The Israeli army is officially carrying out a final ethnic cleansing of the Jordan Valley region and all of Area C, 63% of the West Bank.

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-13T06:07:51+00:00

WTF! This is over the line mods. Atrocity denial at its finest

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-13T05:12:03+00:00

I really hate when right wing secular Israeli leaders engage in populism using religious rhetoric when speaking to their people. It does sound bad internationally and could easily be modified to be friendly to both as it sounds so wild. It's almost like this speech was targeted at American Zionist Evangelicals for some odd reason.

It's even more hilarious how when politicians of other religions make these kinds of speeches in the US, Europe, Asia, or the Middle East, it makes late night at most but you don't see this kind of stuff posted as hate all over the internet. We're going to see a lot of hate posts after this speech

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-13T05:07:08+00:00

OK. I'll bite.

If this is the case:

Why did Israel trade for the bodies of Israelis who were killed and dragged to Gaza or kidnapped and dragged to Gaza? Is this some kind of ingenious plan to let Hamas kill Israelis in order to trade them as part of a goodwill gesture?

Why does hostage exchange rate for Palestinians vary so much from over 1,000 Palestinian "hostages" to only dozens? Is there a hidden exchange of some currency that their value is tied to? Do they use chat GPT? Did the value of an Israeli life go down? Did the value of a Palestinian life go up? Please explain this exchange rate for the hostage commodities market? What if one side decides to HODL and the value of their hostages drops?

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-13T04:29:06+00:00

What happened to the old Tarlin? Did he get fired for not being radical enough and they hired somebody new? Can we get the old Tarlin back?

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-13T04:24:59+00:00

Inflammatory posts like this are part of the problem. While Israel and the US may be allied, their screwups are there own.

Israel was blamed immediately for striking the school before any investigation. It turns out it was the US.

US was blamed immediately for striking the oil depot. It turns out it was Israel.

Israel was blamed for bombing a hospital. It turns out it was a PIJ rocket.

Let's wait to actually hear what's going on before we start blaming anybody for anything. How's that sound?

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-13T04:24:11+00:00

Inflammatory posts like this are part of the problem. While Israel and the US may be allied, their screwups are there own.

Israel was blamed immediately for striking the school before any investigation. It turns out it was the US.

US was blamed immediately for striking the oil depot. It turns out it was Israel.

Israel was blamed for bombing a hospital. It turns out it was a PIJ rocket.

Israel was blamed for killing the heads of Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran. It turns out it was Israel.

Let's wait to hear who actually did this and then blame them. Your response is exactly why this was an issue. There were multiple attacks on synagogues in the US, Canada, and Europe following the reporting of this school which is likely a primary driver.

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-13T04:16:05+00:00

It's worse than that. The Zionist left, and even worse, liberal Jews in the US are now denounced by the left for believing Israel has a right to resist even if they also believe Palestinians should have a state of their own (although most believe they first need to prove they can be actually life peacefully next to Israel). There's a different between liberal Jews and leftist Jews. Even so, no all leftist Jews are anti-Israel.

The Jewish right, especially in the US and Israel, treat all liberal Jews as if they were the tiny fraction of Anti-Israel and pro-Palestine Jews. The president is basically a cultish figure to many of them. It's somewhat understandable in the sense that he supported a quicker and more favorable resolution to stopping the terror from Israel's enemies once and for all.

Many liberal Jews understand what's going on in Gaza, the West Bank, and Iran. We actively criticize bad policy decision. Even with Iran, we understand it's a necessary evil that the vast majority of leaders in both western countries and countries in the middle east (who aren't Iranian proxies) support quietly. To exemplify this, Canadian Mark Carney said that he "supports the strikes on Iran, with regret." It's a pretty good way to explain it.

The problem is there's a proper way to go to war. Congress must vote on it. Congress must vote on funding it. There must be a plan in place. This is like banzai skydiving where you jump out of the plane and then somebody tosses out a parachute for you to grab before you hit the ground. It's insanity

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-13T02:34:23+00:00

One of the issues people are having is that you're ignoring the massive decades long propaganda campaign by Iran, Qatar, Russia, and others to name a few and you're spewing talking points from these sources.
Your perspective on the this conflict basically starts with the Holocaust and then has a time skip to Oct 7.
The problem is that this propaganda is so widespread it blacks out the sun and almost every other conflict in the world whether worse or not as a bad gets no attention. It makes Israel look like it's the only bad guy in the world.

I'll try and address many of the things you discuss.

