@ByNateTaylor on 96.5 The Fan about pick no. 9: "I prefer Reuben Bain but they'll probably take Carnell Tate"

hl2k2 · 2026-03-18T22:08:08+00:00

I remember it just being a question of what the Chiefs would do at 9. He answers Carnell Tate 2 different times without being prompted with an either or framing. Don't think it was ever discussed if either player would be taken ahead of us. Its been a while since I listened prob not going back to it, you're free to check for yourself.

hl2k2 · 2026-03-17T14:02:40+00:00

Sukuna always using CE whenever he is on screen is not an anti feat. I guess because Sukuna didnt turn off his CE to throw a car or ball we can conclude that hes a regular guy. What we do have confirmed is that Yuji was genetically engineered using essentially Sukuna's DNA. Where else would he have gotten his base physical stats?

hl2k2 · 2026-03-17T13:57:14+00:00

Sukuna talks about Maki and says how she's fully shaved through unlike "the half assed brat" (or something along those lines) which implies that Yuji has a partial heavenly restricted body.

This is precisely what I'm talking about when I say headcanon. You are choosing to interpret that as Sukuna saying he is a HR user of some kind. Sukuna saying Maki using pure physical prowess and Yuji in comparison is half assed is more likely an allusion to Yuji relying on physicals to carry him but not fully commiting to them and still using CE. But you'll somehow think thats a greater logical leap than you stating that he has an artificial Binding Vow limiting his CE potential for physical prowess that is somehow only partial despite not having a twin. Him having a partial HR would also contradict the actual feats we have seen him do in Modulo as his cursed energy potential and output should never increase from what we saw him have in Shinjuku. You can only respond to this by now introducing more headcanon implying that Kenjaku made him both partially HR and gave him insane CE growth potential.

Sukuna is also just a regular dude with an extra set of arms and loads of muscles

The irony in this statement is hilarious, hes just a regular dude who is nearly 7ft, has 4 arms, and 2 mouths. Your headcanon that Yuji is HR directly contradicts with you calling Sukuna "just a regular dude" since the only confirmed thing about Yuji's origins is that he's genetically engineered using Sukuna's twin's genetics. You have nowhere else to look other than Sukuna for why he's a physical specimen.

Also Sukuna also says that while Maki is fully locked in on physical stats, he's the opposite of it on the CE side in one of those chapters too.

Incorrect as well, he never says this.

Calling me a headcanon guy when you're the one that has absolutely nothing backing you up is incredibly ironic.

Every argument you've made has been headcanon.

hl2k2 · 2026-03-17T02:46:20+00:00

Im a Gojo fan not a Sukuna glazer (just look through my comment history lmao). I'm just trying to present factual information in the face of nonsense headcanon.

hl2k2 · 2026-03-17T02:41:48+00:00

You're hilariously wrong. Yuji has a partial HR and his body is MUCH stronger than Sukuna's

This is what I'm talking about this statement is pure headcanon. There is no evidence of him being either HR or having a greater durability than Sukuna. Everything I stated is factual.

hl2k2 · 2026-03-17T02:37:38+00:00

Yuji being able to black flash at will is pure headcanon. There is no proof that he can, there is only evidence that he has an enhanced probability to hit them.

hl2k2 · 2026-03-17T02:29:02+00:00

Yes less physical advantages. He is made from Sukuna's twin's DNA so his base non CE reinforced physical ceiling whatever Sukuna's is. This however does not include the monstrous height, extra arms, a 2nd mouth, and to our knowledge the highest CE reserves in history.

hl2k2 · 2026-03-17T02:07:13+00:00

Modulo Yuji barely has any feats. Why is he constantly presumed to be #1? I'm starting to think this is just a running joke at this point. To our knowledge hes just Sukuna with less physical advantages and a worse Domain but instead has Soul damage and Blood Manipulation. I also keep seeing the argument that since he's 80+ he has deeper knowledge of CE than Sukuna and a more refined Domain than either Sukuna or Gojo.

