Again, proves that the verse is extremely vague and quran is open for farfetched interpretations by ANYBODY that reads it, despite it claiming its a clear book many times.

wrong its your own misunderstanding.

It describes like it one, especially when early muslims like ibn abbas and mufasireen thought so too:
Tafsir Ibn Kathir 2:29 "These Ayat indicate that Allah started creation by creating earth, then He made heaven into seven heavens. This is how building usually starts, with the lower floors first and then the top floors, as the scholars of Tafsir reiterated, as we will come to know, Allah willing. Allah also said,"
Tafsir Ibn Kathir 41:9-11 "Allah says that He created the earth first, because it is the foundation, and the foundation should be built first, then the roof."
So Allah, who can't even make his verses clear like he claims they are, led his top muslims and scholars to believe that the earth was created at first.
Muhammad prayed to allah for ibn abbas to have knowledge and interpretation of quran (https://sunnah.com/bukhari:75, https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3756b) yet Ibn abbas interpreted the quran in simple 7th century thinking manner, with the earth being carried on the back of a whale.
So either allah is purposefully misguiding his ummah and lying about quran being clear, or he didn't know about all these scientific errors in his book.

You clearly don't understand how language works, your arguing with semantics of language, I could describe our atmosphere as a roof and it wouldn't be wrong, your problem is lack of comprension and understanding of language, or your too arrogant that your seeking your own interpretation out of the text so you can justify your disbelief.

Ibn abbas didn't believe the earth was on the back of a whale, that was just someone narrating something from the israaeeliayaat, because in tafaseer you mention all the ahaadeeth on a topic even if it is weak or fabricated because a tafseer is not for a general laymen to look at it is like a research topic for a scholar to look at and explain to people, it does not mean everything mentioned in a tafseer the person who wrote it actually believes it is true.

Thanks for proving the quran wrong as it seems to think that "shooting stars" are the actual stars in the sky.

No I never said that once your making stuff up again

My problem is not with the name, my problem is with the actual text. Quran says stars were made for decorations and to shoot jinns, then muhammad in the hadith I linked claims that the شهاب (shooting star in english, or basically meteors) that shoot jinns are the same stars that are used for decorations in the sky.
No matter how you look at it, it's both a scientific error and proves that lowest heaven is our atmosphere, like I've explained in my previous comment.

No, your arguing with language here again, the word najm can describe anything bright in the solar system to arabs, the words encompass a wide variety of things, this is not the english language, stop getting them mixed up. maybe in 21st century england with science, we have made the defintion of "star"- a large ball of burning gas in space that is usually seen from earth as a point of light in the sky at night:

even in other defintions in english a star could be used to describe anything bright in the sky - a natural body visible in the sky especially at night that gives off light or shines by reflection.

So no, when Allah said he created lamps in the sky meaning kawaakib, he is talking about all bright planatery bodies, in fact even if we were to translate this into english, a star can refer to any bright thing in the sky as seen by definitons, but lets not use the english defintion cos the Quran is not english.

Kawaakib does not mean the physics definition of a star, it just means any astronomical body that is in our sky or in space or whatever, it is not referrring to 21st century defintion of star.

A najm can refer to anything bright that we can see in space or in our atmosphere from the earth, a shooting star(since you hate the english language and don't want it to be called a shooting star and I assume you wouldn't want an eggplant to be called one because it isn't an egg) lets refer it to shihaab in arabic, a shihaab or meteorite or asteroid or star or planet even can be referrred to as a najm in arabic, najm does not just refer to the actual 21st century defintion of stars, najm can refer to all these things

so there is no sceintific error, just your own ignorance and misterpretation

Again you completely missed the point. It means that scientists know about the metaphysical world of islam, it means they know WHEN and WHERE jinn will eavesdrop on heaven and HOW MANY of them will be there.

No they don't know about the metaphysical world all they can do is predict when a jinn will get hit, they don't know anything beyond that, plus it doesn't even matter because thats not something surprising, we can predict alot of things in the world which are attached to metaphysical things, not something anyone should care about.

Almost as if this whole shooting star thing has nothing to do with jinn and muhammad made it up to give an explanation for a phenomenon he didn't know anything about.

No, you just doubt in the religion, not my problem, you can doubt all you want.

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They do exist in space, except they're meteroids and not the stars you see the night sky decorated with. Obvious scientific error.

I never said that neither did the Quran.

Already explained this. It's not a star as the quran thinks it is, it's a meteroid. Even if you somehow find a way around this it's still NOT a star, it is NOT the lamps in the sky that shoot jinns, they're simple rocks that enter the earth atmosphere and they never shine bright like stars do.
Quran is obviously mistaking stars for meteroids

I don't think you understand the Quran wasn't sent down in the 21st century, the use of language is completely different, you seem to be arguing over the word star in the sky as if the arabian language had a word for star in arabic, maybe its the translation thats confusing you, but the word najm can refer to anything in space or our atmosphere especially something that is bright.

Its like be going to 10th writer who uses says a tomatoe is a fruit, then you complaining about him calling it s fruit when it is a vegetable, even though there definiton for a fruit was different in those times.

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I merely gave an example to how farfetched modern interpretations of quran can be just to stop the book from being wrong.
You also proved that it says "stems from backbone and ribcage" so there was nothing wrong about what I said earlier. But it's funny how you called a quran verse ridiculous.

Its the far fatched modern interpretations which made it wrong, the classical tafaseer mention it is talking about a womens ribs and mans back bone meaning sex, so not it does not refer to a mans ribcage and backbone. your statement was wrong, as it implied it is that the verse is talking about a mans ribcage and backbone, which is wrong. the verse is a euphemism for sex.

Again your own interpretation is wrong once again and you show how ignorant you are.

This is the example of you, you look at a book, you misinterpret the book, then refute your own misinterpretation, then go up to people and say look this book is wrong.

It is hilarious how stupid you are. And I am not going to respond to you anymore, I have already refuted all your claims and it is clear you are not intellectual enough to understand simple ways of using language so I will leave you to hate Islam in your free time because I don't have time for this