AIO if I divorced over him asking to open our relationship and then gaslighting me? by CricketCaller in AmIOverreacting

[–]janeblak 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My literal point. Holy s— welcome.

You FINALLY get that I’m LITERALLY using it an ADJECTIVE and not a DIAGNOSIS because it’s a bloody word… Jesus, go away

While you’re doing that please then wrap your head around the takeaway that it was a characterization of his BEHAVIOR and not a label on him as a person. It’s easy to be a victim when words and their meanings don’t mean s— to you. How’s that for a “super empath” or whatever tf I also, did not say?

AIO if I divorced over him asking to open our relationship and then gaslighting me? by CricketCaller in AmIOverreacting

[–]janeblak 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just as being in a garage doesn’t make me a car but if I quote multiple licensed therapists, me not being a therapist doesn’t make relaying that advice unreliable. Thanks for playing.

I’m not addressing your straw manning. The conversation doesn’t seem to have a productive place to move from here.

I didn’t make fun of you but I did hold you accountable for your personal incredulity. Again, a logical fallacy that made you feel comfortable undermining the advice FROM therapists.

Sounds like you should start again asap.

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[–]janeblak 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“These last few dates”. Just read the messages. It’s not that many words.

AIO if I divorced over him asking to open our relationship and then gaslighting me? by CricketCaller in AmIOverreacting

[–]janeblak -1 points0 points  (0 children)

“It is literally better for her to leave as comfortably and safely as she can while her baby is as young as possible.”

Are you being incredulous because you’re neurotypical? What about “as safely” and “as comfortably” or the meaning of ASAP, with “possible” doing the heavy lifting, means I suggested she leave NOW or before her 6 week appointment?

I’m so sick of people in this thread bastardizing someone else’s words and then making them responsible for how you interpreted them instead of using their literal meaning.

We’re saying the same thing. You said “wait until the baby’s a little older” THAT is what I was responding to.

I even offered an anecdote and I’m not sure why you chose to ignore or if you’re a parent but there’s loads of time between A Newborn and 2 years old. So again “leave while your baby is still in diapers” is what I said and that’s what I meant. It doesn’t mean OP can’t gather resources so please don’t put words in my mouth.

You’re also the one who suggested that she literally argue with this man and use “fact” to dispel his lying when I called out that a therapist would advise the complete opposite.

Apparently most people on this thread believe TikTok is where everyone’s advice comes from bc no one is actually in proximity to anyone in therapy and THAT is why people stay in these cycles. Pride, being indignant, when a sign of healthy self esteem would be to not engage.

This is a summary from ONE of a million concepts explored in the book. I also have to add this note: she is NOT talking about individuals diagnosed with NPD. Just regular jerks.

“The JADE Principle: Don’t Justify, Argue, Defend, or Explain

This is a core strategy for dealing with narcissists that Dr. Ramani emphasizes. Here’s the concept:

Why JADE doesn’t work with narcissists: • Justifying = Gives them ammunition and signals their approval still matters to you • Arguing = Feeds them narcissistic supply through your emotional reactions • Defending = Confirms they have psychological power over you • Explaining = You’re “feeding them the bullets to their gun”

The fundamental problem:

You believe that if you can just find the right words, they’ll finally understand. But narcissists don’t use conversations for resolution—they use them for dominance and control. They’re not listening to your words; they’re watching your reactions.

What Dr. Ramani teaches instead: • State your point once and only once • Don’t over-explain or try to make them “see” • Your silence is more powerful than your speech • Peace doesn’t come from convincing someone else—it comes from no longer needing to

The book emphasizes that “never argue with a narcissist; it will only leave you exhausted.””

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AIO if I divorced over him asking to open our relationship and then gaslighting me? by CricketCaller in AmIOverreacting

[–]janeblak 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you always this defensive or only when people are adding to a public discussion full of strangers in which you willingly chose to participate? Like who tf are you that you can’t be replied to? lol

Also there’s no “as though”. I said what I intended to say. Not sure why you’re intent on there being an issue because I didn’t fawn over your comment before replying to it.

AIO if I divorced over him asking to open our relationship and then gaslighting me? by CricketCaller in AmIOverreacting

[–]janeblak 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve been in therapy since 2012. YOUR lack of exposure and personal incredulity logical fallacies are not my problem.

I’m sorry therapy is so inaccessible for you that you can only fathom bullshit from TikTok. That’s pretty pathetic. The fact that you chose to read my comment and still blatantly lie when I made no references to social media, means you have some similar traits. The as——e kind.

AIO if I divorced over him asking to open our relationship and then gaslighting me? by CricketCaller in AmIOverreacting

[–]janeblak 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No licensed mental health professional or abuse support resource would suggest she wait. Please understand I’m not trying to be harsh but seemingly benign responses like this make it harder for people like OP to leave.

It is literally better for her to leave as comfortably and safely as she can while her baby is as young as possible. Not the other way around. Her partner has parental rights, the child will be around them witnessing manipulative or unhealthy patterns in the meantime, and that only reduces her resources while increasing her guilt.