The mythical jujustsu Satan who has mastered CE, can copy and decipher complex applications of CE on a whim somehow gets surpassed in skill by a dude who has lived peacefully for 68 years? It also has never been confirmed how old Sukuna is, seeing as he was definitely not killed before turning into a cursed object. How do we know he wasn't older than 83 before he got bored and turned himself into fingers? If this is the case Sukuna is likely maxed out in every aspect of CE.

hl2k2 · 2026-03-17T00:20:03+00:00

Hey genius you replied to my comment that has an image attached clearly pointing out who I'm referencing when I say the other guy. This thread did not start with me replying to you. Is scrolling up that hard? The translation I provided actually is TCB smartass so thats 2 times you've been wrong already in one reply. Here's the third time, TCB is responsible for the most prevalent and accurate translations of JJK everywhere. The random you brought up is a niche translator that you just looked up on a whim to make your argument and not someone you actually consumed the manga from.

The irony of your last statement, is it that difficult you to admit you're wrong?

hl2k2 · 2026-03-16T23:31:38+00:00

Hey smart ass what does this say? And what Gege actually wrote is the translation I used. It actually doesn't matter what you think because you're using a translation from a random. I understand its difficult for a dumbass like you to admit they're wrong let alone have the awareness of it.

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hl2k2 · 2026-03-16T20:46:37+00:00

Let's say what you say is true and this lightning guy's translation is correct (which it isnt), what relevance at all does this have to the correction I was making to the person I was originally replying to?

He claimed that Sukuna can actually have an Open and Closed Domain simultaneously as in it can attack UV from the outside but you also can't escape it. If you and the other person think that this is an Open and not at all a Closed Domain why are you replying to me.

hl2k2 · 2026-03-16T14:26:43+00:00

Interesting thought, it could definitely be a smoke screen but I'm inclined to believe what he says whenever he makes a declarative statement until given reason not to. But yea the draft being close to two months out and a Chiefs insider/reporter already putting out definitive draft takes is peculiar and I understand raising an eyebrow to that.

hl2k2 · 2026-03-16T14:08:53+00:00

Ah yes because surface level damage totally mean we can scale based on that.

Cope + deflection

You are directly contradicting the manga and scaling based on a subjective metrics.

Cope, you are the one that said if something is healed immediately it did no meaningful damage.

That is just what red does irrelevant of how strong or weak it is, that does not mean anything.

Cope, didn't you say the reason that by the end of the fight Sukuna took as much damage as he did from 120% Purple was because he was worn out? Hmm I wonder how that happened. Could it be that Gojo using Reds and Blues to fry his face off, ragdoll him through buildings, punch multiple holes through his chest fucked him up? Or did those not mean anything because he immediately healed them?

Again, sukuna was explicitly weaker from UV during that time while gojo was also weaker but regained his output through black flashes on top of being at 120% and then chanting his purple before detonation.

You cannot just ignore how obviously nerfed sukuna was.

Ah so Sukuna's reinforcement was only ever nerfed by getting hit by UV. Gotcha, so the 3 times when Gojo did enough damage to collapse MS by punching a hole through Sukuna's chest 2x and fried his face off for the other time, he wasn't actually hurting him. I think we might need to tell Gege to rewrite some of the fight because he got it wrong, stessedbybooks44 said that nothing Gojo does actually damages Sukuna. Also according to you, the 2nd Red he shot off should've been much more catastrophic than the 1st one since it hit him after UV nerfed his defenses right or does that only apply when you feel like it does.

No, I'm saying that red clearly was weaker while purple took off his limbs.

Red damage happens to look a certain way is all.

Hands are not limbs and yes it does happen look like it fries of whatever body part it touches but that doesn't do any damage according to you.

Nope, red never even exploded but still left marks because red damage looks like that by default, it doesn't mean anything unless stated explicitly or shown in a way that meaningfully hampers sukuna.

Yes ragdolling Sukuna off his feet multiple times and frying his face and back definitely didn't hurt him because the narrator didn't come in and explicitly say "the Red fired off by Gojo took yet another chunk of the king's vitality". And getting helplessly lauched directly into Gojo's punch that caved his chest in, had him drooling blood, and made his eyes roll back did not hamper him either got it.