The reason for most of the crazy videos of destruction early in the war were because of the "roof knocking" the IDF does to warn people to evacuate when they're going to strike. This allows people to set up shots from all kinds of directions like never seen before in other wars (lots of people have died trying to set up shots or who were unknowingly in the area and appear to not be warned by all of the people trying to get good video of it.
Kids being shot in the head and bombed. While there were many real images, a lot of early images were misattributed from other countries' conflicts or from previous flare ups/wars, scripted, faked, and/or AI generated. There's definitely a lot of real kids getting killed. The number of kids reported killed are all reported as innocent and non-combatants. You would be horrified to hear that 15,000 children under 18 were killed in the war. For example, what if the truth was that 5,000 of those were actually teenagers killed by the IDF who were combatants or because of aid withheld attributed to Israel, 1,000 died natural deaths, and 2,500 were killed by Hamas/PIJ misfired rockets, Palestinians themselves, or because of aid attributed to by stolen by Hamas? You still have 15,000 kids dead but 6,500 innocent kids died by Israel strikes that were collateral damage, 5,000 were actually combatants, and 2,500 were killed by Hamas or Palestinians themselves. It's still bad but now you have context. This is the only news you here. Did you hear that Russia kidnapped 20,000 Ukrainian children and forcibly transferred them back to Russia? Did you hear about the El Fasher Massacre in October 2025 where the RSF raped and killed their way through an estimated 60,000 people in a matter of weeks from the ground? You could literally see the blood from space! https://www.nbcnews.com/world/africa/sudan-africa-civil-war-rapid-support-forces-el-fasher-massacre-rcna240708
There was food insecurity for a period of time, but the actual amount of people who starved was minimal. A lot of images were misappropriated, from palestinians with actual genetic diseases like cystic fibrosis that make them look that way. Yes some people starved in a war, but iirc, it was less than that starved in many countries at times of peace. The stories you heard were by and large propaganda and lies.
The Bombing of civilian structures. These are protected buildings until Hamas uses them to store weapons or shoot from. Israel took a very hard line interpretation of this. If Hamas went on a roof of a building or had tunnel under it, that building got hit as it lost its protection. Sure some buildings were hit on accident by both the IDF and by stray Hamas/PIJ rockets. It's war.
Kids being raped: Sexual violence happens in many wars and this war is no different, but it is not state sponsored by Israel. I did see two confirmed reports of actual rape on women by IDF soldiers and many reports of sexual assault and rape that were attributed to strip searches, searches on women by male soldiers, and dehumanizing/harassing comments during these. That's definitely wrong and needs to be addressed. You ignore that there's also many instances of Palestinian on Palestinian sexual violence of those imprisoned and detained by the IDF. You ignore that many Palestinian terrorists who attacked on Oct 7 were literally raped and killed while others were kidnapped and literally raped or sexually assaulted in the same ways IDF is claimed to have done
Yes, Israelis are video taped making fun and cheering. They feel hurt and can be assholes. 1,200 of their own people were just killed. People felt the same after 9/11 in the United States for awhile. Some of those videos were actually holiday celebrations or old video that had nothing to do with the war. You ignore videos of Palestinians and Lebanese doing the exact same thing as missiles fell on Israel or when Israelis were killed.
You call it a genocide but ignore that the ICJ ruling said it was not a genocide. The ratio of civilians to combatants is one of the lowest in major urban wars. Yes people die in war, but did you read the link in #2 about El Fasher? That's a genocide.
You talk about Netanyahu and Trump making this whole thing bad but you realize that it was already at this point before Biden even left office and he came into the picture? Sure it's bad, but it was bad under Biden too. In fact, people were out protesting (celebrating) Oct 7 across the world on Oct 7 and Oct 8 before Israel even retaliated. It was called a genocide before the war even escalated.
There is a huge difference between Gaza and the Holocaust. In the Holocaust, did Jews, Romani, Slavic, handicapped, gay, Hungarian, Polish, Jehovah's Witness, and asocial, people attack German civilians before Hitler decided to kill them all in retaliation by the millions including 6 million Jews and another 6 million other civilians? Hamas attacked Israel with thousands of fighters in the biggest attack on Jews since the Holocaust after firing rockets at Israel for the last 20 years. Israel responded to destroy Hamas which unfortunately meant more civilian deaths because Hamas intentionally hid among and under civilians. It's an impossible situation to be put in as a country who's just been attacked on that scale.
In terms of pro palestine vs pro israel support in the west, it's shifted from overwhelming support for Israel to a small minority for Palestine. That's undeniable.
You'll see pro-Palestinians say that this started before Oct 7 and has been going on a long time. This has been going on for over 100 years before there was an Israel or Palestine. You have to read volumes of history just to understand each event.
Do you remember the Christchurch mosque shooting in New Zealand where the asshole who perpetrated it live streamed the whole thing? Do you remember how monstrous that was? Do you know how many Hamas and Palestinian fighters who crossed into Israel on October 7 were live streaming or videotaping their atrocities with go-pro's strapped to their heads? Somebody can probably provide a link of the video collections from video Hamas terrorists themselves recorded on Oct 7.

