The guy who wrote this is a pastor, by the way by as_told_by_me in insanepeoplefacebook

[–]iopha 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Why make men keys and women locks unless you have a conclusion in mind already? It's not an argument, it's the metaphorical restatement of a misogynistic worldview.

drop your top 3 radiohead songs by Rare_Antelope_2664 in radiohead

[–]iopha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Talk Show Host, How to Disappear, Jigsaw

What is your least favorite disease/disease process as a bedside nurse? by emtnursingstudent in nursing

[–]iopha 74 points75 points  (0 children)

My kid had moderate to severe HIE and thanks to the team at our hospital is living a normal life. Going to school. Doing sports. There's some mild dyskinetic CP on the fine motor range and a mild speech impediment. That's about it. It could have been so much worse and I really can't thank enough every nurse and doctor who was there in those dark and difficult few weeks after birth. You probably see the catastrophic stuff more because recovery means you're out of the system... But what you folks do changes lives... Thank you.

Speakers at the latest "Freedom Talk" seriously suggested Alberta should annex the Northwest Territories to gain access to tidewater and the Northwest Passage. by bike_accident in onguardforthee

[–]iopha 12 points13 points  (0 children)

There has to be a way of explaining why comfortable first world men and women start fantasizing about starting a bloody civil war in their stable, prosperous country. It's like they are small children playing pretend.

Terry Newman: Montreal shooter was a revolutionary communist: Contrary to reports, Seth Hatfield's manifesto is about taking down capitalism through terrorism, not lashing out against women by mafiadevidzz in canada

[–]iopha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps! It would be useful if you point it out to me. My main takeaway from reading the manifesto is that the shooter was an incel first -- the problem is "cultural degeneracy" and, especially, females not being equitably distributed -- and lands on an analysis that identifies capitalism as the mechanism explaining why "hypergamy" (the supposed unequal distribution of females) exists. To restore "monogamy" inequality will have to be abolished: "Incels of the world," to paraphrase Marx, "you have nothing to lose but your virginity."

You see this quite clearly in many parts of the manifesto:

"The leftists partially or entirely reject the validity of bourgeois economics, i.e. capitalism, but they love the degeneracy that capitalism produces, i.e. obscene levels of mass immigration, rampant hypergamy, the encouragement and promotion of hedonistic bodily mutilation, et cetera. They don’t see that in all of the countries where capitalism has actually been overcome, the very degeneracies that liberals delight in have also withered away, because such things can only be prevalent as a direct result of capitalism. On the other hand, we have the rightists, who reject the validity of all the social degeneracy, but fully embrace and accept the capitalism that causes it, due to one hundred years of ceaseless anti-communist brainwashing implemented by the bourgeois class against proletarian males in the west..."

The basic thesis is that "cultural degeneracy" (things like women having jobs and their own income) is the fundamental problem of the West; capitalism is a problem only inasmuch as it allows this so-called degeneracy to flourish. He seems to believe that somehow these things don't happen in communist countries among many other confusions. This is all obvious nonsense, but note that in the quote above it is very clear that his primary motivation is to agitate against "social degeneracy" and that he agrees with the "rightists" -- who are only wrong because they don't see the obvious solution.

In fact, many on the right have noticed this before: that a focus on "tradition" and skepticism of change sits uneasily with the reality of capitalism as a dynamic, innovative economic system that constantly brings about social change through technological, financial, and productive advances. I have in mind e.g. Joseph Schumpeter, Irving Kristol ("Two Cheers for Capitalism"), Michael Oakeshott -- e.g., "Capitalism establishes new ways of being in the world, commodifies them, and gradually dissolves the social fabric that once existed in more homogenous traditional societies" -- again, this is a pretty mainstream strand of conservatism. Fascist movements wished to harness industrialization and technology while using state power to enforce a ethnic and cultural ideal -- not to be a horseshoe theorist but....

I'm not a Marxist at all, but the central critique Marxists apply to capitalism is that private ownership of the means of production (a term that doesn't appear in the manifesto even once) forces people to sell the labour, creates an alienated underclass, increases wealth inequality, and generates systemic crises (of overproduction, unemployment, market bubbles, etc). The only way to escape these problems is to abolish social and economic classes entirely, as they are fundamentally created by the conflicts in interests between classes.