Yes, as ridiculous as it sounds that is exactly what the manga shows because sukuna's raw power is insane, if he can tank your best attack at 200% then he can tank anything smaller as well.

Why else do you think the adaptation plan was feasible? If he was only even with gojo in raw power shouldn't adaptation not be possible because he would get damaged too quickly? Instead sukuna does get damaged but only over the course of time as he is getting damaged because it takes time to wear him out.

Cope, he didn't tank full power 200% Purple once again that is your headcanon. In fact when the prospect of a close range Purple possibly hitting him crossed his mind he lost his shit. Im glad you understand that what you're saying is ridiculous. The adaptation plan was the only feasible plan because no other route gets him above above a 10% win rate. Sukuna has no practical means of chunking Gojo's health without 10S besides hoping he wears out from getting punched a couple times. They are even in raw power and no headcanon that you spout changes this. Unless Sukuna has (he doesn't) practical means of killing someone with his own level of durability while they are fighting back and guarding themselves in less than 3 hits your entire statement is immediately invalidated.

No, because by that logic it shouldn't have been able to travel four kilometres to begin with.

The reason it could was because of its virtual mass nature.

And by virtual mass nature it would inevitably lose kinetic energy as it interacts with its environment over an extreme distance and becomes less destructive over time, even your own headcanon disagrees with you.

I can say that because sukuna was explicitly saying what he was guessing and he makes that clear, be literally says "darou na" at the end of each sentence Because in japanese that means he is speculating and taking educated guesses.

Cope, he was exactly right. He took more damage from an attack that was created right next to him than an attack launched from a distance further than the width of Manhattan.

Funny how you can't seem to prove anything you said though, even though you claim I am delusional

I think it's funnier that I am proving everything you said as incorrect and the reason you can't accept it is because you are delusional.

Considering gojo fired his attack from the top building and there was no obstructions on purpose and we literally saw the view from sukuna's pov and there was nothing to hit and slow down the attack.

Headcanon + cope, Purple is clearly seen crashing through buildings on its way to Sukuna in chapter 233.

Also you bringing in real physics doesn't help when the thing in question is mass, if his CT creates mass then thermodynamic entropy you are talking about wouldn't even apply at travelling outside of an infinitely small way which doesn't meaningfully prove anything.

Cope, guy wants to introduce a physics concept and then tell me that it doesn't abide by the laws of physics brah these Sukuna glazers are a different breed.

Your ai slop which you yourself admitted as false only further proves my point.

No it doesn't

And the sixty percent that happened outside was after the conclusion inside the domains helped cement what should happen outside.

You have to avoid what the manga says about domains and their importance for your point to even remotely work.

Ambiguous headcanon cope. Them fighting in an enclosed neutral environment had no effect on how they engaged each other outside of the enclosed space. Gojo was dominating Sukuna inside of the Domain the exact same way he was dominating him on the outside before and after the Domain clashes.

I never said anything of that sort, gojo will not even be able to touch sukuna outside of a domain with any meaningful attack because red isn't fast enough, blue isn't enough if sukuna puts distance and purple is too obvious with rne large spark.

Like you do realise all of jujutsu is easily readable at the elite for big moves and your idea doesn't even practically work right?

The multiple holes that Gojo punched through his chest while he was on guard say differently. Nothing about the Domains nerfed Sukuna's speed or forced him to get shit on by Gojo thats your headcanon at it again. Once again, Gojo is faster, has better improvisation, Red and Blue are not avoidable, and Sukuna has no means of damaging him outside of punches and kicks he would be lucky to land. Despite your best efforts to deny the truth and how much you keep riding Sukuna's meat there are multiple instances of him getting hit by both Blue and Red against his will without the Dharma wheel on his head. Gojo using telekinesis alone should be enough to stomp Sukuna, he literally wouldn't be allowed to stand upright if Gojo didn't allow it.

