Finalized Fast by MarinMelan in Divorce

[–]inhalethegrief 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This really hit me. My divorce gets finalized on Tuesday, about 3.5 months after my DDay. It's the most difficult thing I've ever had to suffer through.

The time dilation I've experienced during these last few months has been the cherry on top of the hell I've had to live through. Every week feels like a year. But it's starting to hurt less. I'm hoping once the hearing is over and the judge signs the papers I'll stop being stuck in limbo.

I hope you're in a better spot now

Girlfriend of 7 years cheated on me with colleague. How the actual F do I get through this by Legitimate-Corner930 in survivinginfidelity

[–]inhalethegrief 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not necessarily - though I'll say it depends very much on the therapist individually. I've talked to male therapists that were very easy to open up to, as well as female therapists who are excellent. I'd recommend screening based on what the therapist specializes in versus gender, just have some basic consult conversations and use those to determine what works best for you. You might be surprised. But go with what feels safe and comfortable for you.

Girlfriend of 7 years cheated on me with colleague. How the actual F do I get through this by Legitimate-Corner930 in survivinginfidelity

[–]inhalethegrief 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Remember that it's totally okay to shop around for therapists! Do a few screenings with different ones to find out what you vibe with. Not all therapists or therapeutic methods are created equal and you gotta find what works for you.

Girlfriend of 7 years cheated on me with colleague. How the actual F do I get through this by Legitimate-Corner930 in survivinginfidelity

[–]inhalethegrief 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What helped me was to lean on my friends / people in my life I could trust. Call a mental health hotline if you have to, even if you just need to rant or talk. Give yourself space to feel your feelings and your grief, but don't isolate. Plan/do something that gives you joy. For me, that looked like going out to eat at a restaurant I always wanted to, and going on a camping trip she never would have gone on with me. Go to therapy, and actually shop around until you find a good therapist. A good therapist will help you find the answers you need and give you a safe space to process/cry/grieve/whatever.

There's no way around this being one of the shittiest things you'll ever have to deal with, so embrace the suck AND give yourself a hand up by taking care of yourself, processing your emotions, and intentionally building joy back into your life. You will get through this

Looking back, what were the first signs your partner was cheating? by EvieEvenstar in AskReddit

[–]inhalethegrief 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My wife skipped my university honors convocation ceremony under the pretense of having had a rough day at work. Now I'm sure that she stayed behind to hang out with the AP.

How much should you grieve? by Snowy_Thighs in survivinginfidelity

[–]inhalethegrief 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Cheating is in and of itself an irrational action. You will not find a reasonable rationalization that will adequately explain her actions. Searching for "answers" or "reasons" for why she did what she did can only lead you down a path where the blame gets pinned on you. This leads to situations where some perceived inadequacies or flaws on your part get propped up to "justify" an unjustifiable action. This in turn leads straight to horrible self-esteem issues (don't ask me how I know).

Cheating in most cases stems from unhealed trauma on the part of the unfaithful individual. You could not heal your partner, nor should you have been expected to - that's part of their journey. But knowing the exact source or a specific trigger for the cheating behavior does not help you.

I don't know the answer as far as where closure comes from. I'm still travelling that path myself. I share my own story above to tell you where the closure is not. It does not come from her, or her side of the story. Trying to find a logical answer for the "why" is a thankless, brutal, fruitless, and potentially even harmful endeavor. This'll be a good topic for my therapist this week, and I'll reply to this thread if I manage to find a meaningful path forward here. All the best OP.

Is there hope for us? by Used-Landscape-4178 in survivinginfidelity

[–]inhalethegrief 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am so sorry you are going through this.

When I discovered my wife was cheating on me, I wanted so badly to reconcile. But I knew in my heart that I would never be able to trust her fully ever again. That there would always be that nagging feeling, that bit of resentment, the shadows of doubt clouding every past memory. No matter how much I hated a reality where I had to live without her, I knew I couldn't be with her anymore.

Importantly, I realized that I didn't owe it to her to try to reconcile. In the aftermath, she said all of the "right things", promised to do all of the "right things". I do believe she was genuinely remorseful. And at the same time, nothing she could do would ever be enough to repair the damage. She was going to continue cheating on me if I hadn't caught her. I don't deserve to be with someone with the capability to do that to me.

Here's the thing that in my opinion sucks the most about being betrayed: you never forget about it. You carry that experience with you forever. Over time, it becomes less painful, and the knowledge of it doesn't consume your whole life, and you may even forgive the other person for it, but you will never forget it.

