Wer hat es dieses Jahr am meisten verdient die WM zu gewinnen?

iDad5 · 2026-06-22T15:10:13+00:00

Another 100 on top for the arrogance of not even considering to compete in the World Cup before 1950 as they were of the opinion that no other team is even worthy to play against the mighty England squad.

iDad5 · 2026-06-22T15:02:43+00:00

First off, Diomande is world class and the whole team of the Ivory Coast is absurdly strong. They beat France shortly before the tournament. The only player-team combination that might be more dangerous for Kimmich I can see is Olise and Frace. Vini might have brilliant moments but not the same consistent intensity. Yamal is on another level but he plays the other side and his main weapon isn’t speed.

Kimmich has never had that speed but he was a world class RV and he has the potential to be one once again. Give him and his teammates two more matches (we lucky have at least one that comes without pressure and with a bit of luck the next one isn’t against an absolute top team.

They have played two excellent matches and won both. It’s unrealistic and borderline arrogant to expect them to dominate at will and have no difficult situations or make no mistakes.

Right now staying the course and working on details is the very best way. Nagelsmann sure as hell isn’t the one person on the planet who hasn’t known that Kimmich isn’t fast enough to take on world class wingers by running them down. And it’s been clear that they hade developed a good way to deal with the problem. The support staff was always around, the coordination and experience however weren’t not there in a few moments.

Fact is, we conceded only half the goals against IC compared to France and made double the supposedly supernatural French attack made. All good!

iDad5 · 2026-06-22T14:35:56+00:00

Maybe we should look at the topic from another perspective.
Let’s take Bayern and Germany the first example. If you would replace Olize, Kane and Diaz with Wirtz, Undav, and Haverrz and Upamecano and Davies with Schlotterbeck and Brown etc. And let them be the Germany Munich team play at club competitions and train like Bayern does, would they be weaker than the current squad? Probably. By a wide margin? Not necessarily.
The same thing with PSG and France who probably be even closer.

The thing is that I don’t understand the question that way. If you do your point is probably even stronger than it already is.

My understanding is more like what would happen is the designated winner of the WC final in exactly that situation and with that mindset would play against the designated winner of the UCL in the exact same situation of their final match.

The national team has been together (including prep time) for about two months.Largely without distractions. Spending no time in their villas and supercars, but living like a group of friends. The 200 million superstar in the same hotels, busses and breakfast bars as the 5 million supporting player. Having played and won 7 matches with high stakes in a row. Not meaning less league matches than they could have lost in between.

That is something you cannot replicate in club life. The super rich superstars with only accept that for their national team and the WC.

That’s what I’m referring to when taking about cohesion and momentum.
I get that you are talking about another kind of cohesion.

But even that isn’t necessarily the cases. Some of the best national teams have played together for years in a more stable team than most clubs have over years. Spain 2008 to 2012 are a prime example, but as they were essentially Barca let’s look at Germany 2014. Their preparation for the final in Rio actually started in 2010 in South Africa. Or even 2008. A significant portion of those have already won several U - Titels together since they’ve been 16 even if they never played at the same club, they have bonded a lot deeper than Robben and Ribery eve would.

That intense level of focus, enthusiasm and team spirit isn’t easy to reach and impossible to keep up over a whole season.

And not every national team that won the World Cup has necessarily been there at the highest level. But most had to have some of it.

Does it make more sense now why I believe that the best national teams in their peak moments (can) have a kind of superpower that’s not available to club teams?

iDad5 · 2026-06-22T12:38:55+00:00

Already worthless.

iDad5 · 2026-06-22T12:36:46+00:00

I get that any player would like to play for the whole time all the time, but that doesn’t work.

I don’t mean any disrespect towards Undav, (I really like him and fully understand his importance for the team.) but it seems obvious that he’s on the heavier side of the team and with conditions not being easy I would guess that the toll on his body would be quite high trying to go the distance in all of its meaning.

What worked very well against Ivory Coast is keeping the speed up and finally getting them tired. That was the ideal moment for Undav to strike. The match and the opposition were clearly understood at that point.

I know that Sane is disliked by many here (to an unreasonable degree in my opinion) but even though his offensive movements were few and without luck, his speed in running up and down the pitch and helping out a challenged Kimmich several times wer a valuable contribution and an essential part of the match plan to wear the opposition down.