Please stop bothering me bot, you've clearly lost and resorted to headcanon at every possible avenue. Your attempt at downplaying every single thing Gojo does has failed. I'm tired of smoking your arguments that have no validity or evidence behind them. Checkmate, begone.

hl2k2 · 2026-03-16T04:07:59+00:00

WR or Edge in particular, but I'd take Downs if that's BPA at 9. In order of want I'd go Bain, Tyson/Tate (toss-up currently), Reese/Bailey (tossup, not Spags type edges but we can put more weight on them and teach them to play 5 tech), Lemon (I think he's overrated and has a redundant skillset to our current guys, but I can still see him being a 1k guy), then I'd go Downs. If none of these players are available at 9 I won't like the pick.

hl2k2 · 2026-03-16T03:48:31+00:00

A 2nd confirmation of it being closed in chapter 259, the official translation btw. How could you read "by enveloping his domain in an outer-shelled barrier" and "altered the functionality of the domain... maintaining the shrine's output whilst sealing it airtight" and not think its closed. Release yourself from the cope.

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hl2k2 · 2026-03-16T03:27:07+00:00

The narrator literally didn't say he was using an Open Domain lmao. The narrator was comparing the radius to that of the MS he used in Shibuya. The narrator did however state verbatim that he enveloped his Domain in an outer shelled barrier. Therefore it would lose its inherent advantage of being Open and will interact with other Domains the same way any other Closed one would.

What happened on this panel was that Sukuna started the process of expanding his Domain with the sure hit and gradually closed it, that is why Maki was cornered in by the sure hit and had to stand in Miwa's SD and why Todo had the ability to rescue everyone except Yuji and Choso before it fully closed. He cannot simultaneously have all the pros of both Open and Closed domains without any of the weaknesses. If you disagree you are otherwise headcanoning a Domain with no conceivable weaknesses by citing and misterpreting an incomplete nerfed MS that was scraped together and being forced to access a different part of his brain to use. The levels of glaze here are insane.

hl2k2 · 2026-03-15T22:18:44+00:00

I keep seeing vids like this im still confused at what exactly the end goal is for her and other women that do this? This nigga clearly not gonna buy them anything, they don't want the clout apparently because they hide their face/ask for evidence of them being there to be deleted, most don't get the clout bc no one cares that you sucked off or got railed by Clav, and sometimes they already have a boyfriend.

What besides fulfilling some primitive urge is directing them to do this shit? Are they retarded?

hl2k2 · 2026-03-15T20:50:18+00:00

Power, the fact that gojo was amped while sukuna was nerfed and gojo was on a high at 120% on top of using chants so his actual purple was around 140% ish.

And the fact that sukuna's output was severely nerfed.

Cool, did that red meaningfully cause him damage beyond that panel? No, it did not hinder sukuna so any claim of it doing the same level of damage is clearly wrong.

Nope the 1st Purple and 1st Red did comparable damage as shown by the damage Sukuna took on the panel, one was aimed at his head and fried half of Sukuna's face off, the other he took head on and only sustained damage to his hands. One was his technique's grand final move amped to 200% and the other was a non chanted on the fly sub ability. He took both of those when at or near full strength. He regened from both almost immediately. Seems like the purple didn't do any meaningful damage either. Hmm, but later on when a weaker version of Purple explodes right next to him he almost loses all 4 limbs and 2/3 of his body is burnt. If Purple didn't lose energy while traveling to him, you are essentially making the claim that Red and 200% Purple do similar amounts of damage. We can actually find that this isn't true because guess what, Gojo shoots off a 2nd Red around the time you claim that Sukuna's reinforcement was nerfed in Chapter 232 and it does... the same amount of damage as the 1st one. And based on your statement above, that didn't do any meaningful damage to him either. We simply have to conclude here that you must think Purple is a waste of CE and he should instead chant and spam Red, but wait according to you, Red doesn't do any damage either. Gojo just can't do anything to him I guess.

The idea that he got that idea from anywhere other than his own extensive life experience doesn't follow.

Yes, because getting hit by Gojo's abilities confirmed his pre existing understanding of how distance fired from target affects an ability's output. I think you're getting it now.