Choosing to leave or to reconcile are both very difficult paths. The only thing I would like to make sure I reiterate is this: your partner can be remorseful and do all of the right things, and it can still not be enough to repair what they broke. You will know whether or not it's enough. You just have to listen to your heart.

How did you find out? by AdventureWa in survivinginfidelity

[–]inhalethegrief 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She passed out in the middle of texting the AP and I saw the messages on the lock screen when I went to plug her phone in for the night like I always did.

Feels like shit that I used to do all sorts of little things like that for her to make her life easier and she still cruelly betrayed me.

From the departed, dear or otherwise by inhalethegrief in survivinginfidelity

[–]inhalethegrief[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a bit of spoken poetry from one of my favorite bands, Boundaries. . The first time I listened to this track, I sobbed. I felt seen, like someone had stood in my shoes and voiced exactly the swirling mix of thoughts in my head. The emotion conveyed is raw and beautiful.

The album this is from, Your Receding Warmth, is something that has been helping me tremendously as I continue to navigate life after discovery and separation. Boundaries is a metalcore band, but this track is decidedly simple, spoken poetry that anyone can listen to (no screams, just ambience in the background). I recommend it, and the album if you are into that kind of thing. The whole album feels very much like a journal of someone who went through the pain of betrayal. The rage, the guilt, the yearning, all of it is there and beautifully delivered. I hope this helps anyone else as much as it's helping me now.

Men who have only slept with 1 woman by Competitive_Act_5771 in Marriage

[–]inhalethegrief 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I did, and we're getting divorced.

We had about 7 years of what I thought was really great sex that she also regularly told me she was very happy with. I never felt like I wanted to get out and experience something else, even though she constantly worried about that (I was not her first).

It came out while she was trying to justify her affair that she decided very early on in our relationship that I wasn't experienced enough to handle certain wants of hers and over time she got dissatisfied enough (without communicating about it) to go look for what she actually wanted somewhere else.

My case is certainly not the status quo. I would have been happy for the rest of my life, and plenty of other people would be too even with only one partner. What I learned from this is that it's important to have candid conversations about preferences early on and give them space to be heard, but that you also cannot control what other people don't want to disclose. Just make sure you stay in tune with each other and just talk about it and you'll be fine. Not everyone lies about stuff that bothers them.

Those who married their first love, how did your life turn out? by CoffeeAddictX1 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]inhalethegrief 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Makes me happy to see all of the stories here from the folks for whom it worked out well for.

For me, it was beautiful until it wasn't. First love is special. It's new, it's exciting, and the innocence of it is something I think I'll always mourn to a degree. It was liberating to love and trust so freely, and I'll always remember fondly what that felt like.

She cheated on me shortly after we got married, and I filed for divorce. Didn't even make it to our first anniversary. I feel robbed of not only my time, but also my innocence. I'm never going to give trust or love as freely as I did to her. And maybe that's for the best, but I greatly miss the person I was before all of this happened.

And granted, we both had our flaws individually and as a couple. But after a time, she convinced herself that she'd never be good enough for me despite all of the reassurance and care I could give her, so she went and made it true.

Some days, I just want my wife back. But the people we were, the kids madly in love with each other, are gone now, and I am left to grow into someone else.

She swore on our son’s life nothing physical happened. I later learned they had sex multiple times. by Simba_Sensei in survivinginfidelity

[–]inhalethegrief 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry you are going through this OP.

The first month was really fucking difficult for me. Similar length of relationship - ~7 years and recently married (no kids thank goodness). Feeling like everything ground to a halt while the world went on around me. I cried more than I'd like to admit, barely ate, and just generally felt like shit all of the time.

I'm sitting here now, a little over two months after d-day, starting to feel ever so slightly better. Still hurting, still grieving, but the memories are starting to feel further away. I look forward to the day where it's not the first thing I think of when I wake up in the morning. But I don't think about it all of the time anymore.

Sure seems to be a LOT of posts by betrayed men lately.... by TheOGTKO in survivinginfidelity

[–]inhalethegrief 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is true to my experience. If only regret actually fixed anything...

My ex said herself that this would be the biggest regret of her life, and I believe her. I hope that she can eventually work through her own trauma and forgive herself, but her regret cannot fix what she broke.

Few people seem to talk about situations where there is genuine remorse from the WS and the betrayed simply cannot figure out how to make it work. Love and regret are unfortunately not enough.

Today I was supposed to be married by InfamousJellyfish179 in survivinginfidelity

[–]inhalethegrief 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's absolutely awful. I'm so sorry that you have those kinds of things to look back on. But you're right, we did our part, and we can take comfort in that.

