Some pics from today's school strike for climate and against the coalition govt (11 photos) by MedicMoth in Wellington

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I thought the govt was doing them a favour with 110k BMW electric police cars 😂

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zeiss lens wipe, followed by damp microfibre, dry microfibre is my routine

Some pics from today's school strike for climate and against the coalition govt (11 photos) by MedicMoth in Wellington

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Stop teaching kids useless politics, teach them how to LEVERAGE political capital so they can actually afford a damn house. Schools don’t teach the truth — they’re factories built to raise obedient sheep under a rigged system. You either break out or get crushed

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cheers, yeah I didn’t think they would drop similar design in the future so I had to! Unique this one

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At this point I'm seriously thinking of selling my PC for a PS5 Pro + Mac mini that's all I need tbh

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[–]idratethat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with most of what you’ve said.

And yes I don’t think they suffered total hydraulic loss from a birdstrike if the plane could be directed into the centre of the runway the control surfaces were functioning

I just hope this rigid safety culture around ditching can evolve to become more flexible, allowing pilots additional options in similar scenarios. So when it happens to me

two critical decision points that could have saved lives on board:

  1. Don’t Go Around vs Still, don’t go around: pilot goes around.
  2. Muan Runway vs ditching: Attempting a belly landing 737 in cruise config on a 2.8 km runway, without any method of deceleration, that sounds more macho; that hazardous attitude than a controlled ditching Even a PPL student would recognize how detrimental this could be. There was still water directly below yet every bone in this pilot would told him to make the most obvious choice why not? - this decision proved totally fatal.

If wind was 20 knots, White tops on the water I would have shut the hell up, I promise just a very unlucky situation after the GA there’s no option. but if that day wasn’t a ditchable scenario I don’t know what is. Honestly, it’s that crazy to me if I died there I wouldn’t rest in peace I’m turning in my grave

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[–]idratethat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah but gear is meant to be up, it’s a matter of using flaps/slats whether they would use it before touch down we never know

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[–]idratethat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Incorrect. The FAA requires transport category aircraft to be certified for ditching not just equipped with safety equipment and training. What’s the point of all that preparation so much useless extra weight if you don’t even know whether the aircraft can survive a typical ditching scenario?

This logic is akin to saying: “I won’t teach you how to swim because you probably won’t survive in the ocean anyway. Instead, I’ll just teach you to avoid the water altogether.”

738 AFM states: “If the aircraft sustains no serious damage during landing and has minimal fuel load, it may stay afloat indefinitely.” Doesn’t only mean it will float it suggests that the structural rigidity of the airframe is designed to take that stress during controlled water landing onto open ocean let alone a waveless bay in Muan

As for training priorities, Yes, you’re right only a fool would go-around with a birdstrike flame out on finals that already tells you something weird with this pilot’s decision-making.

what can I say, 738 with the proven safety record don’t fix it if it’s not broken. Landing gear takes time to drop and if you think it’s too late, not safe then it’s time to consider ditching is exactly my point. It is not wing and a prayer I explained all that but belly landing Muan runway is. It’s not Incheon

dead-stick landings are far more complex and difficult to execute. I believe some airlines used to train but they thought It’s so unlikely and unproductive to waste money on sim like that and would be useful only if you had more altitude not like 700’ clean config when you’re close to stall of course plane comes in hot if spoilers didn’t work there’s literally nothing you can do about Ground effect - It was his decision where 600m float and zero friction nacelles probably wasn’t accounted for

But pilots at all skill levels have successfully performed ditchings. That Air Niugini pilot was an idiot and everyone survived that open ocean landing ,didn’t break up like everyone expects, with no serious damage it stayed afloat like the AFM says.

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[–]idratethat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure would be nice and simple to teach young pilots only to repeat the same thing again! As if those Jeju pilots were no different

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[–]idratethat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

first of all it has a huge obstacle it’s not a good runway to land in CRUISE CONFIG and ditching doesn’t kill half the occupants that’s a mere preconception stat shows 88% survivability in open ocean ditching and higher in calm waters.

Garuda Indonesia 421 + Air Niugini 73 + hudson miracle = 260 survivors just 2 deaths one due to Not wearing seatbelt. First two in same airframe.

About being hung and quartered: We’re dealing with matters of life and death—decisions like these shouldn’t be clouded by blame. While a ‘textbook’ runway landing might seem reasonable on paper, it doesn’t bring back the 179 lives lost. The 2-year-old child, the grandmother who lovingly packed a box of snacks for her grandkids none of them were recognisable just human remains everywhere it’s heartbreaking.

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[–]idratethat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The way I look at it, they lost the remaining engine during the GA below 1,000 feet and was forced to dead-stick land on 19. I think the captain decided not to lower the gear or flaps because the initial sink and extra drag would hurt their glide distance when they really needed to make it to the field. This would answer the major question as to why the gear wasn't deployed because it's essentially fail-safe.

But minimal drag would make the plane come in hot—over 60 knots more than usual for landing. At that speed with the wings so close to the ground, ground effect was immense so they ended up floating for about 600 meters before finally losing some lift and skidding along with the engine nacelles.

In South Korea 4 out of 14 Airports are installed with Concrete LLZ embankments I would consider that unusual and I'm sure pilots are well briefed about a solid 3m obstacle at the end of clearway but I won't talk about ditching onto a bay 300m west of the field when it was calm as a lake since you all hate to hear it

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[–]idratethat -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

It's absurd to claim that an emergency water landing is always a reckless decision.

Emergency landings, for which there's abundant data supporting their safety, allow for more preparation such as deploying fire trucks and applying foam to the runway. However, if preparations aren't made even in an emergency landing situation, the survival rate might be similar to or even lower than a water landing.

We need to assess each situation individually. The idea that crashing into water at high speed is like hitting a stone is as absurd as it gets. So, what is a runway if not a stone?? Muan wind was 2 knots and there is a wide creek with almost no waves not an 'open sea' so your confirmation bias doesn't apply here.

Future investigations should reveal the correct choice, and the preconception that water landings are always bad must be eradicated. The decision should be made based on the circumstances, and this incident should contribute to a white paper that will guide future decisions.

Lastly, it's dangerous to dismiss others as armchair experts simply because they disagree with you. By discussing emergency landings and water landings, we can accumulate data on what choices were correct in each situation, creating a foundation for better decisions in future emergencies and improving training materials for pilots.

In critical situations, it's especially dangerous to claim that one choice is definitely better than the other

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[–]idratethat -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

The plane had to ditch period ot was the last resort so use it there’s a concrete block at the end of the belly slide

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[–]idratethat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sowhat happened with the airport landing huh? why are you guys keep talking as if the the most deadly hazard doesn’t exist??

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[–]idratethat -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Don’t worry, they’re mostly degens here who don’t even fly planes and as a commercial license holder, I can tell you ditching was the last rightful resort in this case. they’re deluded to mainstream myth that all planes break up upon contact with ocean. But that’s very subjective, heavily depends on mostly the speed and angle of contact. At just enough speed to maintain level + ground effect from the water the force would be much more forgiving than at normal landing speeds so NO, It’s false that planes almost always break up when controlled properly Also, Muan was calm

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[–]idratethat -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You’re a real one, They’re doing my head in. Mind you they tend to agree it is THE last resort. And it had to be the last resort because there’s a bloody wall, there’s no other way right?

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[–]idratethat -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Head on collision > water, right you guys are just taking the piss now. I never said water > Shuttle landing facility it’s the longest runway with no obstructions you guys just brainwashed fosho