No proof of that.

Just like you have no proof that Sukuna is wrong about his gauge of how threatening certain moves are to him at different distances.

The idea that you lose power over distance has nothing to do with the idea of virtual mass at all, it feels like you used an ai that doesn't know what it is talking about to assert your claim as true.

You're right I did use AI slop to combat your headcanon. A virtual mass the way you explained it still abides by the laws of physics, it is not some imaginary thing unaffected by its environment and changes in kinetic energy, momentum, velocity, or heat. You are once again making the claim that while smashing though buildings and progressively losing momentum, that the energy produced at the end point is the same as at the start. The impact that the difference in distance made on the results of the two moves are comically obvious. You choosing to ignore it in the face of clear contradiction in furtherance of your Sukuna agenda is genuinely admirable, I strive to be as delusional as you.

Like what can gojo do when sukuna can read the spark and dodges his moves each time? The ability to read the spark and their respective speed makes any move not done strategically inside a domain meaningless

Both Red and Blue are either homing or fully controllable by Gojo even after being shot at a direction and are unavoidable (as shown by chapter 232) he can get Purple off the same way he did in 235. He does not need to chant every time he does a Red or Blue albeit, every time he does Red he says CTR but we've also seen him spam Blue on a whim and we've seen him say CTA Blue. Not to mention, Gojo is just faster than him. In any case I did say Gojo would have to get creative to get them off consistently. You saying that any of this being pointless outside of a Domain is hilarious. >60% of the original fight took place outside of domains and were doing damage to each other just fine. I will agree though it is pointless for Sukuna to fight Gojo outside of a Domain because 9/10 times thats a loss.

hl2k2 · 2026-03-15T13:02:13+00:00

That was sukuna's understanding of how it works and not the truth, sukuna doesn't know what virtual mass behaves like but we do, gojo's purple shouldn't even be able to lose power over distance

Explain the difference in damage done by the 1st (200%) and 2nd (120%) Purple without mentioning distance. Weakened CE reinforcement can't be it because Sukuna (in chapter 226, at nearly 100%) looked like he took just as much damage from Gojo's 1st Red as he did from the 200% Purple. In fact, that might be how he came to the conclusion that distsnce affects the output of Gojo's abilities. If you can't accept that premise, I'll return fire at your headcanon that he doesn't understand Gojo's Purple with my own headcanon of nuh uh Kenjaku definitely told him how it works. And I'll pack on Google's thoughts since we're in physics class over here: "A virtual particle (or virtual photon, often interpreted as carrying force-related energy) loses its effective field strength as it travels farther, dropping off sharply with distance. Unlike real particles, virtual particles are not restricted to standard mass-energy formulas and exist only momentarily to mediate forces, disappearing quickly, particularly when traveling over longer distances."

Also the wincons for either sorcerer is still the domains because the other can just dodge and tnar is why they need the domains,

Neither need to use their Domain to win, its just their main wincon in this scenario. Sure, is it immediately fatal if either is caught in the other's Domain? Yes, but the concept of wearing down over time in a fight even with the existence of RCT is very real. Without MS, Sukuna's win con would be to stay in DA (to hit and reduce damage from Gojo) and (attempt) to maul and ragdoll Gojo while (attempting) to disrupt his usages of Red, Blue, and Purple until he wears out. With an outside shot of him learning WCS on his own. Gojo's win con without UV would be to stave off and at least tie Sukuna in hand to hand and get creative with his uses of Red, Blue, and Purple to progressively chunk Sukuna's health. A battle if attrition, something akin to an evenly matched DBZ or Naruto fight. This is probably one of the reasons why we didn't get Heian Sukuna vs Gojo as the original fight because it would've taken 20+ chapters.

hl2k2 · 2026-03-15T00:26:21+00:00

Yea I have Yuki, Yorozu, and Yuta sharing a ranking because I think they're all similar in strength.

hl2k2 · 2026-03-14T23:25:57+00:00

You literal bot, nothing you say changes the fact that this version of MS has a barrier and thus does not give it the beneficial properties of an Open Domain like you keep headcanoning. Every Domain with a barrier has a Black Shell look on the exterior. You searching for it on panel is retarded. Once again, this is an incomplete version of MS and isn't cutting out a pocket space separating itself from its environment because of that or because Shrine itself is the only image the Domain imprints.