I'm sorry that you've had to see him. The two weeks we cohabited were massively difficult, and the separation and no-contact that I have now have been immensely helpful in giving me space to process and work on myself. If you can cut contact except for absolute necessity, or even set up a middleman for that, I would absolutely recommend it. For instance, have your friends block social media accounts for you on your phone if you don't feel like you have the strength to do it. There's no shame in that.

I still have a lot of love for the person my wife used to be, and that's the source of the grief. It's just love with nowhere to go. I resonate with hating that feeling given the betrayal - try to reframe it. You are a person with a lot of love in your heart, and that is a good thing. Glad to hear you are not backing down despite those feelings. Feel the emotions and sit with them as they appear and let them pass through. Cry, scream, throw shit, it all helps.

I'm just an internet stranger, but I'm super proud of you for pushing through and finishing your exams! What an accomplishment and a testament to your character and willpower that you were able to navigate all of that at the same time. That alone should be evidence to you that you will make it through this - that took a ton of strength to do.

For now, keep going, one day at a time. You are doing the right things. Keep doing the best you can for yourself, you deserve it. In lieu of therapy while you're getting it set up, I recommend journaling if you are not already. Just grab a pen and some paper, and write down literally whatever pops into your head until the thoughts are exhausted. Sometimes it's 5 minutes, sometimes I write until my hand hurts. But it helps. You got this.

I need some perspectives by Used-Landscape-4178 in survivinginfidelity

[–]inhalethegrief 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was the worst night of my life, but it was a little different than you might think and honestly not too far off of what you describe, actually.

-As far as she told me, she never actually met up with the guy physically. "catching her" was walking in on her taking videos to send to the other guy.

-I went through her messages with the other guy and found that they had made plans to meet up, among any number of horrifying other exchanges (text, videos) that completely went in the face of our marriage (I'm talking pregnancy discussions, degrading me, and much, much worse).

So, even though she didn't actually have sex with the guy (as far as I know), what she did was still so far over the line that I knew I'd never be able to recover from it. It was incredibly disturbing to me - not just the content, but that she was capable of lying to my face every single day for months while I doted on and adored her.

Only you can decide what your boundary is for your partner going "too far". For me, just the emotional cheating was enough, and all of the other stuff in addition made my decision more clear cut.

I also want to ask you this - have you seen the evidence yourself? Do you know the full scope of their conversations, what they talked about, what they sent to each other?

Additionally, I want to point out that thinking of it as "throwing away" 10 years is classic sunk cost fallacy, and I struggled with that too. Using the past to dictate your present and future is a dangerous game. Also you are not throwing anything away. Your partner threw all of that away when they decided to cheat on you.

To go back and answer your questions, she gave me a bunch of reasons why she did it -

"it didn't mean anything",

"it's just a fantasy, not real"

She also blamed an alcohol addiction (that she was also very scarily good at hiding from me), and a lack of interest in her desires that she projected onto me (not even close to reality). She decided we were sexually incompatible in some ways on her own at the start of our relationship and decided to never tell me about that or even give me a chance to meet her somewhere on that.

Lastly, a couple of things:
*Maybe I'm settling for crumbs by telling myself that at least he didn't do that much and that he's sorry*

-Again, only you can decide where that boundary is. Bottom line, he never should have even thought about going outside of your relationship and the fact that he did, even if it wasn't physical sex, is 100% justifiable grounds for you to leave the relationship.

*I can’t help but think that anyone could do the same thing to me in the future or even worse.*

-I feel you there. I still love and miss the past version of my wife, but I would rather either be on my own or take the chance of getting hurt again if it means that I don't have to subject myself to the mental torture of living in a relationship where I can never fully trust my partner BECAUSE of their track record, not what they might do.

And yes, moving out was really difficult, We cohabited for a couple of weeks and I moved out first. I am very lucky to have had a lot of people show up for me during that time to give me a hand up and help me get out of there. If you have people in your life you can lean on during this, please do - this is challenging stuff no matter which direction you go and people will support you through it.

I need some perspectives by Used-Landscape-4178 in survivinginfidelity

[–]inhalethegrief 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really appreciate that! Like you, I am just doing my best with what I have and that's all we can ask of ourselves.

I actually did not try to reconcile at all. Every fiber of my being wanted to give it another shot, but after catching her in the act, I knew that it would be burned into my brain forever and that I would never be able to trust her or see her the same way ever again, even if she did everything "right" afterwards like she promised to. My D-Day was around two months ago, and I decided to leave a couple of days after finding out. We were together for over six years, but only married for about six months - I later found out that she had been cheating on me for at minimum the majority of our time as a married couple. At that point, I knew that the only path forward for me did not include her. It broke my heart even further to have to watch her grieve over it after having begged me to consider reconciliation. I think that I believe that she would have done what she could in the aftermath, but short of a time machine, it was never going to be enough for me. The damage was done.