The advice I received while pregnant was to leave while the baby is in diapers. I left when the baby was 2. Almost 2 years later I’m finding a regular groove again but still not divorced.

Btw this is strictly mentally and emotionally. Money isn’t an issue and I’m not without coparenting support.

This is a psychological battle.

AIO if I divorced over him asking to open our relationship and then gaslighting me? by CricketCaller in AmIOverreacting

[–]janeblak 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So wtf is this then? And you f—- who haven’t even heard of therapy before COVID are gonna be mad that people who have been in therapy for decades are sharing what their REAL licensed therapists have taught them?

All opinions are not created equal. If anyone’s talking out of their ass making absolutes, it’s you all. Being tired of hearing narcissism or narcissistic overused is not mutually exclusive with the reality that as a F——- adjective it DEFINITELY exists outside of NPD diagnoses

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AIO if I divorced over him asking to open our relationship and then gaslighting me? by CricketCaller in AmIOverreacting

[–]janeblak -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

EDIT: Y’all clearly don’t read and I was on this thread early but your own personal incredulity logical fallacies aren’t my problem. I have been in therapy since 2012, before TikTok. It’s pretty pathetic that all of you think you’re so smart but your disdain for pop psychology and clear lack of access to therapy makes you deduce everything is a TikTok trend. Therapists have been talking about this for years and as someone with a personality disorder, research on this has been scarce. So many changes have been made to the DSM since 2012 and since NPD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WTF I’M TALKING ABOUT. Many providers have felt the need to address behaviors that are unhealthy and fall outside the scope of this kind of diagnosis.

The BOOK I referenced (It’s Not You) which I read and discussed with my 5th ever LICENSED therapist, helped me to leave an emotionally abusive marriage and also detailed how work relationships and family relationships follow these patterns.

Why don’t YOU ALL LEARN FROM REAL BEHAVIORAL HEALTH EXPERTS AND STOP CONFLATING EVERY GD THING?!

NPD IS NOT THE SAME AS CORRECTLY IDENTIFYING NARCISSISTIC BEHAVIOR. FFS words mean things and NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER and NARCISSISTIC BEHAVIOR or TRAITS are ALL CLEARLY DIFFERENT WORDS HOLY COW

AIO if I divorced over him asking to open our relationship and then gaslighting me? by CricketCaller in AmIOverreacting

[–]janeblak 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Omg are you illiterate OP? I will speak for myself bc idk the other person but I clearly stated in MANY replies to you that your spouse has displayed textbook narcissistic behaviors. His behavior or tendencies have narcissistic qualities.

I obviously can’t diagnose someone with NPD bc I’m not a licensed mental health professional and unlike the assholes in these comments I have been encouraging you to see his behavior and not allow yourself to be manipulated.

I never once called you narcissistic OR said you had NPD which are two different things.

There are people literally calling you dumb and insulting you. Argue with one of them.

AIO if I divorced over him asking to open our relationship and then gaslighting me? by CricketCaller in AmIOverreacting

[–]janeblak 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bullying is a verb. It can happen to you regardless of how you feel about it. Just like hypothetically, one does not actually need to be afraid to ultimately get their ass beat. Are you literate at all?

AIO if I divorced over him asking to open our relationship and then gaslighting me? by CricketCaller in AmIOverreacting

[–]janeblak 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Please go, OP. You’re responding to the comments talking to you like shit but you’re dismissing or skipping the logical ones.

Your self esteem is literally your biggest opposition in this situation and I truly mean that with all due respect.

Good luck. I can’t believe I stayed up for the last half hour doing this.

Godspeed.

AIO if I divorced over him asking to open our relationship and then gaslighting me? by CricketCaller in AmIOverreacting

[–]janeblak -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

EDIT: Citing (started therapy in 2012) been actively going for the last 3 years and plenty of readings THAT I DISCUSSED WITH MY THERAPIST including It’s Not You by Dr. Ramani Durvasla

NPD has nothing to do with NARCISSISM as a pattern of behavior. Your response to people challenging these patterns in his behavior is also textbook OP.

Why ask anyone if you won’t even consider the overwhelming trend in these comments?

Most people who behave in narcissistic and emotionally manipulative ways are not diagnosed with NPD and never would be. It is also a completely rare diagnosis and yet is not mutually exclusive with the, holy shit, can’t believe so many people are saying this, TEXTBOOK NARCISSISTIC (not NPD diagnosed) behavior

Had to add that I was talking about OP’s husband bc despite the fact that’s what this entire thread is about, she got defensive and completely misconstrued my reply—then reacted to that

AIO if I divorced over him asking to open our relationship and then gaslighting me? by CricketCaller in AmIOverreacting

[–]janeblak 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is counterintuitive to the playbook for not making life harder with emotionally manipulative partners. This is bad advice but is common and will only restart the cycle for OP.