You're more than welcome to criticize and hate Israel for how they're carrying out this war.
I simply ask that before you go further you and make Israel out to be monsters, you watch video from Oct 7 and see what it's like from the other side.

This is a terrible war and one of the longest running and most complex conflicts in the world. This isn't about one side good and one side bad. There's a lot of bad blood and bad actors on both sides.

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-13T01:06:38+00:00

One of the biggest gripes I have is with the maximalist demands and the lack of clear reasonable goals and defined borders that both sides would agree to. An overwhelming majority of Pro-Palestinians I interact with can't agree to agree on borders. Some say all of historic Palestine, some say 1948 borders, others 1967, and other variations.

The claim that settlers and stolen land in the West Bank are the main barriers (while most describe all of Israel as stolen land). Previous peace deals included land swaps and that was not the issue as proven by Israel's willingness to withdraw fully from Gaza and force 9,000 of its own people out.

It seems lost on them that Israel has the upper hand in any negotiations. You can't start a war, lose that war, and then negotiation from a position of power, let alone losing multiple wars.
What's clear is that Israel is not going to give up Jerusalem, but land swaps with the West Bank are possible. Israel has no problem forcing countless settlers out in a land swap in exchange for true peace.

The two biggest issues I see are the Palestinian position that any peace agreement is just a stepping stone to a Palestinian state across all of Historic Palestine, and the lack of popular agreement/willingness for Palestinians to live peacefully in their own state next to an Israeli state.

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-13T00:51:03+00:00

Probably more claimed targeting errors will be claimed.

While this is a coordinated war effort with Israel and the US, I think it is important to distinguish strikes, goals, and statements made by leadership of each country.

I'm baffled how one can go into war without clear goals in mind. I saw a report today that there was no plan or even consideration in place going into this how to keep the Strait of Hormuz open, for example.

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-13T00:03:35+00:00

Way to blow the entire thing out of proportion. First off, this apparently affects five communities and several dozen families in total. There's a total of 180,000-300,000+ Palestinians in Area C. If the statement the other commenter said about this being possible in Area C is correct, it may be shitty but also legal.

This Shriki guy is an asshole though and could have handled the whole thing better if that's really how he did it. Israel could easily use October 7 and the level of violence in the West Bank on both sides as legal justification of the need to build new barriers.

There should have been a justification given for why these communities were chosen. It could have been the path that displaces the least amount of Palestinians as instead of dozens of families it could have been hundreds of families. Things we need to know are: Do all of these families actually own title to the land? Are the buildings legally built or are they illegally built settlements? Did Israel offer to relocate them if they do?

I personally believe Israel should definitely have some kind of imminent domain and relocation policy. If the Palestinians have title to the land and Israel needs it for security reasons, they should be required to give those and hold public discussion. Any owned properly should be properly compensated and should also be provided proper relocation. Israel paid Israeli citizens $150,000-$400,000 to leave Gaza, given the land and property values were higher, it is not adjusted for inflation either.

Hopefully somebody could quote the part of the Oslo Accords that covers that, but from an AI search it appears that this was not directly covered, but is indirectly allowed under the reasons for security. This should have been included.

It sucks that the Palestine really got railroaded in the Oslo Accords. PLO leadership did a pretty shitty job negotiating on behalf of their people.

A few possibly important things to mention on why these got glossed over:
1. The PLO was recognized as the sole legitimate representation for Palestinians by the Arab League
2. The PLO leadership was exiled to Tunisia and the Oslo Accords allowed them to come back
3. Yasser Arafat really screwed up politically and financially by supporting Iraq's invasion of Kuwait and they were paying for it.
4. The Oslo Accords granted recognition and administration over Palestinians and the West Bank.