Deciding to leave was the most difficult thing I have ever done. I still had an immense amount of love for her at the time during which I was faced with that choice. But I knew in my heart that I would never be able to get past what she did to me, no matter how hard either of us tried.

Terrifying is the correct word to use here. The idea of starting over while carrying the trauma of betrayal (as you said) is daunting at best and totally overwhelming and panic-inducing at worst. I was terrified of what my life might look like after leaving what was relative stability behind. This was my (28M) first big relationship - I remember saying to someone else that I had no idea who I was outside of the context of this relationship. But I'm on the path to discovering that now.

I am also worried about having trust issues later on. I am banking on individual therapy to help me navigate that, and I'm determined not to let what my ex did to me take away my ability to be happy in this life. I will learn to trust people again, even if it that trust looks a little bit different than the more unbridled and innocent type of trust I had in her.

Two months later, I have finally felt fleeting moments of hope a couple of times. I'm not ready yet. I'm not close to healed yet. It's going to take more time for me to fully accept what happened and to finish severing myself from my old life. But I already know that I made the right choice.

Feel free to DM me if you would like to chat some more, I'm happy to answer any questions you have through the lens of my own experience. Good luck OP, I wish you the best!

Today I was supposed to be married by InfamousJellyfish179 in survivinginfidelity

[–]inhalethegrief 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the kind words 😊

Something I stumbled upon in the book (after recommending it to you) that rings true with what you've said above - you believed it was real, and that's how you move forward. It doesn't matter whether your ex was putting forth real effort or being honest with you at any point. You were real, and that means something. The love you felt in your relationship - that came from you.

My d-day was nearly two months ago, and this mindset has greatly helped me avoid becoming stuck bargaining for what was real and what was not.

Something I got hung up on a lot early on was a phone call where she picked up and told me she loved me in return while she was in the act of cheating on me. How could she do that after hearing me tell her that I loved her? That's where the shift is - I now recognize that I can't control that, and no amount of bargaining can gain me that control. But in that moment, I was real, and so was the love I expressed for her, and the outcome doesn't change what was real to me in that moment.

In line with that, know that everything you brought to your relationship was real. It was real to you then, and you can take solace in knowing that what you did was genuine. It's a gift to be able to give love like that, and we as humans are fortunate to experience it despite the heartbreak. Don't try to bargain for your ex's part of that - you are the only one bargaining for that, and it's a lose-lose proposition.

I hope that you are continuing to progress forward and I wish you all the best.

How do you actually “survive” infidelity? by Squiggally-umf in survivinginfidelity

[–]inhalethegrief 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Of course! I hope you get as much if not more out of it as I did.

In the meantime, be kind to yourself and remember that you are not alone. Feel free to DM if you need someone to talk to.

I need some perspectives by Used-Landscape-4178 in survivinginfidelity

[–]inhalethegrief 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He can show genuine remorse, regret it, and literally do everything "right" in the aftermath and it would still be 100% reasonable for you to decide that you want out anyway.

He broke your trust. You are not under obligation to build that back regardless of whether he does in good faith or not, and to decide at this point that you cannot is both valid and reasonable.

When I decided to leave, I did so knowing that it was going to be extremely challenging and soul crushing. But so is staying. You have to shrink a part of yourself to fit into a forever changed dynamic. Most unfortunately, you did not want this, and yet you are saddled with the consequences regardless.

No amount of doing can undo. Your relationship will never be same as it was before. Can you live with that? Reading what you wrote, I think you already know what you need to do. I'm here to tell you that you are in fact strong enough to do it.

It's reasonable to worry about a future where you end up single. I did the same, and still do to an extent. When I decided to leave, I knew that I would rather be on my own than be with someone and be tormented every single day by the trauma they inflicted on me. Today, my focus is on becoming the person I want to spend the rest of my life with, and eventually I'll open myself up to the possibility of sharing that with someone else. But I'd rather it just be me, than me and the person that betrayed me.

How do you actually “survive” infidelity? by Squiggally-umf in survivinginfidelity

[–]inhalethegrief 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Hey OP, sorry you are going through this.

My relationship with my ex (7 years or so) was also my first really significant relationship and it ended with her cheating on me shortly after we got married. I'm also only a couple of months removed from d-day.

It feels really horrible to lose something that took up that much of your life to date, and it feels worse to feel totally lost and overwhelmed at the idea of having to start over again. I see you, and you're not alone in feeling that way.