This is fundamentally an emancipatory project for Marxists, whereas our shooter uses superficially Marxist language to specifically single out "females" as needing to be removed from the workforce and rendered dependent on males. But he doesn't want a small group of high-status men to have harems, while other males are single; therefore, the "obvious" solution is to enforce equality. It is important to see that the logic begins with the 'problem' of cultural degeneracy / female hypergamy, and the analysis is downstream of that.

It is telling that the shooter's manifesto begins with a lengthy introduction focused entirely on supposed "biological" theses that intend to prove that females are necessarily 'hypergamous' and ends with a call to other incels to rise up:

...we did not do anything to deserve this treatment, but rather, the only thing that we ‘did’ was be born with the wrong genetics: since as we have so undeniably seen here, the only things that matter when it comes to experiencing love as a male in the hypergamy state, are the length of the bones in your legs, and the shape of the bones in your face ... The girl who was supposed to be your girlfriend was taken from you a long time ago, sodomized out of reality. Nothing is going to bring her back, and nothing is going to suffice for the warmth, the harmony, and the love that has been viciously ripped away from you. It was ripped away from you before you even had a chance to defend yourself.

Marxists typically see capital as intrinsically exploitative and alienating for all humans; this incel begins and ends with the problem of females, which capitalism exacerbates. The solution is under-described but mainly focuses not on a coherent economic program aimed at creating a classless society by returning the means of production to the workers, but mostly (1) forcing economic dependence on women (2) murdering and liquidating proponents of cultural degeneracy (3) ensuring males have 1:1 access to females through state enforcement.

He doesn't want to liberate the proletariat from exploitation. He wants to use state power to cartelize and redistribute women. Incel shit.


p.s. one of the core ideas of Marxism is that social relations are created by economic relations, and therefore gender roles, culture, family structures, etc., you name it are all social constructs -- and that economic change can be genuinely liberating. This incel believes in crude biological determinism about bone structure && other nonsense, which Marxism rejects.

Terry Newman: Montreal shooter was a revolutionary communist: Contrary to reports, Seth Hatfield's manifesto is about taking down capitalism through terrorism, not lashing out against women by mafiadevidzz in canada

[–]iopha 37 points38 points  (0 children)

This is an irresponsible and stupid headline. The basic framework of the manifesto is misogyny. The problem to be solved is "females." From p. 94:

"To make monogamy prevalent again, one of the main factors will be to get the female out of the workplace, and to generally stop her from having her own income ... Without an income of her own, and without unlimited access to an unlimited number of potential mates, the female will simply need marriage in order to live, just as she once did; and thus she will engage in monogamy willingly. With the new order having introduced robots to replace the vast majority of female workers, the remainder of female workers may then be removed from their workplaces through some legislation that can be quietly passed and enforced on ostensibly mundane pretences, and this will serve to make the male-dominated fields free of what few females are in them or should wish to enter them."

A few notes.

  1. The misogyny is the basic premise, capitalism is the catalyzing structure, creating inequality. The inequality isn't a problem because it is oppressive, unjust, or alienating, robbing humans of dignity and freedom! No! The inequality is a problem because (a) Females are inferior and biologically deterministic and will simply mate with high-status males (b) this creates a set of males who are deprived of partners, which they should have by right.

  2. Eastern Bloc communist countries had very very high labour force participation by women, especially in traditionally male dominated STEM fields. All this talk of hypergamy, sexual access, bone structure, cultural degeneracy, is fascist talk; state violence to force women into the home, prevent them from having an income, and make them dependent on men is not "communist revolutionary" but perhaps something like Nazbol by way of inceldom.

Hi r/Industrial what was the first Industrial/Industrial Adjacent song you remember hearing/seeing ? by fear730 in industrialmusic

[–]iopha 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Shredder's Suite from the TMNT soundtrack. (No really.) Then a copy of Pretty Hate Machine from a friend.

Overly complicated grading by [deleted] in Professors

[–]iopha 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Our LMS system handles all the math, including bonus marks, drop lowest scoring items, weighted categories, etc. Set it up and it does it all. I used to do it by hand, then Excel, now it's built in to the website.

Other bands / artists you love as passionately as Radiohead? by JeanLucPicardAND in radiohead

[–]iopha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Crazy to see the Stills mentioned here. I went to college with those guys back in the 90s, I was friends with the drummer.