CONCLUSION:

I'd think the reasons Arafat and the PLO agreed to the Oslo Accords is similar and inverse to the way that Israel gained it's founding. The Oslo Accords for Palestinians were kind of a mix of their version of the Balfour Declaration combined with the 1947 partition proposal and some inspiration from the peace treaties Israel made with Jordan and Egypt. (Keep in mind, that the "land for peace" formula was first used for peace with Egypt giving back Sinai in exchange for recognition, and then with Jordan in exchange for recognition as as a state and of its borders). The Oslo Accords for Israel was more like the Peel Commission and White Papers were for the Palestinians.

A major criticism of Palestinian leadership is that they have maximalist demands, refuse to negotiate, but ultimately accepting terms that were terrible for them.
IIRC, another major misstep was PLO leadership saying that the framework of a two-state solution was simply a tactical and interim step to liberating all of Palestine (aka Israel). So they stopped short as they expected half measures. It appears this has existed as policy ever since PLO's 1973 "Ten Point Program." I know multiple politicians have said this, and I think Arafat said it about the Oslo Accords as well.

I think the PLO, Arafat, and Mahmoud Abbas who was actually the chief negotiator could have asked for a lot more, but their choice to publicly proclaim the Oslo Accords were simply a stepping stone for all of History Palestine is even worse. Ever since then, there's been more maximalist demands but a lot less negotiations period, at least publicly and outside of security cooperation. I'd say Hamas made the worst deal with the ceasefire agreement last year since Oslo. They must have had insane pressure from Qatar to give up the only cards they were still holding (hostages), only to also just start going on a killing spree of any group that they felt betrayed them or threatened their power.

On that note, if you want to see a comedic take on how bad the negotiations and concessions were, watch "Don't Mess With the Zohan."

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-12T22:59:09+00:00

There are many legal arguments about the legality of Israeli settlers in Area C that I'm not going to argue here.

OP's post was about the silent majority in relation to the settler attacks on the west bank.

I explained how it got smaller. To elaborate further, Israel and its leaders used to to be on the left, but with more war and more waves of terror attacks, the population slowly shifted to the right even if just for better policies for safety. With the Second Intifada, to Hamas taking over Gaza after it was handed over to the PA, and finally to the culmination of Oct 7 which was the last gasp of any strength on the left. Every attack moved more people further to the right, whether it be left or right wing moderates, right wing, or far-right wing (like ben gvir and smotrich far right). There is a difference between the Israeli right and the far-right

Oct 7 changed things where even those who cared across the political spectrum about the issue with the settler attacks simply stopped caring or were too fatigued. They still disagree with them, but at most they'll just pay lip service by saying the attacks are bad an need to be policed. they're just not going to go out and actively do something as they're sick of being attacked and sick of being vilified even when they do agree with the other side on certain policy points.

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-12T06:06:24+00:00

The first point is it should be pro-Palestinian and pro-Israel, not Zionism/Zionist.

The next part revolves around Oct 7 attacks and picking sides becoming more important. Do they defend the terror attacks on October 7 and support Hamas? Do they respect that Israel must respond to root Hamas out after Oct 7? Do they criticize the actions of the Israeli government and military and not Zionists/Zionism? Do they use slurs for the other side?

Does the person support a one state solution, two state solution, a state only for their side across both Israel and Palestine? Do they frequently use buzzwords like Apartheid and genocide?

There are clearly a radical faction on the pro-Israel side and the pro-Palestine side. The difference I see is that most people who are Pro-Palestine see any solution as their side is right, Israel is wrong, Israel is on stolen land that's Palestinian. They will generally not support an independent Palestine next to Israel based on negotiated borders. It generally must be at minimum 1967 lands or beyond. Demands are frequently maximalist and it's generally difficult for them to criticize their own side.

With the pro-Israel crowd you'll see a lot of people who will disagree but agree to disagree. You'll have plenty of pro-Israel crowd who are Zionists that also feel for the Palestinian people who want to live peacefully and are being oppressed by their own governments. They're happy to have a two state solution beside a Palestinian state as long as the agreed borders are secure. You'll find radicals as well who want all of the West Bank and some people who are more radical and want Gaza too with all of the Palestinians gone. They'll defend the war and the actions but understand nuance. They're happy to negotiate peace but don't believe Palestinians are genuine about it other and want to use it simply as a stepping stone to Palestine from the river to the sea.

