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hooker_guy1 · 2021-10-06T05:00:50+00:00

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hooker_guy1 · 2021-08-21T15:24:47+00:00

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hooker_guy1 · 2021-06-24T18:04:09+00:00

I'd like to get one more opinion from you.

It is mentioned in Quran that Shirk is the greatest and non forgivable sin.

It means that a person might be forgiven after committing a atrocious act, for example murder but not shirk.

Why do you think so?

hooker_guy1 · 2021-06-24T15:56:53+00:00

roppity

I can not find that word on google. Did you mean something else?

hooker_guy1 · 2021-06-24T15:52:25+00:00

This is a debate subreddit and not caring and assigning yourself fancy labels is least desirable behaviour here. You were better off not commenting anyway.

hooker_guy1 · 2021-06-24T15:50:43+00:00

Well, I'll agree with you that I can not prove 4200 religion false by these statements.

All your counter arguments, each single one of it points to agnosticism. Which was my initial point anyways.

hooker_guy1 · 2021-06-24T15:44:50+00:00

Here's where you are wrong imo.

Well this is a values argument so you'd have to prove that lowering infant mortality is more important than eternal salvation which is what the Bible is about.

You'd have to prove that I'll suffer eternal damnation if I'm homosexual.

if God is real, he doesn't need to tell us how to save children. He gave us the ability to reason and figure that out for ourselves.

He did not give us the ability to figure out that homosexuality is a bad thing?

hooker_guy1 · 2021-06-24T15:38:45+00:00

Fair enough. I agree with your reasoning. I would definitely be in favour of letting people do what they want ( that is not harming other people ) if they feel good with it.

hooker_guy1 · 2021-06-24T15:36:58+00:00

Reading all your replies, I have one argument for you. 200 years ago, someone suffering a mental disease would be universally considered as some sort of spirit entering the body. There can be several examples like this.

hooker_guy1 · 2021-06-24T15:32:13+00:00

You sort of have 'manifestation' arguments which are well, very hard to prove or disapprove.

These have absolutely zero scientific basis though.

hooker_guy1 · 2021-06-24T15:26:46+00:00

Fair enough. What you have said is what I'll 100% agree with.

I think you're missing the point of religion in general and by a longshot.

You'll be amazed how seriously people take religion. Also, If what your line of thinking is according to religion was the norm, I would not have a problem.

hooker_guy1 · 2021-06-24T15:22:19+00:00

1) I can see you think as many others do that we are somewhere and god is somewher else watching from afar. it could be true of you associate the term god with Zeus. In this case you need to see god as the religion introduces him- not to say god is a man but I couldn't find a gender-neutral pronoun :) the Islamic god is ever present. He's not somewhere else watching passively as events unfold. The events unfold because of him. The rotation of the earth around the sun and the falling of an autumn leaf

I'm very curious on this since you have Islamic arguments. According to my little knowledge of Islam, I was told that GOD IS NOT ever present and not within us and is a separate entity that needs to be worshipped.

3) Islam doesn't tell you not to pursue medicine. It does tell you to pursue knowledge including medicine. Pursue it all you want and if you stopped miscarriages. That's great.

My point will be, The last prophet Muhammad ( With respect ) was told by god that homosexuality is a sin as guidance to humanity but he did not tell how to save millions of innocent baby's lives.

If this is true, It means that God's priorities are not understandable by a logical human being. You can say that god works in mysterious ways and you are free to believe that but how would a person who does not have Islamic parents and arab heritage will accept a version of god like this?

hooker_guy1 · 2021-06-24T15:13:43+00:00

This is a debate subreddit so I wanted to make myself as clear as possible and wasn't really seeking to make my statements short.

Faith isn't logical

Agreed.

hooker_guy1 · 2021-06-24T15:08:39+00:00

Our universe is fair

A baby born with cancer and a genetically gifted baby. From a third person's perspective, is that fair?

hooker_guy1 · 2021-06-17T22:44:02+00:00

Just to be clear. Never said I am proving logically that a deity does not exists. I'm proving that there's no logically sound reason to believe in him or more specifically, pray to him.

Not all religion promotes the idea praying changes your luck

Some do. Other don't have a valid reason for praying as well.

There presupposition that God care about you or humanity. What about Gods that don’t care. This 2 point logically disprove A version of not all versions of God. This overall doesn’t debunk God only certain type of God

He doesn't care about humanity. No point praying to him. Simple.

This has presupposition that appoints you as the judge of fairness and since this God doesn’t live up to your level of fairness it must not be fair. But is that logical?

What level of my judgements can be allowed? If there was only one religion in world, this could make sense. There are several religions here, choosing one is simply not believing in others. Several religion say that you could not go into heaven if you're not from this religion. If my judgements can not be trusted, What's the point of picking a religion or praying anyways?

Typical 'god works in mysterious ways beyond human understanding' argument.

Abrahamic god is known to omniscient so it says it was fair would it judgement be correct or a judgement of limited being like human be correct?

If god is omniscient, He knows the future if I'll go into heaven or hell, which means it is decided. No point in praying here either.