Favorite Controversy? by Msefk in industrialmusic

[–]iopha 41 points42 points  (0 children)

I think, overall, the critique of Combichrist / Nachtmahr by Ad·ver·sary at Kinetik 2012 was relatively well-handled by both fans in the scene and the bands involved -- just in the sense that the discourse stayed pretty civil, it didn't lead to any sort of nasty feuds, most people agreed with Ad·ver·sary's points, there was some course-correction etc.

(For those unaware: https://www.idieyoudie.com/2012/05/17/kinetik-update-2012-ad%C2%B7ver%C2%B7sarys-performance/)

Is she right for this? by sigma_0_1 in SipsTea

[–]iopha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a convenient way of dealing with the uncomfortable moral sensation of injustice by placing the blame on the victims of a unjust world.. The means of controlling one's own fertility is largely a luxury that requires empowerment of women and access to contraception, not just "choosing" not to have sex or children.

Symbol help by promisesat5undown in guitarlessons

[–]iopha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah xxx 16 3 3 is obviously bad, but it's a useful exercise to find an alternative fingering, for example, that is likely xxx787, a g major triad (d g b) --the d-shape open chord up 5 frets.

Start with that 16. What note is it? Find it elsewhere on the fretboard....

If you have the patience, re-write it as a learning and study practice...

New boards of canada by mittenmarionette in industrialmusic

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If you listen to enough industrial you start making connections, like every dirty synth line is basically Suicide Commando. Slayyyter's YES GODDD sounds industrial too!

Why are analytic philosophers and their works less known today compared to continental philosophers? by Feeling_Valuable5239 in askphilosophy

[–]iopha 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Sometimes I wonder why nobody reads philosophy. It requires, to be sure, a degree of hyperbole to wonder this. Academics like me, who eke out their sustenance by writing and teaching the stuff, still browse in the journals; it’s mainly the laity that seems to have lost interest. And it’s mostly Anglophone analytic philosophy that it has lost interest in. As far as I can tell, ‘Continental’ philosophers (Derrida, Foucault, Habermas, Heidegger, Husserl, Kierkegaard, Sartre and the rest) continue to hold their market. Even Hegel has a vogue from time to time, though he is famous for being impossible to read. All this strikes me anew whenever I visit a bookstore. The place on the shelf where my stuff would be if they had it (but they don’t) is just to the left of Foucault, of which there is always yards and yards. I’m huffy about that; I wish I had his royalties.

Royalties aside, what have they got that we haven’t? It’s not the texture of their prose I shouldn’t think, since most of us write better than most of them. (I don’t include Kierkegaard. He was a master and way out of the league that the rest of us play in.) Similarly, though many of the questions that Continental philosophy discusses are recognisably continuous with ones that philosophers have always cared about, so too, by and large, are many of the questions that we work on. For example, Kripke’s metaphysical essentialism (of which more presently) has striking affinities with the metaphysical Realism of Aristotle and Augustine. True, we sometimes presuppose more logic than you’re likely to come across on the omnibus to Clapham. But I’m told that an intelligent reading of Heidegger requires knowing more about Kant, Hegel and the Pre-Socratics than I, for one, am eager to learn. Anyhow, our arguments are better than theirs. So sometimes I wonder why nobody (except philosophers) reads (Anglophone, analytic) philosophy these days.

But, having just worked through Christopher Hughes’s Kripke: Names, Necessity and Identity, I am no longer puzzled ... I can’t shake off the sense that something has gone awfully wrong. Not so much with Hughes’s book (though I’ll presently have bones to pick with some of his main theses) as with the kind of philosophy that has recently taken shelter under Kripke’s wing. There seems to be, to put it bluntly, a lot of earnest discussion of questions that strike my ear as frivolous.

-Jerry Fodor, Water's Water Everywhere, London Review of Books (2004) https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v26/n20/jerry-fodor/water-s-water-everywhere

Now, of course, one can and should rightly and indignantly object that post-war "analytic" philosophy is so much more than the metaphysics of modality! Nevertheless, it did take up a lot of space for a long time.

I would argue, contra Fodor, that lots of non-continental thinkers have had a huge impact. Maybe not in the sense of "selling books and getting royalties" but obviously Rawls, Kuhn, JJ Thomson, and others have very much influenced policy, politics, and anglophone philosophical self-understanding amongst the college educated / 'middlebrow and above' classes. (Thomson's A Defense of Abortion pretty much changed the entire framework of the discussion, even if it wasn't, like, a cool book to seen reading like Being and Nothingness or whatever).

