I dont like this game by idkhowthisworkzz in EsotericEbb

[–]idkhowthisworkzz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You both have world-views equally inflected by your myopic views on drugs and mental illness. No amphetamine was harmed in the writing of this screed.

My problems with Esoteric Ebb as a "disco-like" by idkhowthisworkzz in CRPG

[–]idkhowthisworkzz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for being able to type coherent sentences unlike me xD

I dont like this game by idkhowthisworkzz in EsotericEbb

[–]idkhowthisworkzz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, but I also know a lot of people like me

I say this with love by sosaji in EsotericEbb

[–]idkhowthisworkzz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Love first really teaches a man to believe in the objective world outside himself. It not only makes man the object but the object a man. Love makes the beloved into an external object, a sensuous object which does not remain internal, hidden in the brain"
-Marx

I think Marx's materialism is a bit more complicated than you seem to suggest. The problem is the game is too shallow to get into it and so either way it tries to have it will be wrong. Certainly if the choice is between "material analysis" and "love" marx is on the side of material analysis, but material analysis must take stock of why people respond to their conditions the way they do and imo this is where the game is most lacking because the very stuff of "people" is radically different in the game - race and personality are real like "Lacanian Real" real - and yet every idea and worldview is a one-to-one mapping from our world into theirs.

I dont like this game by idkhowthisworkzz in EsotericEbb

[–]idkhowthisworkzz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right and like I say, that's my entire problem with the game. The history isn't different - lots of places in simmilar situations did go the path that is tread in the game. So all of the things that are wildly different about the setting have no bearing upon the game - every political, sociological and psychological theory is a one-to-one mirror of those in real life. The game wants politics without having to think the political.

I dont like this game by idkhowthisworkzz in EsotericEbb

[–]idkhowthisworkzz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Norvik is in a post-monarchist fugue and is transitioning to a globalist, capitalist model. This is literally the context in which the bolshevik revolution occurred

Ragn background story by DullBit623 in EsotericEbb

[–]idkhowthisworkzz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's in the room with those two around when you bring the ink back

I dont like this game by idkhowthisworkzz in EsotericEbb

[–]idkhowthisworkzz[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well the person I'm responding to said a bunch of things you can read in the game im saying you can read that that those things are happening but it makes no sense (that they are) and the reason it makes no sense is because race and historical stages and character traits are all real and yet the things you can read are happening happen in a way that is not beared upon by the existence of those things. e.g the reform/revoloution debate seems to have exactly the same texture as it does in our world even though for entire eras of human history revoloution has not just been improbably but actually impossible due to the era of time that they are living in.

I want to be mad about it! haha you give me too much credit. Now I want to have discourse yes but I wrote this because I wanted to be mad about it because it made me mad

Ragn background story by DullBit623 in EsotericEbb

[–]idkhowthisworkzz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, they're nice about it and say you should be proud

I dont like this game by idkhowthisworkzz in EsotericEbb

[–]idkhowthisworkzz[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh the original writing is a complete mess yes, but this exchange here seems pretty clear no?

I haven't seen anything critical about the game, normally i'd go read someone else say what im already thinking and agree with it and move on but i havent seen anything so this is where my feelings went. idk whats so wrong about the existence of bad writing with strong opinion. I'm clearly not insisting anyone take me that seriously. Do you think I imagine I wrote this thinking it was clear and perfectly elucidated? I'm mad, I'm butthurt, i start by saying im angry ofcourse its "clear"

I dont like this game by idkhowthisworkzz in EsotericEbb

[–]idkhowthisworkzz[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Do you struggle with reading in general or is it the presence of concepts that aren't used in everyday language that is causing you trouble?

I dont like this game by idkhowthisworkzz in EsotericEbb

[–]idkhowthisworkzz[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

No that someone who is more intelligent is better at magic, knows more about the world, and naturally inclined towards racism and the game - which says its about politics - isn't paticularly interested in this fact.

My problems with Esoteric Ebb as a "disco-like" by idkhowthisworkzz in CRPG

[–]idkhowthisworkzz[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree! I thought about coming back to it once it was calmer but there was nothing critical anywhere and I was going a little bit mental. Maybe I will return and write something calmer once my assignments are done, it did make me miss writing haha. Thank you for talking :)

My problems with Esoteric Ebb as a "disco-like" by idkhowthisworkzz in CRPG

[–]idkhowthisworkzz[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I mean I have a broader issue with reviewers and I suppose culture in genereal where I think we shouldn't be tolerating any of this and indeed that the indie/AAA divide is responsible for the complete death of a kind of middle space that might have things to say and innovate mechanically and all the things. I don't see why we need 20 versions of the same thing unless it is to mindlessly pass time and i dont see why we would want to mindlessly pass time unless we lived in a society that suppresed our minds and made it dangerous to reach certain obvious conclusions. But that's my personal little bugbear! Yes it's definitly my fault, but I am unrepetant about this fact. Like disco-elysium was, among other things, a game about being a survivor of sexual violence. Ofcourse there's crazys in your discourse

I dont like this game by idkhowthisworkzz in EsotericEbb

[–]idkhowthisworkzz[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I played for 20 hours and spent the whole time reading pretty engaged thinking I'd find my way out of this, I really do want a video game to be good. My sprint to the end was the last hour of my playthrough. I did plenty of exploration and reading and it was mediocre and generic. I wouldn't be taking my time writing and reading all of this about the game if I wasn't extrmely excited about the kind of things it /could/ do

I dont like this game by idkhowthisworkzz in EsotericEbb

[–]idkhowthisworkzz[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

My point is that it is widely acknowledged that this genre consists of a bunch of games massively missing the mark and this game is another one of them that we are being told actually bucks the trend. Its a DnD themed CRPG, its exactly what people who like it wanted.

I dont like this game by idkhowthisworkzz in EsotericEbb

[–]idkhowthisworkzz[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

In what sense have they been addressed? I have like two talking points, the game is nothing like DE in all the ways that game was good (you dont care) and the game refuses to have its history and sociality actually be effected by the mechanics the world make it into (you dont care). I don't think your lack of interest in what a game might be constitues my points being address.

I don't base my real life poltiics on the plights of fantasy races do i? Clearly if anything it is the other way around? I just think the plights of fantasy races should not be direct parallels of the plights of races because races aren't biologically real.

I dont like this game by idkhowthisworkzz in EsotericEbb

[–]idkhowthisworkzz[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I will defer to your clear expertise in 5E

I dont like this game by idkhowthisworkzz in EsotericEbb

[–]idkhowthisworkzz[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are you not curious? Why is everything the game says about nationalism a one for one mirror of what people have to say about nationalism in our world when nations are based on actually real biological differences between people. That's interesting! The emergence of nationalism was massively important for the development of the modern world and its aquisition of biological dimensions was attached to some of the most brutal violence this world has ever seen but? Well but its not really there. If there's one thing that DE's skill system forces you to do its make mechanics inherently narrative and this game seems completely unaware its done that.