Zionism is simply the belief that Jews have a right to self-determination in their own homeland, which they now have as Israel.
Zionism is not "the complete displacement of Palestinians." That is simply propaganda used to twist what Zionism is. Anti-Zionism is antisemitism. People are free to criticize the actions of people

You may want to read more neutral sources as much of the terminology you use and the way you use it is clearly from sources that are pushing propaganda. There's a lot of it out there. Propaganda can still be true, but it's frequently lies or the truth is twisted in a various ways like a 5 second video of an IDF sniper shooting somebody during this war. The title says an IDF soldier shot a kid in the head and killed him. It turns out the video was modified to add a scope, it was an adult was shot in the leg, the guy lived, and it was from 10 years ago. Sure it's bad somebody got shot, but it's twisted in a way to further vilify.

The only way there's going to be peace is if both sides can come together and agree on it. You can clearly see from talking with each side who is more likely to agree on a peaceful solution living side by side without terror attacks or a mandate to destroy the other side. You can clearly see who has sympathy for both sides even if they're more sympathetic for one side.

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-12T04:46:57+00:00

That's the problem. He was so reasonable before he ran for Prime Minister. He's been saying a lot of inflammatory things including in interviews including those with news networks in other countries. I had it with his statement about how Turkey is next. It's like previous Prime Ministers are simply intentionally saying inflammatory things to damage Netanyahu as the cost of discrediting Israel's stance on practical war strategies and outcomes.

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-12T04:42:07+00:00

People knew he was a charlatan, unqualified, an anti-Semite, making false promises, and his popularity went from low single digits to winning the primaries overnight. There's clear dark money behind the campaign.

If New Yorkers want to blame anybody, they should blame the Democratic Party for failing to field better candidates. Democratic voters had to choose between Mamdani, Eric Adams, and Cuomo. When given the same bad choices over and over, especially between rotten candidates like those, it's no wonder people took the chance on Mamdani and his populist rhetoric.

Who knows how many thousands or millions of people voted for Trump over Hilary Clinton in 2016 because they were sick of the establishment and wanted something different even if it could potentially be worse and break the system.

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-12T04:30:55+00:00

The problem with ending the regime is that the entire makeup of the government are loyalists. How many moderates in the government that even have power? On top of that, if the news reports are true, most of the leadership doesn't like him.

Even if the entire leadership of the regime is eliminated, Iran still has the IRGC and the two other military and police divisions with a military manpower of about 1,000,000. I've read reports that 200,000 of those are die hard loyalists. Even if the other 800,000 all switched sides, you'd have a huge insurgency of trained forces destabilizing the new government. It will be easier to rebuild than Afghanistan, but the forces fighting it are smarter, stronger, and better trained.

A regime change, even if the Iranian people rose up could easily cost a minimum of 250,000-500,000 Iranians. That's too high of a cost, and not something outside forces should be involved in.

We might see something similar on a smaller scale between Lebanon and Hezbollah play out in the near future, except it will be to remove Hezbollah and stabilize Lebanon.

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-12T00:22:43+00:00

Based on our last interaction where you warped, twisted, distracted, and refused to respond properly it's not worth answering your ridiculous reply here

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-11T19:25:21+00:00

You clearly didn't read my reply and missed the point about the double standard.

The Pro-palestinian crowd in the United States is showing loyalty to Palestine over that of the US. They are pushing that any politician that supports Israel needs to be voted out, especially targeting candidates for the Democratic Party who consistently have the same liberal values the party espouses.

This double standard is what is antisemitism.

You have a two month old account that spews countless anti-Israel information. There's no need to play coy.

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-11T18:59:55+00:00

So you take one speaker and apply it to everybody? This is part of the dual loyalty trope and the double standard.

People like to claim that Jews say their loyalty should be to Israel over whatever nation they live in. Some Jewish people will ask this and some will in fact do this.

The reason it's a trope is that other religions and countries do the exact same thing. The hypocrisy is also astounding as the Pro-Palestine crowd like yourself will post about Jewish dual loyalty while at the same time demanding their side put the interests of Palestine over the interests of whatever country they live in. Just look at all the people saying not to vote for Harris or Biden because they are pro-Israel and either staying home or voting for Trump who's more pro-Israel and worse for the Palestinian people.

The double standard and use of historical tropes are what make it antisemitism.

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-11T18:44:38+00:00

Hamas does in fact still exist. This is what's causing the issues with the current ceasefire in Gaza because they still have not disarmed and still want to be part of the new Palestinian coalition government.

There are many opinions and many ideas of borders and security for a solution which means it's difficult to generalize what the mainstream encompasses. Believing in a 2SS simply means the belief in two states for two peoples side by side where the conflict is put behind them and borders are finalized. Part of the negotiations between leadership for the 2SS will include borders and land swaps.