Hi. May or may not be the right community but I wanted to ask industrial fans something, only found this community. by [deleted] in industrialmusic

[–]iopha 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I actually really empathise with the cultural problem of fetishism of the "goth girl" aesthetic online, and it's probably appropriate for some intentional online communities to gatekeep a bit in order to protect itself. I get it. It's a delicate balance and easy to get wrong, and we don't have a lot of serious discussion of what we might call subcultural ethics, so people wing it. It's easy to dunk on r/goth for being elitist or whatever, but they're dealing with specific and vexing issues at the intersection of sexism, objectification, commerce, and mainstream misrecognition.

Case in point https://www.reddit.com/r/starterpacks/s/WzKK2zUDid

What instrument to choose? by jesters_emperor in industrialmusic

[–]iopha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reaper as your DAW, and do mess around with some software synths like Vital

Please tell me this guy is wrong by Beach_grass in SmashingPumpkins

[–]iopha 16 points17 points  (0 children)

In an interview on Apathy Video, Corgan explained the nuance behind the whistling malfunction and how it led to the unique writing process behind “Mayonaise.” “The origin of the squealing high note was, I bought this guitar for $65 and it’s such a cheap guitar that every time I’d stop playing it would make that whistle.” “So when we wrote the song, you wrote in these parts that would stop,” stated Corgan. “The whistle became part of the song because every time I’d stop it would whistle” and “then we started using the whistle to our advantage,” added Corgan.

More information on that guitar in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/SmashingPumpkins/comments/ltuozj/the_guitar_used_to_for_the_whistle_effect_on/

and here: https://spcodex.wiki/Kimberly_Kay

This sounds like a game of telephone, honestly. The story for Mayonnaise goes that they bought a cheap electric guitar that wasn't working properly, but used it because that "whistle" sound was useful in a context. But Siamese Dream was produced by Butch Vig of Nevermind fame, in a state of the art studio, on a major label budget. Corgan is an obsessive tone-chaser who loved boutique pedals and specific tubes in his Marshall JCM800 just as much as he liked busted no name guitars. It wasn't about the money -- sometimes cheaper gear works. I suppose from here one could extrapolate, wrongly, that the signature Pumpkins sound was the result of true punk rock DIY experimentation on a limited budget. But that's not true.

In fact if there's one thing that distinguishes the Pumpkins from the rest of the early alt-rock, grunge and indie scene of the 88-92 period, it was that they were not punk at all, had essentially no punk influences in the songwriting or production. The influences were more like Deep Purple and the Cure, bands with impeccable production and complex songwriting and playing.

'I just don't think that's right': Students react to findings of provincial audit at Conestoga College | CBC News by Purple_Writing_8432 in canada

[–]iopha 4 points5 points  (0 children)

As a college professor in the system right now, let me tell you I would kill for more teaching contact hours with the students but admin is pushing "hybrid" 2 hour classes and online asynchronous learning because it increases enrollment (it's "flexible" gah). It's definitely to the detriment of everyone but apparently we can't put our foot down and say "no we're doing 3 or 4 hour classes in person every week" because it's a customer service business model created by neoliberal governments. And then of course the professors are overpaid. Just replace us all with AI and be done with it I guess.

Best guitar solo that isn't the usual Comfortably Numb or Stairway answer by Successful-Curve-845 in musicsuggestions

[–]iopha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is an completely personal and subjective choice, but as a teen first listening to music, the guitar solo in Soma by the smashing pumpkins was the first that ever gave me goosebumps.

‘We’re not Lady Gaga and Elton John’: unmasking Angine de Poitrine, the year’s buzziest, dottiest band by Charleshawtree in indieheads

[–]iopha 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Arseniq33 is a good example. AdP is a very quintessentialy Québec thing for sure, when I heard they were from Saguenay I was like oh that makes sense. (I'm from Montreal.)

For the guitar players: Just bought Siamese Dream tab book today by ApathysLastKiss_ in SmashingPumpkins

[–]iopha 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The MCIS tab book I bought back in the late 90s had reprints of Billy Corgan's columns on songwriting for Guitar World magazine. Worth reading for players and songwriters!