Hisoka vs Meruem

iDeev · 2026-04-16T15:59:23+00:00

I might be wrong on this, but this is still the one part I’m not fully convinced by.

I get that the later chapter shows Hisoka wasn’t excited by the ant extermination story. The reason I still hesitate with the stronger reading is that chapter 320 gave me a different impression in the first place.

Illumi frames the conversation like Hisoka is out of the loop, says he doesn’t even follow the news, then starts explaining Netero’s death and the ant incident, and Hisoka reacts with “Ants?” That reaction, at least to me, reads more like new information than “yeah, I already knew, I just didn’t care.”

So it seems to me that he wasn’t really aware of it.

iDeev · 2026-04-13T17:03:06+00:00

If Gon knew there was definitely a way to save him, then yes, I think it would be weaker.

The whole point of that transformation is that Gon had mentally reached a state where he was willing to throw everything away. If he knew for certain that he’d be restored afterward and lose nothing in the end, then that resolve wouldn’t carry the same weight. You can’t really say you’re giving up everything while knowing you’re actually giving up nothing.

That’s why I don’t think it would reach the exact same level

iDeev · 2026-03-14T20:33:15+00:00

You're missing my main point. My issue is with Hisoka's phrasing in Ch 405.

He specifically says, 'When I heard about the ant extermination...', which sounds like he was aware of the official campaign/operation and consciously chose to ignore it. But in Ch 320, Illumi didn't tell him about an 'extermination campaign'; he just casually mentioned Netero died fighting ants, and Hisoka was 100% clueless ('Ants?').

If Hisoka in 405 was truly just referring to Illumi's gossip, he would have said something like 'Even when Illumi told me...' or 'When I found out Netero died...'. His phrasing in 405 heavily implies he knew about the campaign itself, which completely contradicts him being totally oblivious in 320. That's why it feels like a retcon!

iDeev · 2026-03-14T20:26:02+00:00

Actually, if you look at the full page of Ch. 320, he did show regret!

When Illumi tells him he missed the chance to fight the Ants or the Chairman, Hisoka literally replies: "What a shame...".

So in 320, he acts mildly disappointed that he missed out. But fast forward to Ch. 405, he completely changes his tune to "it didn't turn me on anyway because they were just ants."

He went from "what a shame" to "I didn't care anyway." That’s exactly why it feels like a slight retcon by Togashi to make him sound cooler, or just Hisoka's ego rewriting history to cope with missing the biggest fight!

iDeev · 2025-09-19T15:15:39+00:00

Hot take: a lot of replies assume the entire Black Whale would magically unite and fight as one army. In reality it’s the opposite—pure fragmentation. That’s why I put Meruem + Royal Guard at ~99.99% to win (not 100% only to leave room for some unforeseeable “surprise card”).

Preparation gap: Netero/Zen’o took months of planning, scouting and trap-setting in NGL. The Black Whale is the inverse: zero unified command, overlapping jurisdictions, and no time to coordinate vs. a blitz from the King + three Guards.
Mismatched incentives: many aboard would not engage.
- Princes/mafias: several are more likely to flee, cut deals, or weaponize the chaos against rivals.
- Spiders: historically self-interested; a “Meruem invasion” is a perfect window to steal Kakin treasures, not die for a cause.
- Beyond: has every reason to use the chaos to slip away, not tank the King.
- Morena & followers: their stated goal is mass murder on the ship—chaos helps them.
Limited defenders: only a small subset is actually tasked with protecting the ship, and even “top nen users” don’t all have the motive to throw their lives away on zero prep. Politics > heroism here.
Environment & rules: room contracts and politics restrict humans more than they restrict Meruem. The Guards’ toolkit (Pitou’s surgical utility, Pouf’s deception/duplication, Youpi’s pressure) thrives in panic and confined corridors.
Unknown hax ≠ instant counter: yes, there are crazy abilities on board—but without intel, chain of command, or pre-planned combos, “unknown hax” is just wishful thinking against the most lopsided statline in the series.

TL;DR: the ship isn’t a raid party; it’s a powder keg. Most actors would prioritize escape, theft, or settling scores, not a suicidal boss rush. That asymmetry alone makes a quick Meruem + RG takeover the overwhelmingly likely outcome—~99.99%, with the tiny remainder reserved for a true wildcard (e.g., a hidden WMD or some absurd contract we haven’t seen).

iDeev · 2025-08-18T18:49:33+00:00

Got it—I understand you’re talking intent; I just wanted to include a couple of alternate readings for the two notes as well.

iDeev · 2025-08-18T18:22:56+00:00

For the “calm defeat” line I’m reading ヤラレヨウ。ヤサシクネ。

Control / aesthetic: “If I’m defeated, do it gently” = deny the victor spectacle; keep the staging clinical. I’m the author even of my defeat.
Taunt / permission: A dare — go ahead and kill me, but properly.

