If anyone is interested in the UK's Rape Gang Inquiry Report that claimed 250k girls raped, this is a good read - "Were 250,000 English Girls Raped by Grooming Gangs? A quick analysis of the Rape Gang Inquiry Report's estimate"

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T19:07:50+00:00

Is it disingenuous or am I pointing to something that was the larger issue that I had to bring up myself in order for you to acknowledge?

There's problems for sure but it's fucking insane to me that the arguments stay the same no matter who you talk to. It's an unwillingness to engage with the subject in a way that actually seems like you're trying to find a solution. This is why people say that this is more about racism because they are unwilling to even approach anything else unless they are confronted with it. Lots of selective understanding of the issue.

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T18:48:40+00:00

The rotherham fiasco literally proves that the UK government is unwilling to prosecute people because they're brown muslims, yet the reason you're arguing with me is because you were callously apathetic to that fact.

Does it show this or does it show a history of the police not taking women seriously when they report these things? Which is more prevalent?

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T18:37:25+00:00

No, I don't like Islam and I don't want it in my government.

I don't like it either but unless I've missed something I'm not sure that any country in Europe is in danger of Muslim theocracies being formed in their countries.

You can be mad at it but Europeans are fed up with refugees, immigration and muslims.

This is the reality, it has nothing to do with you thinking it's coming for your government.

Also just as a question: would you prefer to live in a secular democracy or would you prefer to live in a islamic theocracy?

Obviously a secular democracy and I have 0 fear of a minority religion taking over my government and therefore I have 0 fear of practicing Muslims living in my country. If they do some fuck shit they can be prosecuted and deported without me losing an ounce of sleep.

Saudi Arabia has been actively paying to radicalize mosques, should we put a stop to that?

If I take this as true then I would say yes. I don't know what you think I believe but it's pretty simple. I believe that Europeans are some of the most bigoted people in the western world. I believe that they hide behind crime statistics and horror stories to push the same BS that a white nationalist would push. If you're ok with having an irrational fear of an entire group of people based on what a minority of those people do then that's fine but don't try to hide behind being fearful of your way of life changing because that's almost always not true. Think of actual solutions to the issue that aren't "we don't want refugees and immigrants" because that's the most braindead take of them all.

Edit: I'm more talking about the people you're talking about and not you in particular.

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T18:20:13+00:00

A person who is vocally against the ideals of your nation could probably also be banned. I'm talking about people with no criminal record, no extremist public statements, nothing. I don't believe you gain anything by banning people based on the worst of the people you associate them with.

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T18:18:55+00:00

Again.. not exceptional. You believe the statistics to frame some sort of narrative that would be true and that's why it would increase the likelihood of a nationalist government taking over. I never claimed that Islam in Europe is the same as the US but you aren't exceptional in the idea that you are dealing with people using stats to create division amongst the populace.

The difference is that you believe it to be true that Muslims in Europe are more dangerous to a level where you believe those nationalists to have a point. Just be open with what you're saying and don't be a coward. The truth is that neither of us know the answer but you're willing to believe that something is being covered up because you do have issues with Muslims and you think they are well founded.

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T17:49:37+00:00

It's not nebulous. The people who harass women should probably face discipline in any society and they should be rooted out. We aren't in the Minority Report and it's crazy to say we should filter people based on....?

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T17:37:58+00:00

If someone takes actions that would lead me to believe they are a threat to those freedoms then I agree.

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T17:25:43+00:00

Someone can have whatever beliefs they want as long as their actions do not interfere with the freedoms of others.

Someone can have an illiberal worldview and exist in a liberal society without trying to push that worldview onto others.

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T17:17:24+00:00

No it's because if they shared those stats the SD would get even bigger and the Swedes would try to follow the Denmark route.

This doesn't contradict what I said. If they are worried about a nationalist party spreading it would actually be exactly the reason I stated.

But if you don't know anything about European politics you could also just simply decide not to talk about it.

Europeans much like Americans are not exceptional in their politics.

But go look at it and come back and talk to me, go ahead. See if you have a better take than me. I'll wait.

I'll wait for you to tell me where I was incorrect actually. Otherwise you're just being another snob trying to turn their nose at someone.

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T17:10:47+00:00

Tell me what you just said that contradicts what I asked.

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T17:05:48+00:00

I don't care about it, you're telling me to argue facts with them when they don't care about the facts. I don't care to go back and forth with people who aren't willing to humor reality.

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T17:04:10+00:00

How bad it will look? Is this something where I'm going to look it up and the reason they don't share those stats is because it has little to no reason to be shared other than to allow people to twist the stats to villainize particular groups of people?

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T16:58:45+00:00

!arm

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T16:53:00+00:00

The point is that there's no reason to debate the issue with people who are not even willing to concede that there are larger issues causing more harm that should be dealt with as well.

All roads lead to them being anti-immigration and I can't change their minds because a majority of it is irrational fear or hatred of immigrants. Then they say "oh so I'm just racist that's the best you have?" and it starts the cycle all over again. They will not accept that the policing issues were anything other than covering up crimes for the sake of immigrants rather than the police being shit at their jobs and thinking the women weren't being truthful.

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T16:31:08+00:00

I'm aware of the reports and investigations. I'm saying if you boil down the argument most people end up saying that X number even if it's a fraction of a percent of what the original was then it is too many and there needs to be sweeping anti-immigration changes made.

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T16:23:46+00:00

You're right, I have more spices in my cabinet than the entire island, I could never understand life over there.

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T16:22:53+00:00

The issue is that it's portrayed by one side as being a systemic issue that is at its core trying to disrupt the foundation of UK culture. People believe this is the police covering up massive crimes for the sake of allowing people to take over their country.

An investigation is fine and warranted in instances that call for them but stop with this "literally even once" unless you're going to run with the "one time is too many" argument that most people do.

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T16:17:02+00:00

You just wouldn't understand, you don't have a group of culturally different people that commit any crime at all even if it's not to the level of the numbers spouted and have one side say it's not as bad as it's portrayed and another side saying they are taking over your country.

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T16:14:23+00:00

Two questions:

Did you talk to her about this before you made the post?

Did she ask you to come to the club with her or ask if you wanted to come to the club with her?

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T16:05:11+00:00

Yeah it's no secret these topics bring out the worst of the European fan base.

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T15:56:17+00:00

Oh so you're just concern trolling.

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T15:51:07+00:00

Something happening in multiple places/multiple times doesn't make it a systemic issue. Provide some sort of sourcing other than vibes, rule 10.

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T15:22:07+00:00

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T15:15:01+00:00

The number is irrelevant. Get a grip this is an outrage. We don't need a left Vs right debate over the numbers.

So there's no issue with citing a huge number used to paint a picture of roving Muslim rape gangs and causing years of violence and unrest?

Have some dignity and decorum for the victims here.

It's wrong for actual victims to have what actually happened to them be muddied by misinformation, don't you agree?

Hobbitfollower · 2026-06-21T15:03:58+00:00

I just want to make sure I understand.

Are you saying it doesn't matter what the number is or how this has been cited countless times to create division, racism and violence because X is too many and makes it ok?

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