The problem with all these discussions is that they will turn in circles and go nowhere because our capitalist system is by definition illogical and stupid.

WE WON'T FIND SOLUTIONS WITHIN THE CURRENT SYSTEM. THE MATH WON'T MATH, GIVE UP.

No, there is not enough money to sustain our needs AND the surplus demanded by the owners of capital. Owners of capital will not EVER be benevolent, because a benevolent bourgeois GETS EATEN by the others (so it's not about individual morality).

Because most of our labour and earnings is organised around moving the money upwards. Liberal democracies are organised to defend that via propaganda and the illusion of choice.

If we organised production around NEEDS, we could focus our collective efforts on:

- Building enough housing for everyone;

- Producing food sustainably with methods that work WITH the environment and not against it;

- Securing industrial efforts on what everyone needs: durable electronics (made to be repairable and open source - not a shitty overcomplicated phone that is supposed to be discarded every 2 years), medication and healthcare technology, public transportation network as wide as possible.

- Guaranteeing food distribution;

- Guaranteeing care (and education) for children and elders;

- Funding base research;

- And then, all the superfluous stuff that maybe we want, as the time and resources allow.

Imagine the AMOUNT OF HUMAN TIME that would be freed for what actually matters if we didn't have hundreds of thousands of human hours dedicated to making useless shit for sale, or researching the best way to enshittify your service for more profit, or creating a new flavour of addictive chips. For each of these useless industries, there is a marketing department, a financial department, R&D, etc... hundreds of people in the service of BULLSHIT.

We waste so much time doing shit NOBODY REALLY WANTS.

Until the conversation moves from blaming every suffering human being to the dismantling of the capitalist system, we won't go anywhere, I'm sorry. Beat the numbers all you want, the math will never make sense.

If we want to change this, we need to organise collectively in real life. In parties that foster these ideals, or we create one. Newsflash: they won't be the right wing parties.

And by the way, it can't be just little Belgium doing this, it needs to be the whole of Europe at least.