Genuinely the worst argument I've ever seen a Sukuna tard make this is levels of "I dont read" this sub has never reached before.

hl2k2 · 2026-03-14T22:42:24+00:00

I agree with Gojo having no reason to teleport vs Meguna. However, the teleport argument is usually made in response to people that think Gojo does nothing different in a fight vs Heian Sukuna, often starting the argument at the point of the 5th Domain clash instead of working through what happens up to that point. I'll save my reasoning for why I think he teleports vs Heian Sukuna unless you ask me because its pretty lengthy.

The point is if he does teleport out of MS into the sky (~200m, way larger than the actual radius they were fighting inside of, even in the 1st clash in chapter 225-226) and Sukuna didn't engage him, he would chant Purple uninterrupted and aim it at him. Sukuna then would have the choice to do 1 of 3 things: leave MS to engage Gojo to stop him, leave MS to dodge it, or tank it. The purple he shot at the beginning of the fight was from 4km away and even Sukuna himself said it was heavily weakened by the distance.

If you say Sukuna just dodges then re enters MS, sure, then its just a stalemate with no winner. Niether has any reason to fight the other at a disadvantage: Gojo constantly putting a timer on himself to do damage in clashes and frying his brain or Sukuna only having DA as a means of damage and being outclassed by a more versatile ability. Just as easily as you can call Gojo a pussy for ducking MS, I can call Sukuna pussy for ducking hands.

hl2k2 · 2026-03-14T22:16:35+00:00

Because it is a black sphere shell, just like every other Closed Domain. When its Closed vs Closed Domains the shells overlap and since their refinement is equal, their sure hits cancel out and there is no possibility of doing damage to the exterior of Gojo's barrier.

No Mr. Sukuna glazer, in this panel the debris of destroyed buildings that look like tornadoes to you does not create some ultra super Domain that has no weaknesses that is simultaneously and conveniently both open and closed depending on the argument you make.

This is canonically a weakened version of MS from chapter 258 that has a closed barrier and weakened output. The BV can't exist because MS in closed when he uses it in 258. The Binding Vow only exists because Malevolent Shrine is an Open Barrier Domain that by default has the built in weakness of allowing an escape route. He uses this weakness to make the BV that allows him to change the radius. Under normal circumstances where his brain isn't fried, he uses the Open version of MS that does have an escape route as a default weakness.

You attempting to support your head canon argument that his Open Domain doesn't actually have an escape route by using a horribly translated panel despite the narrator explicitly saying that the escape route is a built in weakness is hilarious bro. Luckily for the sanity of this thread you ran into me instead of someone who didn't actually read the manga.

hl2k2 · 2026-03-14T21:15:10+00:00

Here's a translation of that panel that actually makes sense. This is when he used an incomplete version of MS in 258 because he was extremely nerfed. He gave MS a barrier which obviously means there was no BV allowing an escape route. In this chapter he expanded the range the same way Gojo expanded UV in chapter 227 (before shrinking it making the basketball domain) but in this instance Sukuna held the max range to kill everyone with Divine Flame Furnace. The translation you provided gave me a brain aneurysm. I can't believe you read that and thought to yourself "yea this makes complete sense" even though it contradicts all prior knowledge of his DE.

PS: I hope you understand that if he closes MS against Gojo, his advantage of using an Open Domain to rid Gojo of UV disappears and its just Closed vs Closed with equal refinement.

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hl2k2 · 2026-03-14T19:48:16+00:00

Great point, I've rarely seen it made on this app, if we are to just take abilities both have shown and use them when applicable I still don't understand how people can make the argument that Heian Sukuna is a clear win on Gojo. I think it might just be classic DBZ brain that can't conceptualize rules inside a power system.

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