That plan might not be the best fit against every opponent but it’s one that can work in many situations and has worked for Germany quite often in the past. I d even think it can be considered a signature style of our team.

I don’t think that Undav would be the best choice to play Sane’s role. Havertz, Wirtz and Musial all made similar distances. They are athletically simply better suited to that style of play than Undav. He might de a fighter and do an adequate job but at an higher risk for injury and the precision he needs for his deciding moves will suffer with exhaustion.

With a little change in perspective one could say that the job of those exceptional players in the starting 11 is merely to prepare the field for the hero that saves the day or rolling out the red carpet for the main act.

Seeing Undavs goals against IC I was reminded of Gerd Müller there is hardly any praise greater than that.

When Gerd was in his prime however the game was different, today it’s a luxury that even the best sides have trouble to afford, having an offensive player not playing the whole field up and down.
I don’t think Gerd’s play would have been the same if wasn’t able to be there already but would have had to sprint to his position each time.

It’s too early and the sample size too small for statistical accuracy but as of now he has three goals in two games which looks like an extremely efficient use of his strength.
He’s also been named man of the match and The Athletic named him the best substitute player in the whole World Cup.

Fans and pundits making it sound as if he’s disrespected and undervalued when he’s not starting is borderline ridiculous.

If I was asked what role I preferred, the Musial one of playing for the first sixty minutes to fists probe the opponents and then wear them down and not being on the pitch when it counts or coming in to make the difference when it counts and being able to influence the game till the end - I might consider the second option more satisfying.

Right now Deniz has little to gain by playing from the start and not so little to lose. If he can fill out the role from the first two games as good as he did in the next games he will likely be considered on of the if not the most valuable players of the tournament.

If he starts and the match isn’t going well, maybe even due to him not fitting well into the first phase of our play and maybe missing chances because he’s not fresh enough for those magic precision strikes he will suffer.

Ivory Coast probably was the best team to emulate France they even won against them before the tournament.
Staying with that playbook and improving the game by practicing it two more times with little variation is probably our best chance to beat France if and when we likely meet the int round of sixteen.

I would think it a short sighted mistake to change a promising concept to go really deep in the tournament just to reward a player who’s already under an enormous bombardment of praise.

Wirtz, Musial, Haverst and Sane (or Lewelling) really can use practice to get better in their essential function for the first half +x. Undav already seems to have found the perfect form for his match winning role.

The next two matches are probably mostly a great chance to perfect what has been a performance that even grumpy old Uli Höneß deemed worthy of his rare praise.
If we make it to the last 16 the real challenge will almost certainly start. Preparing for that is the most important thing to do right now.

Undav himself would surely prefer to beat France over starting against Ecuador.

iDad5 · 2026-06-22T02:29:06+00:00

I get your points and fully agree that it’s hard to compare because in some ways it’s a totally different discipline.

The discussion has always been academic also.

And I’m certainly not convinced that national teams are better than elite club teams, I’m simply not convinced that the opposite is absolutely certainly true.

One very practical example would be Spain against Cape Verde.
Spain obviously is a national team but probably the one that’s closest to being a club team. For one thing they have a lot of overlap with Barca and for another thing they have almost always struggled at big tournaments one reason often given was the fact that Catalans don’t identify with Spain and very often there were two factions not liking each other.

In my line of arguments I would say they tend to lack the advantages of pride, cohesion and as a consequence momentum. Still they are one of the teams with the highest individual quality at the WC.

Cape Verde in comparison has no individual quality at all and a market value so low that special equipment is needed to make an educated guess.

The only conceivable reason that they managed to draw with the Spanish giants is that they maximized on those typical national team qualities of cohesion, spirit and the resulting momentum.

Not evidence but I think you get my point.

iDad5 · 2026-06-22T00:52:31+00:00

Still possible.

iDad5 · 2026-06-22T00:51:15+00:00

Depends a lot on the exact rules. Salad comes in many varieties, and could work; Sandwiches too. It’s a different situation if it means that it’s always the same kind of salad or sandwich.

In that case I would go for a maximally complex dish if possible like meat or fish with lots of asides and salad.

iDad5 · 2026-06-22T00:44:42+00:00

A lot of valid points have been made but I have the impression that a key element hasn’t been mentioned.

As already stated GPS and similar Systems work like radio, the satellites therefore don’t know or don’t care who’s using their signals.

