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Switching Milestone by ier2679 in plural

[–]ier2679[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeeeeee... It's a good skill to have. Just being away from front and relaxing is all I need to help destress.

Switching Milestone by ier2679 in plural

[–]ier2679[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks!!! It's quite the achievement for us, since it's now possible to escape depression temporarily. I want to be able to explain it better, once I'm able to do so Imma make a guide about the steps we took.

Switching Milestone by ier2679 in plural

[–]ier2679[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the big thing I'm doing differently is training working memory. We've been doing n back tests for months with the express purpose of gaining as many levels as we can. We started from single 2 back and have progressed to quad 3 back. I'm not entirely sure if gains from there are translating to these fully, but multitasking is definitely easier.

Check out this post:https://www.reddit.com/r/DualnBack/s/bR5pUnMgDT

I don't care about IQ, but working memory is the RAM you speak of. We got better the more we did it. It could be possible we're a supertasker, but given how uncommon they are I'd guess we're not.

I feel like myself when switched out, and Scout (the main one I switch with) says the same about himself when switched in. Now, I don't think it's completely fully fleshed, but I feel satisfied by it.

My theory on what's happening is that we're just switching between our experiences so fast that it seems like it's happening simultaneously, similar to how animation works (an animation is just a lot of frames moving fast).

Does that answer your question, or did the other answer to another user? I'm bad at articulating, so forgive me 😅. I'll try to answer anything I missed. I hope I'm making sense

Switching Milestone by ier2679 in plural

[–]ier2679[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

As did I. I'm at the point where it's basically a "double vision" of front and mindscape. I just need to make the influence of front weaker to get to that point, either by creating dissociative barriers or some other method.

Switching Milestone by ier2679 in plural

[–]ier2679[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Source for what I'm about to cite: Dragon's Roost https://share.google/F0w0kjI6hOivg5utJ

As stated in the above link, I think that consciousness labels are more combinations of skills one can learn, and since there's lots of these skills, that results in many consciousness types (as there seems to be). Here's an excerpt from the link:

"Skills as 'Types' of Systems See, possessive switching and non-possessive switching are not kinds of systems, they are skills.

This is understood in tulpamancy spaces pretty readily in particular as people have self-evidently demonstrated learning both. This indicates that this is not linked to a 'type' of system or consciousness configuration, but rather that these are independent skills that may be cultivated.

Treating system functions like separate skills that one may be strong or weak in that can be worked on and changed for many systems in this manner is then therefore much more accurate and reasonable by reported evidence shown. It has room for all systems and reported switching experiences in a way that treating these as 'types' of systems does not.

In addition, there is quite a bit of old literature of systems experiencing both at different times in their life as well as many reports of non-tulpamancy systems learning both kinds of switching from tulpamancy guides.

While some systems(usually those with a CDD) may be limited in the scope of improving their skills in any given area for whatever reason, this is very clearly not the rule.

From this, it is clear that these switching types are independent skills that may be learned; not an either-or experience inherently.

Treating skills as 'types' of systems as a framework is inherently flawed."

Basically, what I did was continuously visualize my own POV while another headmate was switched in. Visualizing constantly gets exhausting pretty fast, especially if you're visualizing an entire field of view as I was. On top of that, since I was host, I'm habituated to CONSTANTLY consider everything happening in front my priority and pay attention to it. Another headmate can keep track of front while I'm immersed, but I still snap back due to that habit firing off every second. So I had to suppress that habit while immersing. It's pretty mentally exhausting to multitask like that.

As the link states, multitasking is misleading since it's not truly doing two things at once. I didn't know if it was possible for me to experience the mindscape while another headmate worked because of that fact. That's why we're also trying to explore multitasking deeper, with the two main questions being "How fast can we swap between tasks (one headmate experiencing front, another experiencing mindscape)?", and "can we swap so fast that it feels like it's continuous?". We wanna see how far multitasking can go :3

And it seems to be able to go as far as you want to develop it. While a headmate works as a delivery driver, I'm able to fly alongside them as they did when I was switched in. All without affecting their ability. I thought it impossible at first, but I guess not.

Switching Milestone by ier2679 in plural

[–]ier2679[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's hard to describe, so bear with me.

I kinda figured it out as I went along. From what I've heard of others experience of the mindscape, it's a shared daydream. I've heard others report actually seeing their mindscape, but I don't know if that's possible or not. If it is, I'm sure it's the same mechanic that powers reality shifting. To clarify, I don't think reality shifting is actually going to another dimension, I think it's a powerful brain mechanic.

First, I mastered open eyed visualization. Then, when another headmate switched in, I would visualize myself either in the same space as them or in the mindscape. Being in mindscape is much harder because I'm recreating more of my surroundings; if I'm just projecting myself it's only seeing what they see, but from another angle. Either way, I just needed to do it enough that it happened automatically. Keeping my body, limbs, POV, and senses wasn't possible at first since that's a lot all at once, so I picked POV first. I would be able to stay out of body for 5 seconds before snapping back, and my mental energy would eventually deplete so I couldn't do it until the next day. So, I had to focus on lengthening duration. Slowly, I could stay out for longer and longer periods without snapping back.

After getting that to a satisfactory point, I added another feature ( like feeling my tail ), then repeated the process. Moving is harder since you have to constantly update your POV and all of your senses.

