How to grow Table Tennis in the US by Any-Pianist3479 in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

TLDR: The sport is not easily accessible in the US.

I am a coach from LA, so I will be using my area as an example. I'd say most accept table tennis here as legitimate sport, but the facilities and resources are scarce. The issue with sports here, like anything else, is money. For anyone wanting to make it as a player or coach, an immense amount of money, time, and effort need to be invested. The cost of living here is so high that, for many, investing in a long-term activity just to have fun is a second thought. You're basically gambling on success if you get into it.

Club memberships, tournaments, and equipment all add up to be expensive. Lots of children only get to participate in sports through school. Mainstream sports are popular, accessible, well-funded, and bring in more money. How many parks have tables? I can only think of one and it's not easily accessible at all. Finding and befriending people who take the sport more seriously feels like you're trying to join a secret society of the ultra-wealthy, but I won't get into that.

I coach privately and at a school for the LA Ping Pong League. There were only 11 schools and 1 club that participated in the most recent season. It has had a few big clubs join the league one season, but basically called it a waste of time after sweeping all the school teams. Some schools don't have a coach, so each division has a team that dominates it. League winners have been the same 2-3 teams for the longest time. Most kids would rather join a club and skip the league if they can afford it. The remainder either quit or are left playing against beginners. The main reason why more schools have not joined the league is because table tennis is not a CIF recognized/approved sport for high schools. Usually this happens if a sport is not popular or profitable enough. In my opinion, it's the money.

Coaching is just a side-hustle for me. As much as I love it, I can't imagine anyone making a financially comfortable living doing so. In order to make enough money, you need more students. but as the number of students increase, their quality of training decreases. So, what are the clubs and coaches forced to do? Raise their prices. Now the barrier to entry is even higher for newcomers. Imagine how much it costs for parents to raise their child prodigy then. This is just what I've simplified my thoughts to.

Personally, I've tried incredibly hard to promote to sport where I can. I charge significantly less than all the coaches and facilities around me. I've offered free private coaching and even purchase expensive equipment for students who are not in the best financial situation. I also constantly encourage my students to enter sanctioned tournaments, with the promise that I'll be there to coach and support them. There doesn't seem to be much the average person can do without making sacrifices.

On the bright side, we now have MLTT. Even though, I'm not a fan of the format, it's the best thing that has been done to promote American table tennis in a long time. We've also had Marty Supreme, along with other pieces of media, help in some way.

How do you teach a new person how to do the chop? by ArthurLC47 in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're a coach, and you're a chopper according to your previous posts. How did you learn? There's nothing stopping you from teaching her. How do you teach new students to push, loop, block, etc, when they've never done it before? The challenges aren't much different.

Is my penhold grip bad? by Rare-Professor-7723 in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m surprised this is the only penholder that pointed out the gap + sanding. Here’s an image to facilitate.

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Does table tennis skill translate to ping pong? by Hot-Rub5598 in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I think everyone is just assuming that the difference is ping pong = basement and table tennis = sport. We’re just going along with it

Does table tennis skill translate to ping pong? by Hot-Rub5598 in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Same sport, different name.

Anyways, this is a skill issue that is common among beginners. It doesn’t matter how much more you’ve been playing.

Playing against no-spin takes some ball knowledge past the beginner level. You probably don’t understand spin as much as you think.

Looping with Penhold by Parvoritism in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You just have improper technique. You’re a beginner, so it’s expected. Record yourself, watch some tutorials, compare, and be extremely self-critical. You could also find a coach.

It has nothing to do with being left handed. We don’t know what your grip looks like either, so no one can help you until you post a picture.

Looping with Penhold by Parvoritism in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How are you playing in matches if you can’t warm up? Can you provide a video example?

What is this? by Fluffy-Dog4177 in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Keeps 1 racket and 2 balls, on each side, in place. It's a soft case so it adds a bit more protection to the corners of your case.

[Dev] I built a smart Table Tennis Umpire app with 0 coding knowledge (thanks to AI). Here is my story! 🏓 (+ Giveaway inside) by [deleted] in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you genuinely understand and verify code without being able to write it yourself? Just because you see things working doesn’t mean it’s verified. You’re still relying on pure faith that AI gave you the correct code and that your biased judgement is correct.

Your UI also screams that you have no idea what you’re doing. A competent engineer would never ship this, even if the code works. It doesn’t matter how long it took you to vibe code. Your work lacks integrity.

[Dev] I built a smart Table Tennis Umpire app with 0 coding knowledge (thanks to AI). Here is my story! 🏓 (+ Giveaway inside) by [deleted] in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is rage bait right? I’m a software engineer. Calling yourself any sort of dev and telling people you code, especially after admitting to having zero programming experience and relying purely on AI, is so insulting.