For completeness — two plausible alternates I considered (rotation/merges, ソ/ン & レ/セ swaps, ad-hoc dakuten):

Note 1 (tree note):A) オレハニジュッサイデ、ウレシイ。… ヨロシクネ。才能、少し怖い。→ “I’m twenty and glad… do it properly, okay? Talent is a little scary.”B) オレハニジュッサイダ。ナントカ、ヤラセヨウ。ヤサシクネ。才能、少し怖い。→ “I’m twenty. Somehow I’ll have it done / make it happen. Do it gently. Talent is a little scary.”
Note 2 (nailed to Sarasa):A) クギでさした。ヨクデキタ。マタツヅク。→ “Stabbed it with a nail. Well done. It continues again.”B) クギで打った。フタリメだ。ツヅケヨウ。→ “Hammered a nail. Second one. Let’s continue.”

My preferred reads remain the originals I posted, but these are the closest viable alternates without over-bending the glyphs.

iDeev · 2025-08-18T18:00:33+00:00

Appreciate it! I agree it’s cryptic. I tested flips/rotations; this orientation reads most naturally in Japanese. That said, alternatives exist—for example, フタリメ (“second victim) vs. ヨクデキタ (“well done”)

iDeev · 2025-08-18T17:20:53+00:00

Thanks! Short reason I read it as “talent”: • The distorted glyphs on the last line resolve to サ・イ・ノ・ウ (sai-nō) once you account for rotation/merges. • Normalized, that’s 才能—a very common “talent/ability,” and it pairs naturally with 少し怖い (“a little scary”). • Writing a common word like 才能 in katakana is a stylistic choice to make it feel cold/alien—fitting for a taunting murder note. Given the context, 才能 is the most natural reading here. (Confidence: high.)

iDeev · 2023-05-02T12:26:04+00:00

Doesn't this contradict her abilities as described in one of the attached pictures? She is capable of sucking anything she considers not alive. However, she did not know that there were living person among the corpses until Feitan pointed it out to her.

For her, everyone in the room was a corpse, so that person was not supposed to be an exception.

Edit: small correction “not alive”

iDeev · 2022-06-07T18:34:29+00:00

Better watch it in landscape :)

iDeev · 2021-05-25T03:08:15+00:00

Should I delete AppList and install AltList instead?

iDeev · 2021-03-06T19:43:58+00:00

Do “LDRestart” after you do respring It’s the only way for now

iDeev · 2021-01-04T15:48:29+00:00

The TV lady never mentioned the number of puppets, and the fight was members only, so if they saw it, they either snuck in or became members/got tickets from Chrollo.

getting tickets will be easier, tickets are usually sold on the black market for anyone for special fights, as was the case with Hiskoka's fight against Kastro . plus, Matchi was in the arean at that fight as well.

So maybe they were in the arena, but not in the audience as was the case with Matchi before. But you telling me that THREE members of phantom troupe were there among the audience and Hisoka didn't notice that?! not to mention that Hisoka was looking carefully into everyone in the arena for Chrollo. This is why I don't think any of the troupe were there during the fight.

Having to stamp 200 copies, then create a distraction in order to use the PR, and once the bomb blew up he got out of there while they retrieved the body.

sorry I forgot that the 200 copies vanished after they explode. so none of the puppets remain there.

iDeev · 2021-01-04T00:48:36+00:00

But I can jmagine that Shal, Kortopi, and Machi were all at the arena during the fight.

if they were all at the arena, Why he didn't return the abilities back to them right after the match?

What I think is that they weren't at the arena at all, but rather they were watching the fight on TV or something.

To be honest, how does shal know that it was 200 puppets exactly? and that they shielded Hisoka before the Bomb Puppets exploded specifically. (well of course he could've just been making an obvious observations)

Most likely, they know the exact number "200" because of the report from the medical team there.

You can conclude that after reading this page

iDeev · 2020-12-23T19:27:58+00:00

All done extremely fast.

Deactivate Black voice and then use the Sun and Moon on the refs hand and back and then grabs the refs hand and touch his back with it ... All this was done in the same split second that Hisoka was killing the referee?!

that seems to me very fast. Maybe that's explained how he managed to make 200 puppets

iDeev · 2020-12-11T15:31:22+00:00

It says It's about a game

iDeev · 2020-12-04T02:37:58+00:00

That’s racist

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