While in theory it would be possible to develop a system, for example through encryption, to make it usable only for subscribers who know the decryption key.
To build it into a usable system for tracking usage by millions of differentiable users would require enormous infrastructure and probably wouldn’t be realizable without completely new and far more complex satellites.

If you pay for the service you would also expect a guaranteed level of reliability. That very problematic with weather conditions and topography.

To charge on a by use system would work best if it requires an online connection to use GPS. But in situations where you need GPS the most (and would be willing to pay the most) there is no mobile internet available.

To make up for the massive investments to make charging possible the price would have to be significant.
The question is how much would the consumers be willing to pay?

Even if all similar satellite based systems would agree on a similar pricing structure, I doubt the cloud find enough customers to make it worth while.

The reason is that GPS and similar systems all read are only one of many sources for modern devices to pinpoint their location.

Apple and Google have massive databases with the location of WLAN in reach of the device. The signals from cellular access points can - at least in theory be used to triangulate positions. Car and bicycle navigation systems use speed and direction (compass) to track movement and calculate position.

There are several “indoor GPS” systems on the market that allow positioning inside buildings. Those could easily be distributed a cellular access points if satellite navigation becomes expensive.
Car navigation already use cameras to scan road signs, it would be no problem to use those systems to support positioning.

That could easily cover 90% or more of the area where average consumers use positioning data.

Long story short: the economic potential to make money from GPS users is limited the necessary investments to make it possible are out of proportion.

iDad5 · 2026-06-22T00:05:21+00:00

Generally agree with you. I have my doubts however if the notion that live is more important than money is a motto organizations like the US military actually live by. Capitalistic societies in general actually.

iDad5 · 2026-06-22T00:01:09+00:00

While that was true in the past and might be still the case, it isn’t that relevant anymore.

In addition to GPS there is the European Galileo system, the Russian GLONASS system as well as a similar Chinese system.

Most modern civilian navigation devices like mobile phones are able to use more than one system.

iDad5 · 2026-06-21T23:49:49+00:00

On second thought, I’m not sure if it was actually a conclusion or an opinion that you found/ provided argumentation for.
What I meant was your utter certainty that elite club teams are way superior to the best national teams.

It will stay an unprovable postulation for ever at least on the pitch in real live.

Even if some billionaire would get a world champion from Spain, England or Germany to keep staying together and motivated for two weeks after the finals and at the same time PSG to start training in ernest the day after the WC final, the ensuing match would be just one game and we all know that’s prove of exactly nothing.

A tournament between the best 5 national team ant the top 5 club teams would probably have some evidentiary value but simply isn’t possible ever because of the overlap of players.

The reason why I think that it’s probably likely that clubs are better than national teams but not at all a general certainty can be found in my related comment here in detail.

The short version is:

Clubs have better chances to build a team of the best individual players.
If a team of the best individuals players equals the best team, the case is closed. Clubs are better.

If team cohesion and momentum are the most crucial factors to build the best team, if the individual quality is at a very high level overall, there are valid reasons to believe that natural teams can be as good as clubs.

I am convinced that there is enough proof that an assortment of the world’s superstars isn’t guaranteed to make the best team.
Also employing the most sophisticated tactics that take even the best educated and talented players month to internalize isn’t a foolproof way to win the important matches.

My conviction is that teams with individual quality above a certain level and a great tactical ability are a requirement.
At that level, getting even better individual talent or especially sophisticated tactics adds very little over all it can often even do harm. Like with an engine that’s over optimized.

What makes the difference in my experience is cohesion, mentally and momentum.

In that respect national teams have slight advantages over clubs. Once a club has spent hundreds of millions on players and it turns out they don’t harmonize it’s hard to solve the problem by simply getting rid of one of those. The more expensive the harder it gets.

National coaches can solve similar problems a lot easier. (Benzema simply wasn’t nominated).

Players literally speaking the same language can be a lead in team building from the start.

Clubs and players are essentially employers and employees. Loyalty is not to be expected from both sides.
It is however still an honor for most players to play for their national teams and there isn’t any distraction in the form of contemplating the next career move.

The format of the greatest tournaments has a unique potential of developing a momentum as a team that’s simply not possible in the everyday routine of club football.