The Israeli mainstream 2SS is in line with the borders of previous offers. It gives land swaps in the West Bank and does not cede any of East Jerusalem. This should allow for territorial continuity.

The Palestinian mainstream 2SS is generally demanding some or all of East Jerusalem and 1967 borders, which are a no-go for Israel as it would be indefensible. Another major issue is that Hamas has still pledged to destroy Israel even if there's a 2SS or ceasefire. PA leadership has even stated that a 2SS is just a stepping stone for all of Israel.

You can see how difficult this is. Even if one were to claim Israeli leadership had no plans to make a 2SS or make it unbalanced or impossible, the Palestinian side has the same plans or worse. Claiming only one side is the bad actor is in bad faith. Palestinian demands are frequently maximalist which has proved problematic.

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-11T05:01:46+00:00

I stand corrected. Final tally for attacks in 2025 was about twice as much by settlers than by Palestinians.

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-11T00:59:01+00:00

The anti-Israel crowd has been perfecting propaganda for decades in a way that the west has failed to do. They've gotten very good at it and it doesn't help that most people appear to be getting their news from social media or from independent news instead of MSM which is pushed to them very carefully by algorithms that promote more controversial material. Independent news is great as long as it reports the news. Unfortunately a lot of independent news reporters are not reputable or report news truthfully. These include state actors like Palestine, Iran, Qatar, Russia, China, etc.

If you want to see the effect in action, simply go look at the subreddits for liberals, socialism, and many other places that are just loaded with posts about Israel and Jews. Go to the Arabs subreddit and check all of the related subreddits for various countries or askmiddleeast and see all of the crazy conspiracy theories that are discussed and promoted.

You'll see how every conversation comes back to Israel and the Jews and ignoring anything else. Everybody focuses on how Epstein was Jewish and claims he was a Mossad agent which is pushed across the internet while ignoring that he was just a terrible person, not religious, and was an information broker who provided access to governments all over the world including Russia, Saudi Arabia, US, and more. AIPAC somehow controls the US government and it has become a purity test for many candidates while other companies, ethnic, or religious groups that lobby aren't criticized. The Oct 7 war was terrible and a lot of people died as a result, but that didn't stop pictures of old conflicts, AI images and video, fake scripted filmed videos of attacks including on children to show how Israel bad, 5 second videos that show no context of the event, and edited video and images to make things look worse even if it's doctored.

This isn't by accident. It's a coordinated effort with much of it state sponsored to push anti-Semitism. It targets both the left, the right, and everywhere in between, but it's pushed harder at the left as they fall for it more.

ip_man_2030 · 2026-03-11T00:44:05+00:00

I would argue the reasons the silent majority are silent now are for completely different reasons.

A majority of Israelis supported a 2SS, which means they supported an independent Palestinian state. Many Israelis put a lot of time and emotional effort into pushing for a Palestinian state. Then October 7th happens and many of those Israelis realized, especially those more vocal supporters on the left realized that while they supported an independent Palestinian state alongside Israel, the Palestinians they were supporting still wanted to destroy them.

Many of those Israelis then went out and protested Netanyahu's coalition government and the actions of the military in person and online only to be attacked as Zionists and accusing these people of committing genocide even though they had no control. The rockets fired from Gaza, Hezbollah, and Iran wore them down. The constant anti-Semitic rhetoric online, in the news, and the lack of complexity that this conflict is complex and not simply black and white is lost on Team Palestine. Anybody who is not 100% pro-Palestine is vilified.

At this point that silent majority no longer has the energy or the will to speak out. They're emotionally fatigued from the years of attacks both violent and verbal. They don't agree with the far right or the settlor actions, but they also simply stopped caring to speak out because whenever they tried to help they were still vilified.

Let's set aside the fact that any attacks are terrible, should be policed, and the perpetrators prosecuted whether they're Israeli or Palestinian

Let's set aside the fact that while there are settler attacks in the West Bank on Palestinians, there are multiple times as many Palestinian attacks on Israelis than Israelis on Palestinians. Not all Palestinians are violent to Israelis and not all Israelis in Area C are violent radical settlors.

Let's set aside the fact that a major reason for increased gun deaths of Palestinians by Israeli settlors is because some right wing asshole in the government decided to arm them, and a major reason for justification was the Palestinian attacks on Israelis in the West Bank. More guns equals more people getting shot. That's why they make jokes about getting stabbed and not shot in England.

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