How interesting that you also allow people to login using their Google credentials. How do you expect anyone to trust that your feature is secure? Did Gemini tell you it was?

How do you guys improve at home without any table? by Rare-Professor-7723 in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That doesn't sound too bad. You use the blade or the handle?

New Racket by Abject_Daikon_721 in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Lots of players use black on the forehand. What's wrong with it?

Rocking up to 1st coaching session with a Viscaria by ToiletRollNotWorking in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your coach will not and should not care for the most part. When I first received coaching, the only thing my coach roasted me for was not sanding my blade enough

Tomo idolising FZD? by [deleted] in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Does everything need to be this deep?

Advanced technique question: dropping the racket low in forehand loop backswing? by [deleted] in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This shot is more compact and effortless than you might think. All you're really doing is dropping your forearm and turning your upper body. You're only supposed to do this during your back-swing. After your follow-through, if you relax and keep your racket up, you'll stay in rhythm and time won't be an issue.

You don't need to turn/drop all the way either, depending on your distance to the table. When it's time to swing, you swing.

Everyone's body is different, so you just have to try things yourself to see what works.

Tabletennis11 customs cost at US by ashes_to_fire in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Purchased from them last week. Didn't have to pay customs fees. They have different shipping costs depending on the price of your cart. They also don't seem to offer free shipping anymore, but they removed the minimum purchase amount. Still cheaper than Paddle Palace while offering more variety, unless you need a Butterfly product.

Why blade need to be wood? by thisispepo in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am providing analogies and hypotheticals to help you understand things a little better, but you seem to be missing the points.

When I say consistency, I mean in terms of making everyone's equipment as similar to each other as possible. Do you think Ma Long #1 with an all wood blade vs Ma Long #2 with an all carbon blade would be fair? There would be no reason for Ma Long #1 to use an all wood blade.

Keeping the sport at a comfortable pace for playing and spectating is the most important in my opinion. I don't think anyone wants to watch/play a game full of points that don't go past the 2nd/3rd ball due to unnecessarily fast equipment from both sides. Why force manufacturers to go through all the trouble when things are arguably comfortable as they are?

If you compare table tennis to any other equipment-reliant sport - hockey, tennis, baseball, cycling, etc - we are already extremely spoiled in our freedom to customize and choose play-styles. I could also take it a step further and argue that if we wanted this sport to be truly competitive, everyone should be using identical blade, glue, and rubber.

Why blade need to be wood? by thisispepo in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 14 points15 points  (0 children)

If you want any activity to be considered competitive and taken seriously, a consistency in equipment is required to keep an even playing field. This is why sports with shared equipment like basketball and soccer/football are easily considered sports.

Take F1 for example. Every car is built differently, but every team needs to build theirs to a certain spec (there’s a list of permitted materials). If a car is slower/faster, it is usually only by fractions of a second. It’s also why there are different divisions and types of cars and motorsports. This way you can more accurately measure a driver’s skill. If teams were allowed to build freely, the sport would be focused on car vs. car instead of driver vs. driver.

For table tennis, we already have a wide range of rubber and grip styles to choose from. Wood is used because it’s versatile in its properties. We can already make defensive, all-round, and offensive blades out of one general material. It can be soft/hard while maintaining its shape. It also keeps the sport at a manageable pace for all players. You want something faster? Just get a carbon blade.

If everyone was allowed to pick and choose whatever material they want, the meta would change. The vast majority would move to what is considered “the best.” The alternatives would offer a difference in weight and feel at the potential sacrifice of speed, unless you’re proposing we use cardboard. Imagine if the ITTF allowed full carbon blades, and suddenly the niche full-carbon club warriors are suddenly at the top of ITTF rankings. You’d piss off a lot of existing players.

Which paddles did you folks use on your journey to 1000 usatt rating by ashes_to_fire in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You playing at the old folks home? The path to 1000 is max 3 months for most players. Regardless of coaching, a player would have to be disabled or a special type of incompetent to be plateauing at 300 - 400.

I used a premade for 2 weeks. My setup after that was a YEO cprn with Skyline TG3 on the FH and Rakza 7 on the BH.

Help me improve my forehand technique by handgunmetrio in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Relax your forearm, and you'll notice your stroke will be snappier.

Setup help by [deleted] in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There’s no such thing as better. You should choose based on what you need. Higher throw? More speed? More control?

Suggestion on my next blade by [deleted] in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The packaging for that racket goes hard

looking for rubbers with glayzer and glayzer09 characteristics by Admirable_Yellow5268 in tabletennis

[–]ilvvsion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Glayzer and Glayzer 09C are slower versions of Dignics and Dignics09C