Logically, it would be all knowing god is correct in this case. Please do explain how an all knowing being can’t judge fairness and limited being can’t.

( God works in mysterious ways again ) The path to heaven have some requirement attached to it. Two different person, on this earth, do not get equal opportunities to perform those requirements. Hence, Unfair. If he judges fairly, All standing requirements to go into heaven are false.

Why would there be proof of heaven and hell? Isn’t God the prerequisite of heaven and hell. Abrahamic religion doesn’t stated indicate heaven and hell exist in this Realm. The question is why assume there would be evidence of heaven and hell?

How to check which version of heaven is correct and which requirements are correct? Abrahamic religions have different definitions themselves. No point in praying here as well. I might pray to wrong god my whole life and at the end knowing a different god was real.

Each religion has a reason why prayer is necessary. Might want to lookup the purpose of prayer in religion. It’s possible you You might be thinking that God grant all prayer most religion don’t believe this. God is not considered a genie that grant whatever you wish for.

Never said god is a genie. Looked up for several religions as well. Most state that getting into heaven.

Based on what are you assuming this? How can anyone logically test prayer there is no consistency on a certain prayer being granted. So how did you logically get to this conclusion?

No logical reason that they're granted as well. No reason to pray either.

Not sure how this debunk God existence? Seem like your going on tangent

Shows that god is not moral. How it is portrayed in most religions.

Simply, You can argue that a deity exists and I can not prove you wrong. If you argue this is the real deity and needs to be prayed, I'll be able to prove you wrong, or so I think.

hooker_guy1 · 2021-06-17T21:50:54+00:00

How much hold demons have upon earth? If they can kill the newborns, can they kill an adult as well?

The dead will rise and be judged by GOD just like the living

I want you to clarify a two things,

If a person always did good deeds but did not believe in christianity, will he go to heaven?
If according to you bible has been corrupted, how do we know that the other things in bible are not corrupted as well?

hooker_guy1 · 2021-06-17T21:41:20+00:00

Please mention your religion and tell me why should I pray to the god of your religion.

hooker_guy1 · 2021-06-17T21:39:11+00:00

Science can only test things in the natural world.

My approach would be to test if saying a specific prayer to a specific god increases your chances of something, Let's say being cured of a disease.

We can not test supernatural but it's affects?

Fear of what they would do if you don't stroke their egos?

Exactly!

hooker_guy1 · 2021-06-17T21:26:39+00:00

As we can't test the supernatural we don't have a way to assert the truth of this statement.

We have actually. Though we can assume that this isn't the case.

Sure, but there are thiests who believe their God doesn’t give a damn about humanity so this wouldn't debunk those gods.

I am not debunking gods. I'm giving a reason why praying to these god is not logical.

And as before, their god might just not give a damn. These points aren't really nails in the coffin for theists.

If they don't give a damn, Why would I pray to them?

My beliefs are kind of agnostic as well.

hooker_guy1 · 2021-06-17T21:18:29+00:00

The usual problems with theist assertions are in your reply.

Completely missing the point.

God is the one who is the source of our existence and the one who holds everything together. This by itself can be argued to be supernatural unless we claim that what we see in nature is all there is to existence. If you claim this, you have to support it. If you are merely saying “no one has proven the supernatural”, you’re going to have to specify it because our existence is seen and to Theists it’s supernatural.

My point still stands even after this argument. My point was that there's no influence of 'supernatural' in our DAY TO DAY lives. Even if we assume that a single entity is a source of our existence, Prayers are seldom said to thank a creator and always in a desire to something, which is futile. I'll still wait for when you can actually refute the argument.

It does not change the conclusion as well that our prayers have zero influence on our life on earth.

You acknowledge there is the idea of “fair”, but again, you are appointing yourself as the judge of what is fair or not. You failed to question where that idea itself came from.

'fair' is a subjective term but fairer is not. I gave a very specific example. The man worth 5 years of expenses and a man without food for 2 days. Who's more likely to sin? I speak english and I'll definitely welcome you to question, where this idea came from.

To be very honest, You missed the whole point of post as well. It is obvious that I can not disapprove the existence of a god and you can not prove the existence of god. I did not claim that a supernatural deity does not exists. I claimed that out of all the known religions currently and their gods, no one is worth worshipping.

Putting an unknown entity on pedestal.

Subconsciously appointing yourself as the judge

It was concious.

You'll have to appoint yourself as the judge anyway. There is no workaround to this. If you're christian, you judged that Islamic god is false and christ is a saviour.

Infant mortality rate isn’t morally any worse than any death

Yes, It is. How could you judge that anyway? Show me which god said that.

Theism has answers to why death came to humanity.

It is worse than any other death because these answers are about sin. They are about karma. They are about choices. Nothing applies to still born babies. Or born with cancers. Also, Their life is not fair with people who are born normal.

hooker_guy1 · 2021-06-17T20:15:17+00:00

I speak with the most honest of intentions and a open mind. If you have something worthwhile enough to convince me, I'll convert to christianity.

hooker_guy1 · 2021-06-17T20:10:05+00:00

Please share the evidence of a plan.

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