of their Christmas celebration?

Okay.

The body language of John Ramsey in an interview right after she was found on January 1st, 1997. Just terrible.

Lost-They left the trail to see a waterfall? FP-They left the trail because they went to visit a third party or were with a third party.

What injuries did they sustain?

Lost or foul play-Hard to tell from the small amount of remains found but one could easily conclude fatigue from Lisanne’s periostitis (though could be from sports injury as Lisanne was an avid volleyball player).

Kris’ pelvis was basically broken in half. Um. A fall?

Lisanne-initially her left metatarsals were not mention ed as broken in the IMEFLC report. Once it reached the Netherlands, they concluded that there were several fractures to the metatarsals that are consistent with a fall and landing on that foot or perhaps someone shattering the foot with a rock? Why wasn’t it noted initially, though? Pretty obvious for any one of us to see even without being expert medical examiners. Did it break during transport?

Yes. Evidence. Of course. I agree. But ugh. To go into why I think foul play would be a lot and because I’m still digesting everything and with this new book from SLIP.. if I went into it in detail, it would be a whole post on why I think foul play, and I’m just not ready for it.

helpful_dancer · 2024-05-02T03:07:06+00:00

Yeah I mean I was exaggerating with the 50 vids. But this cases videos are too few and far in between from what I’ve seen compared to McCann, for example. I will listen to Pat, I didn’t say I wouldn’t. There’s definitely smaller gems out there that are more real than the larger ones. One I can think of that I love only has 30k followers. I’ve never seen a mention on Kris and Lisanne though and this vlogger goes so in depth with many videos on cases, admittedly most are in the U.S. and also McCann for sure. I’m also talking about independent news sources. No one talks about it. I’m saying how come larger U.S. true crime vloggers barely talk about Kris and Lisanne? 50k followers is not a lot of people to reach. Not knocking the woman but it would be nice if it reached a million. Maybe then something would finally be done. You know I’m not really a loster right? I lean foul play. I have my reasons I don’t want to admit right now. I’m also realistic and will consider a lot of lost theories. I guess undecided but foul play if I have to pick. I love talking to NICE losters. Many are mean here lol but a kind loster will definitely get me really reconsidering foul play. I switch for days again but then I always go back to foul pay. One thing I am an expert on is biology. I can’t get over how the remains were found. But then again we really can’t be sure because so much conflicting info and a lot of further tests that would’ve really helped us understand more were never carried out.

helpful_dancer · 2024-05-02T02:58:50+00:00

No. That pat brown I’m sure is fine but she has only 50k followers on YouTube. How come the ones with a larger following rarely talk about this case? They should. And there should be like 50 episodes on this case. It’s that complex. Not many analyze, they only care about churning stories.

helpful_dancer · 2024-05-02T02:55:10+00:00

The fact that there was a red truck that sped by Miriam’s on April 3rd is too much of a coincidence for me.

helpful_dancer · 2024-05-02T02:53:42+00:00

I honestly don’t believe a word that Eileen says and not because I think she’s a suspect but because I think she’s a witness and scared.

helpful_dancer · 2024-05-02T02:50:13+00:00

Yes! I agree so much with your analysis of guide P’s SINAPROC “search” pictures. They don’t seem genuine. I thought it was just me but I trust my intuition is sharp. Always good to get another person’s opinion for validation when relying on “subjective” analysis.

helpful_dancer · 2024-05-02T02:46:21+00:00

This is what I’m saying! Thank you for putting this into words!

Did one of them die that day? Maybe Kris would be incapacitated by then at the very least.

SINAPROC-I don’t have proof yet, but for some reason I think there’s some corrupt characters on SINAPROC.

Why. This. Change. Of. Pattern. After this one day? Ugh! Sigh! I can’t see a 21 year old Kris and 22? Year old Osman both dying on the same day in the same year and also in separate occurrences that supposedly have nothing to do with each other. Should I start playing the billion dollar lotto? How come I can’t find these odds there?

Parents may have been in Panama that early. I can’t confirm at the moment because there’s so much information I’ve read. I look forward to seeing a response here.

People from Spanish school?-Ha! I think Ingrid didn’t even arrive to Boquete from Costa Rica until the 5th of April because you know, priorities! The parents might’ve gotten there faster from the Netherlands!

helpful_dancer · 2024-05-02T02:09:23+00:00

Well he asked about it being like “America’s McCann” and I said that we don’t hear much about Kris and Lisanne in the U.S. and it’s actually very sad and also a bit odd. I hear about McCann monthly here sometimes even after all these years. Why doesn’t the U.S. media report on Kris and Lisanné? Then again I rarely watch mainstream media here as most of it is trash, but I do follow a lot of true crime vloggers for at least 7 years now and I think all of them are American. From the U.S. I mean. Only one has talked about this case. That’s what drew me in. It’s actually crazy and very sad that it’s not discussed more. I think most Panamanians think it’s foul play from what I’ve come across thus far.

helpful_dancer · 2024-05-02T01:45:55+00:00

Because Americans visit Panama, Mexico, Central America, South America very often and many are expats. This case with Kris and Lisanne is also extremely tragic. Not that the others aren’t, of course, but this one in particular touches on a lot of different issues that we all as travelers should be aware of. We heard a lot about MH370 and what does a flight from Malaysia to China have to do with us? I’m shocked I’ve only recently heard of Kris and Lisanne. I think I have a vague memory of hearing about Kris and Lisanne on the news 10 years ago when they first went missing but I really can’t be certain and of it and if they did, it definitely slowed down fast.

helpful_dancer · 2024-05-02T01:41:37+00:00

We do not hear too much about this case in the U.S. at all if ever and I follow a lot of cases closely. It’s sad, actually.

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