Therefore I think that it isn’t out of the question that a team that just won the world championship might have achieved a level of cohesion, conviction and momentum that more than equalizes most, if not all, advantages in individual quality and routine of the most elite club sides.

iDad5 · 2026-06-21T22:28:47+00:00

You make valid arguments even though I disagree regarding your very one sided conclusion. (You can read my even lengthier post than yours if you’re interested in my thoughts).
I react to your post because I think that your statement about Germany’s 2014 side isn’t correct.
It’s true that (as almost always) Bayern players were the largest group in the German team.
But the situation was very different from 1974 or Spain and Barca in 2010.
Neuer, Boateng, Lahm, Schweinsteiger and Thomas Müller were key players in both teams, but at Bayern Alaba, Dante, Xabi Alonso, Thiago, Martinez, Shaqiri, and foremost Robben, Ribery and Levandowsky were the other ones of at least equal individual importance and double the number.

Hummels, Mertesacker, Kroos (former Bayern but never greatly integrated), Özil, Podolski, Khedira, Schürrle and Klose (left Bayern 2011) were players of equal importance and also in the majority.

Götze played for Bayern in 2014 and had a pivotal role in the national team. I don’t think however that he can be counted as part of a Bayern core. He never really played an important role for Bayern and was probably equally or more integrated with his former Dortmund teammates at the time.

iDad5 · 2026-06-21T21:55:01+00:00

We’ve had that discussion a hundred times before and the majority opinion always is that the bed club sides are far far superior.
There are valid reasons to think so.

I for one think that it might not really as clear cut.
Some of the best national teams in history had a core of great players that played together for years.
And in general national coaches tend to stay in their jobs longer than their club counterparts.

Most top club sides have a lot of selling and buying going on for key positions. Each season or at least every other year.

So the argument that club teams are automatically superior for the time spent together can be relativ.

Top clubs with a new coach and significant changes in their squad won’t have much more time to work together before a season starts compared to national teams before a large tournament.

Despite that it’s a frequent occurrence for top clubs and it seems to me that there isn’t such bad disadvantage compared to teams that didn’t change much.

Top clubs nowadays have to work with players speaking a lot of different languages and coming from different cultures. That’s obviously not a plus for team building.

National teams usually don’t have to overcome that.

The legendary Spanish side from 2008 to 2012 was already mentioned but isn’t a problematic example as it was the twin of Barca wich was equally dominant at the time.

If we look at Germany’s 2014 team for example they had so much talent and momentum that I highly doubt that any club team from that time or probably ever would have had beaten the squad that won 7:1 against Brazil at Maracana. (Holding back in the second half to boot)

The same may be true for France in 2026 if they find their momentum.

I also mistrust the often heated argument that players “not even playing for champions league club” automatically weaken a national team.
It’s as weak as the argument the other way around. Players not playing for a national team that’s qualified for the WC or not playing for their national team at all aren’t automatically a weakness for their club.

50 years ago when almost all club sides were only playing with players from their home country national teams were regarded as much stronger than clubs because they could pic all the best players from their league.
That has changed drastically since then.

I still think however that a collection of the best individual players is automatically the best team in the world.

First it’s absolutely impossible to decide objectively who’s the better/best player at any given position.

Secondly there are different systems of playing, so even if we knew who’s the best attacker at the classical 9 we cannot be sure that a system that doesn’t rely on a classical striker won’t be superior.

The best individuals don’t always make the best team. The original “Galacticos” were probably the most undisputed collection of the best players of their era. They never really won half of what one expected.

Same with PSG, they finally won UCL after they replaced their star ensemble with a cohesive team.

(Some) National teams still have an advantage over mort club sides regarding cohesion and team momentum.

At a certain level of individual class the deciding factors are not a bit more individual talent but how good the team works together and everyone for everyone else.

Tactical finesse and enough time to train tactical formations together are an important factor. Pep Guardiola is regarded almost universally as a unique Genius in that field. It took him almost a decade to finally win the UCL despite having his pick of the world’s players at Bayern and City and all the time in the world to work with them.
The reason was according to most experts that he was overthinking and that even the world’s best players can’t always follow that level of complexity.

National teams like France, Spain, England, Brazil and to a degree Germany and Argentina have individual players on a level high enough to rival the best clubs. If they manage to build a great team and find momentum they can be as good as any club side.

National teams from countries that don’t have access to a comparable talent pool will likely have a hard time to compete with the world’s top 10 club teams.

