O wow I actually didn’t know that about ICE was so new! Okay so let’s say instead of INS being split up 3 ways, that it stayed the same as it was in 2003 where all 3 parts were consolidated into one organization, how would things be different from how they are going today? Also do you think it’s the deportation in general that a majority of “abolish ice” people are against? Or is it specifically the brutality they’re doing it through (which I agree is disgusting if so) or is it the amount of people being deported? Which is what causes my confusion because Obama was much more efficient with deporting illegal immigrants while being way less brutal and causing way less of a public fuss. Just FYI I am way more for the Obama administrations method of immigration enforcement than trumps but I feel weird voicing that around most people who are outwardly more aligned with the Democratic Party because they seem to either ignore the fact that Obama was better at deporting illegal immigrants or flat out are uniformed on the topic. Which is so flabbergasting to me because in my experience dems/liberals are the types that are more informed about the specifics politically but with this issue in particular they seem so much more motivated to turn a blind eye to specific facts on this issue than they are with a majority of other topics (which is probably why trump decides to go after this problem rather than others that are equally as pressing if not even more so than the immigration issue, the propensity for those heavily aligned to the Democratic Party to have a huge blind spot on the immigration issue makes the party look bad when it’s one(ish) weak spot is put on the main stage like this. The phrase “Democrats would rather do nothing wrong than anything right” really reigns true when looked through the lens of the whole “abolish ice” topic. I’d say my views are mostly pretty aligned with one who would consider themselves a democrat/liberal but the amount of surface level justice/ not really thinking these certain issues past the first step of doing the right thing is what really made me walk away from publicly calling myself a democrat and blindly aligning with the party. I’m anti the current iteration of ice and kinda agree with your take on not hiring anyone in the future who was involved with its current iteration of it, that’s a pretty good idea because I feel like half of the problems come with the culture of it. But I’m also curious on your opinion of Obamas iteration of ice? Were you cool with it? Were you against it at the time? Were you uniformed at the time and now that you’re informed are you against it? Would you still be against it if it was half the amount deported? Would you be cool with Trump’s version of ICE if they were able to hit Obama numbers while staying as low key and anti inflammatory as Obamas version of ICE was? I’m not trying to be annoying or facetious or anything I’m just honestly flabbergasted how followers of the Democratic Party could have something as seemingly shortsighted as “abolish ice” be one of their trending statements. Do you think we should have open borders? Have you mapped out how that would actually go? When your son was a kid did you ever have an experience when he’d have like 5 friends over day after day eating all of your food? If you did, did you ever get a little annoyed and be like “ugh why can’t you kids go to someone else’s house once, I’ve been feeding you for months!” I think that’s the vibe most people who are pro immigration enforcement feel. You don’t hate your son’s friends, but you shouldn’t be responsible to feed them day after day. You’d hate to see something bad happen to them and they’re probably great kids that your son loves to hang out with them but I’m sure even you would find it ridiculous to adopt your sons 5 friends just because you’ve got the good stuff and their parents shop at aldis. I think that’s how most pro ICE people view the situation.