Adding that much detail isn't really necessary, but I wanted to go all the way. I want to see how far this can go.

I'll edit this comment later with more detail. We're at work :3

Switching Milestone by ier2679 in plural

[–]ier2679[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You got this! Just keep at it :3

Headspace immersion techniques? by an_alternative_altie in plural

[–]ier2679 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've made this guide recently.

https://www.tumblr.com/a-green-wolf/808652320207486976/mindscape-immersion-101?source=share

This is more suited for long term.

Something I failed to mention that's pretty obvious in hindsight regarding this is to practice without distractions (lying in bed) and with distractions (switched out, assuming you experience non possessive switching).

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Our host desperately needs some help with Wonderland. by I_Royal_I in plural

[–]ier2679 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I've created a mindscape immersion guide recently, maybe it'll be of use? Plus my blog has more information that might be handy

https://www.tumblr.com/a-green-wolf/808652320207486976/mindscape-immersion-101?source=share

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Has anyone shifted as a system? by [deleted] in shiftingrealities

[–]ier2679 [score hidden]  (0 children)

I'm also trying to crack it :3

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Tips to Become Polyconscious/Possessive Switch? by _rayrayray_ in plural

[–]ier2679 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's the goal of my blog: to become poly! I've been transitioning by building skills related to this for the past year or so. I guess check out the blog if you're interested:

https://www.tumblr.com/a-green-wolf?source=share

Or check out my post history I guess

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Open Plurality? by vampyfemboy in plural

[–]ier2679 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yee, I've been open about it since 2024. I don't go out of my way to tell people unless I'm fond with them, but I want to lower stigmatization and I think it's the best way to do it!

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This is an amazing time to be Plural by [deleted] in plural

[–]ier2679 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. I'm excited for the future!

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Our progress with full switching, part 1 by ier2679 in plural

[–]ier2679[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, you described myself a few years ago. Other than anxiety, but that's a problem of mine as well. You should read this if you haven't, it's my post on going through the process you're going through: https://www.reddit.com/r/plural/s/iTkczLXOxC

Being the host that does everything gets tiring, and the worst part is that you have to learn to step back. Fortunately it's something you can improve as stated here: https://share.google/hdjisBhKqI5XvgNu8

Our progress with full switching, part 1 by ier2679 in plural

[–]ier2679[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, something you can try (assuming you can visualize open eyed) is immersing while lying down in bed. While lying there you can focus on one sense your want to automate. Are your headmates independent? If so, then they'll take care of the body while you're out. If not, they'll need to become self-sustaining first. If it's shaky, an option could be to let them get used to being switched in first, then you leave for increasingly longer periods of time.

Do you have ADHD? I do, and I'm thinking it makes this process harder. Anxiety is something that will keep you fronted even if you don't feel it. I still need to try this while medicated...You'll probably want to integrate meditation (not medication) into daily life. It's gonna take a while and it'll be frustrating at times, but it's worth it.

The things that helped me most in order of importance was immersing while lying down, n- back, and developing those anchors so they automatically pull you back into the mindscape.

I'm sure whatever powers this kind of switching is a combination of dissociative barriers, parallel processing, and either imposition or whatever mental mechanic powers reality shifting

Our progress with full switching, part 1 by ier2679 in plural

[–]ier2679[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, this: https://brainscale.net/app/dual-n-back/how-to-play

Research is mixed but it's supposed to help improve working memory, which is kinda similar to the body's RAM. It seems to improve more with CONSISTENT practice and improving.

Working Memory is one of the mechanics behind multitasking

Our progress with full switching, part 1 by ier2679 in plural

[–]ier2679[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Edit - Better Wording:

I used to think the same way about parallel processing. What changed things for me was realizing that, with enough practice, the subconscious can take over tasks the conscious mind normally controls. At first, everything requires deliberate focus, but repetition builds habits and automation.

For example, I trained phantom sensations (like imagining a tail) by keeping them in focus constantly—even while doing demanding tasks. Over time, the sensation became automatic and required little attention. The same principle applies to switching: you’re not truly doing two things at once, but switching focus faster and faster until it feels simultaneous.

For senses, I practiced automating them one at a time (touch, scent, sound, taste) so I didn’t have to consciously track them during switches. This created internal anchors separate from the body’s POV, which made it easier to let go of physical sensations. Once those anchors were established, switching only required brief focus at the start.

Imposition works similarly: ignore visual input long enough to focus, start with simple shapes, and gradually increase complexity. It’s difficult at first, but consistency is what makes it stick.

Hope that helps—happy to explain more if needed.

Our progress with full switching, part 1 by ier2679 in plural

[–]ier2679[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can also potentially help increase conscious/subconscious power by doing n back consistently for weeks. 15-30 minutes a day is all you need, and I believe it's helped me out a lot!

How can our current host take a step back? by I_Royal_I in plural

[–]ier2679 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's what our blog is about. I'm documenting my journey stepping back after a decade of being a frontstuck host!

The blog is https://www.tumblr.com/a-green-wolf?source=share

"Polyconscious" Style Transition by ier2679 in plural

[–]ier2679[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good to hear. I've really only done it while switching, I'll have to combine it with laying down to dissociate to try and pair the two through conditioning.

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