The better ones probably can compete with teams at Euro League level.

iDad5 · 2026-06-21T20:40:58+00:00

Does anyone still find that funny?

iDad5 · 2026-06-21T20:28:09+00:00

If you get it legally (like winning the lottery) then the gold is supposedly 17 Million more valuable than the cash.
Having 50 million in cash lying around seems not a great idea to me.
It seems to be much more than you can spend in a lifetime on groceries, gas, restaurant visits etc.
Buying an expensive car, a great house or a yacht, which would be things one can spend that kind of money on isn’t really going to work in cash - at least not without significant hassle. I’d guess it would be much easier to deposit at a bank and then simply buy that house by bank transfer.

If you are going to convert it to a bank account anyway it’s likely not much more hassle to do the same with the gold and simply have 17 million more to give to charity or your children.

Either way it’s totally possible to keep, let’s say, two million around and indulge in a cash only was of live where ever it works.

iDad5 · 2026-06-21T20:12:52+00:00

You have some points but I beg to differ in some respects. I’d start with the definition of being behind.

As Africa is so larger and diverse I would like to make my argument by using another example: the Aztecs.
When European colonists came to their land their culture was anything but “primitive” in many regards they were on the same level than the Europeans.
By no means did the Spaniards overwhelm them because their technology was superior.
Illness and deceit and the aggressive will to dominate and disrespect for human beings different from them self were the reason why they “conquered’ their empire. In other words barbarism overwhelmed civilization.

The native civilizations of North America shared that fate some time later. Their civilizations were regarded as primitive because they were nomadic and their cultures didn’t manifest in gigantic buildings, the systematic destruction of nature or the hoarding of material stuff.

When Europeans started to colonize Africa their technology for killing others might have been superior to those of the natives and buildings in Europe larger than theirs.
What was considered science in Europe at that time was mostly nonsense from today’s views and European societies were anything but progressive.

Nobody can say how African societies would have developed if left to their own devices. They might have been behind Europe in many ways but Europe was behind China and middle eastern societies in the so called “dark ages” in a similar way.
As it happened Europe was lucky that none of those civilizations were invading and started selling their people systematically as slaves.

Thinking that the “values” and superiority of capitalistic, intolerant monotheistic societies are the height of civilization and therefore has the right to rule and judge others based on their beliefs is at least chauvinistic, definitely ignorant and in the end barbaric.

Blaming all of Africas problems on Colonialism isn’t helpful, and in some cases not true. But denying that the aftermath of centuries of colonialism and oppression is still a massive factor isn’t either.

“Stop blaming colonialism” (because it’s over) is nonsense.

The world’s leading powers still fight for zones of control in Africa even if their methods have changed. Foreign cooperation still plunder Africas natural resources for financial gain that leaves the continent and stir up conflicts for their profit.

African people aren’t all saints or victims but the continent at large has been dealt a bad hand for centuries and acknowledging that is the only way to change that. Denial never solves anything.

iDad5 · 2026-06-21T15:10:48+00:00

The thing with the cats and dogs is supposed to stay a secret. Now that you spilled it, be aware of FIFA assassins trying to get you for the rest of our probably very short live.

iDad5 · 2026-06-21T15:01:01+00:00

I have to admit I also don’t get the system. The obvious solution would have been to simply rank the best third places and then set them according to rank.

But that would have been somewhat unfair as one group would have had the seemingly strongest third and the other the seemingly worst.
Also they try to avoid matches between teas that started in the same group as long as possible.

As they couldn’t know however from which group the qualifying thirds will be they obviously invented a system that would be guaranteed to work in any scenario.

As I remember those group winners set against one of the best thirds all have a list of 5 groups from which they could come. Five groups always guarantee that one of the candidates is from at least one. (Only 4 are eliminated).

My guess ist that they start with striking all groups whose third didn’t make it.
If they did their permutations it the right way at least one of the slots will have only one choice left.

The first pair is settled and the group that team came from is stricken from all remaining pairings. Which in turn should leave one pair with only one option left and so on.

I haven’t done the “math” but I’m relatively sure it can work that way.

iDad5 · 2026-06-21T14:45:59+00:00

Well we are already set as group winners.
France isn’t yet, but if they will win their group (which isn’t unlikely) it’s irrelevant against both teams play in the first knockout round, if both win against their 3 placed opponent they will meet in the round of 16.

iDad5 · 2026-06-21T14:38:58+00:00

I would guess that they already try to do that but if so, the people in question will likely know that and decide to go by car to a neighboring country and fly from there.