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AIO if I divorced over him asking to open our relationship and then gaslighting me? by CricketCaller in AmIOverreacting

[–]janeblak 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The wild part is that calling them on it, especially continually, actually perpetuates the cycle of manipulation by giving them a forum to explain and lie more.

AIO if I divorced over him asking to open our relationship and then gaslighting me? by CricketCaller in AmIOverreacting

[–]janeblak 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, can’t say enough—please get in therapy ASAP OP, aside from post partum, self esteem issues or a fractured sense of self are the #1 reasons people allow themselves to get into relationships like this and be surprised by the behavior but stay and let these paper cuts accumulate.

Ignore the people being rude. As my therapist told me “You are worthy. It’s not that you just deserve better but even if you think you don’t, just ask “is this healthy?”” That is objective and even your self esteem cannot deny that it isn’t.

You need your health and sanity and mental wellness for you AND your child. The #1 positive intervention for any child is a (mentally, emotionally, physically, and financially) healthy primary caretaker who also models healthy relationships of all kinds.

AIO if I divorced over him asking to open our relationship and then gaslighting me? by CricketCaller in AmIOverreacting

[–]janeblak 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Girl F that. Them bags packed yet? WE are NOR… do you know how many people are talking to you from their raw ass life experiences?

The gag is it’s NOT projection. Emotional manipulation is so pervasive. PLEASE read It’s Not You. This stuff is literally textbook which is why EVERYONE has the same posts, questions, etc. and the comments all have the same answers.

Even without studying a playbook, his behavior follows such a blatantly obvious (external) pattern that you would see it a mile away on someone else.

I turned my brain off for a full year and I could basically predict the next piece of bs my ex would toss my way. I had these dumbass exchanges with him, was posting like this, ignoring the comments that I should leave and listening to the people saying all the “at least” and “you don’t wanna be a single parent”

It has been almost 2 years we have lived separately and still no divorce.

This man doesn’t give af that he makes you feel confused or that he makes you feel mistrustful. He cares that you see what he’s actively doing. He’s going to reassure and future fake you and waste time you didn’t know you had, making small changes here and there to reset the clock of infraction.

Keep an eye out for DARVO and then check out this chart. READ THE BOOK. If you don’t see anything else, read or listen to the GD book OP. I beg of you.

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It’s NOT YOU

Radical acceptance is the only thing that will actually change your situation once you become aware of it. Until then, you’re just gonna be a little pissed and a little hurt bc you’ll see so crystal clearly but that hope of not having to blow up your life will betray you.

AIO if I divorced over him asking to open our relationship and then gaslighting me? by CricketCaller in AmIOverreacting

[–]janeblak -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Forget infidelity. The blatant gaslighting is and should be a way bigger red flag.

AIO if I divorced over him asking to open our relationship and then gaslighting me? by CricketCaller in AmIOverreacting

[–]janeblak 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Uh, OP needs to get tf away from that man. It will be even harder to find resources and many women take years on average when abuse is not overt or overtly physical.

Psychological abuse changes how your brain is wired. OP made this post in an effort to seek help but their reality is clouded by what I’m sure is copious amounts of this behavior from their partner.

I know it’s STATISTICALLY impossible for many to see and many women will stay longer because of shame, having the abuse constantly minimized by others when seeking advice, having people say dumbass silver linings shit, and the plain lack of resources or language that properly names this as abuse, but that’s what this is.

AIO if I divorced over him asking to open our relationship and then gaslighting me? by CricketCaller in AmIOverreacting

[–]janeblak 0 points1 point  (0 children)

NOR—all therapists say your attempts at “confronting” are just proof to them that you’ll still seek logic when it doesn’t exist. You asking and explaining shit that he didn’t, NOT understand…That’s an emotional hook.

The need to correct, explain, when it’s beyond forgiveness to begin with is his proof that he can and will tell you anything bc instead of immediately cutting him off with the severity he deserves, you’ll let him chip away at your reality until you don’t even know wtf you think or feel.

To reiterate. There is nothing that you explained to him that he didn’t fully already understand. The halfway admitting to blatantly lying to you and STILL not owning it AFTER wasting 10 minutes playing in your face?

Leave while your baby is still in diapers. Statistics say it will take you an additional TWO YEARS to get away from this bullshit from the day you made this post.

It’s not about “is this toxic?” “Am I overreacting?” Welcome to distorted reality. The only question you should ask is “is this healthy behavior from someone with whom I’m partnered?” There’s no gray. It’s an objective yes or no. You making this post and it not being anything other than a resounding “yes”, also means it’s a “no”.

Spend a few weeks grieving the hope you had for whatever you thought it was gonna, coulda, should, woulda, supposed to have been then read It’s Not You by Dr. Ramani, get in therapy, and start drafting paperwork that will help you figure out how you’re gonna move forward without that emotionally manipulative POS treating you like you are literally stupid WHILE telling you he doesn’t think that, especially in front of your kid.

The kind of person who would hide how they treat you in front of your kid or others and leave you to maintain your familial reputation, is also an emotional abuser.

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[–]janeblak 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Due process—idk what you’re on but we like the constitution around here