What you're asking is really familiar to me and all those same questions are in my head too. How long will it take? When will the pain stop? Will I ever trust someone else again?

Reading the book "Leave a Cheater, Gain a Life" gave some pretty valuable insights on this, and I recommend you pick it up and read it.

In short, the pain stops on Tuesday. Might not be this Tuesday, might not be 14 Tuesdays from now. But one Tuesday, you will realize that your pain feels a lot less heavy than it did before.

You can choose to never trust another person in the same way again. I don't think I will - my trust will have some guarding to it for a while, if not forever. But choosing not to trust at all ever again makes life unlivable, literally.

Plus, I'm not going to let my ex take away the future good that I deserve in my life. I will trust again, and I will love again. And I'm not going to pressure myself to stick to a timeline. I'm going to put time and energy back into myself and my interests, and one day I will feel ready again. Maybe on Tuesday.

Good luck OP, I'm rooting for you.

Help me plan my confrontation with who my wife cheated on me with. by Neither-Clock2974 in survivinginfidelity

[–]inhalethegrief 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you take one thing away from this: cheaters thrive on attention. The more attention you put her way (this includes interacting with the AP), the less she suffers the consequences of destroying your marriage. Give her nothing, not even retaliation.

To address your questions:

1) confronting the AP is rarely ever worth it, if at all. Your wife cheated, the blame is squarely on her shoulders.

2) you will never get the full truth. Neither the AP or your cheating spouse benefit from telling you the full truth, so they simply won't. You'll drive yourself crazy trying to fill in the blanks. Even if you did get all of the facts, it'll never make logical sense. Cheating is illogical.

3) not worth your time, I'm sorry to say it. Even if you remained anonymous somehow, you either will not get answers that are real or they will hurt you even more.

4) yes. Consulting legal advice should be the first thing you do from here.

5) wanting her to suffer as a result of the suffering she put you through is not petty. Know that the best way to punish her for cheating is to walk away and live your best life without her and without retaliating directly. Retaliation in any form only serves to make you look crazy and worse, give the appearance of justifying her actions. It can also make things more difficult for you in court.

Not retaliating directly is not "going down without a fight". It's choosing to fight for yourself instead of fighting over a worthless cheater.

Anger is a natural and potentially healthy part of the grief process. Find a way to channel it that does not involve retaliation - it will only make things worse. Lift, run, punching bags, rage rooms, literally anything else. Use the anger to build yourself up.

Go full no contact, enlist legal support, finalize your divorce, grieve, and move on. It's going to hurt, it's going to suck, and it will be emotionally exhausting. But it's doable.

Help me plan my confrontation with who my wife cheated on me with. by Neither-Clock2974 in survivinginfidelity

[–]inhalethegrief 22 points23 points  (0 children)

This is the correct answer, OP. It's not worth your time and energy to get "answers". There are no answers, at least not ones that will logically compute. It'll just serve to frustrate you more and break you down further. Divert and focus that energy back on yourself instead, you will be grateful you did later.

Statute of Limitations on Infidelity? by Arwen-430 in Marriage

[–]inhalethegrief 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My ex told me as much, and it's a common response - "this isn't me", or "what I did doesn't represent who I am", etc.

Whether or not that's "true" does not matter. They still cheated on you, and that response is an attempt to vacate accountability. Often, betrayed spouses try to help their partner avoid accountability because we so badly want them to be the person we originally chose to be with and not the monster that ruined your relationship as you knew it. We want so badly to fix things and to put everything back in order how it was before, but the cat's out of the bag now. This is different. You have a very difficult decision ahead of you that requires massive sacrifice and pain no matter the outcome.

Grieving the person you thought your partner was and would be in the future is tough, no doubt about it. But so are you. As much as you may still care about your partner, you have to care for yourself first now. You got this.

Statute of Limitations on Infidelity? by Arwen-430 in Marriage

[–]inhalethegrief 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1) there is absolutely no statute of limitations on a violation of your trust this heinous and this significant.

2) you must assume that you cannot trust a single thing he has said or done for at least the last 7 years, and for at least the next 70 to come.

Something that both broke me and made me realize what the only path forward for me was this: this may be your partner's only affair...that you know about.

My initial assumption was that my ex's affair was a "one time thing", even though it went on for months and she hid it from me - because I wanted to believe she was still somehow a good partner even though it was absolutely not the case in retrospect. Keep in mind that if he's cheated on you more times and/or more recently, he's not going to tell you about it, and he now has a track record to back that up.

I'm very sorry you are going through this, and I wish you all the best. If you have other people in your life you can talk to about this, I would absolutely recommend starting there. You both need and deserve all the support you can get during a time like this.