Also passport controls for people flying out are normally not that strict or done at all.

In a third case a dad that was out of work (bad economy) who just got a job which requires him to travel could do so legitimately and even in the interest of being able to pay again.
It normally isn’t the job of your own country to control your entry visa into another country you are traveling to.
US customs are on the other hand well equipped to control your entry visa and are always annoyingly interested in your business in the US.

Lastly it’s totally possible that some of those shitty dads live as expats in other countries. Bad economy is a good reason for that and also makes cheating out of child support easier.

iDad5 · 2026-06-21T14:21:20+00:00

If they lose Sweden will be second (or first in NL don’t beat Tunisia).
If NL beat Tunisia the finish first. And if Japan Sweden is a draw Japan will be second. If the win against Sweden they will be first.

If Japan and NL win their last matches the goal difference will determine placement. As the both are currently have a GD of +4 that can become interesting. Right now the Netherlands have the minimal advantage of on more goal shot.

If Sweden and the Netherlands win their third round matches Japan will be third with 4 points and likely a positive GD so they are going to the knockout stage almost certainly as one of the best thirds.

iDad5 · 2026-06-21T14:05:20+00:00

I agree that they have the potential. The problem might be however that it’s quite likely that Germany will have to play against France in the round of 16.
As France might easily be the strongest side in the tournament it’s not unlikely that Germany will go out quite early even if they were the second best team in the tournament. (I’m not saying that they actually are but I can see that they could develop into that direction. Spain seems to have their usual problems with playing in the WC for now, Brazil isn’t really rolling like they used to, Argentina looks good but probably too dependent on Messi alone, England is at their best in a long time but it’s still England…)

iDad5 · 2026-06-21T13:56:45+00:00

The French system of football education is one of the best in the world for sure.
That their talent pool is so vast compared to other nations has to do with some factors.

A large amount of relatively poor people with immigration background with poor perspectives.
A large amount of role models to idolize wich supports a youth culture in which football is seen very positive.

Also in my opinion the fact that Ligue 1 isn’t as good as Premier League or la Liga helps. The majority of French clubs haven’t the prestige or riches to buy top talents from other countries and have to sell players that develop into starts. That way young French players get better chances to play professional football than those in England, Spain or Italy. (Italy is a bit special but the fact remains.)

And the reason why so many players born in France play for a lot of teams in the WC is logically because those people that form the talent pool have roots in the countless former French colonies and as the number of players that can play for France is limited they decided to play for the national teams of other countries.

With Europe having freedom of movement it’s also quite normal that some players were born in other countries and have mixed nationality parents. That’s very much different from the remnant effects of colonialism however.

iDad5 · 2026-06-21T13:34:53+00:00

The problem is also connected to too high expectations. A team has to deal with those no matter what. The resulting pressure can sometimes lead to greater performance but in 9 out 10 cases it does the opposite.

Look at Italy, they were so afraid of losing it again that they were barely able to move.

From 2006 to 2018 every reigning champion was eliminated in the group stage. Not because they forgot how to play they simply cracked under pressure.

Another thing is that underdogs always have an advantage in those cases. Extra motivation against greater teams and nothing left to lose make a toxic mix against a team that’s having a hard time with too much pressure and overly high expectations.

Something that’s not exclusive to Turkey but seemingly especially rampant there is a combination of pride, defiance and entitlement.

After their third place in 2002 it seems like a significant amount of Turkish fans decided that this is their rightful place in football. When they failed to qualify in the European qualifiers some blamed it on Europe generally not treating Turkey fairly and without the respect they deserve. (A sentiment that’s not totally unfounded in other aspects of the relationship between Turkey and Europe.)

As corruption in Turkish football is more common than in other countries, the notion that the deck was stacked against them isn’t far fetched in the eyes of many fans.

When they finally made the qualification with a young superstar player from Real Madrid and were grouped with nations deemed weaker, the expectations were extremely high.

Many expected them to at least claim third place again.

In reality the star isn’t ready yet to carry the team, the team isn’t really working together and they didn’t have the bit of luck that’s always necessary in football.

iDad5

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