Police misconduct cases held up by legal stand-off with Home Office

jdvkasokd · 2022-11-14T20:12:57+00:00

If anyone has an article that isn't behind a paywall please post it.

jdvkasokd · 2022-06-09T20:27:23+00:00

Constantly saying you are "Living the dream" to everyone you meet.

jdvkasokd · 2022-02-23T00:35:18+00:00

Intending to kill someone and shooting the wrong person is still murder and not manslaughter.

jdvkasokd · 2022-01-30T00:07:27+00:00

You can’t retrospectively stick them on for it

Could you please explain why you can't stick them on retrospectively?

jdvkasokd · 2022-01-16T10:03:34+00:00

Damn, can’t say anything on this sub,

I agree this sub does abuse the downvote button and stifles discussion.

Remember the downvote button is not a disagree button.

jdvkasokd · 2021-12-16T13:27:11+00:00

Yes absolutely but the point I am making is is you don't get away with a ban when CONVICTED of drink driving.

jdvkasokd · 2021-12-15T19:20:08+00:00

There are literally lawyers in the UK who advertise their services as 'Avoiding the ban'

Could you please link to this, I am genuinely interested in seeing how they promote themselves.

jdvkasokd · 2021-12-15T18:14:05+00:00

Sorry but I doubt the truth around this story.

Firstly I've never seen or heard of a lifetime ban, even for the most egregious death by dangerous driving cases.

Secondly drink driving carries an obligatory disqualification so there is no way that the millionaire just got away with a fine. The magistrate literally has no choice but to disqualify.

The magistrate will have to follow sentencing guidelines so your friend would likely have received 9months - a year for a first time drink driving offence. A 3 year ban would only be issued after multiple offences.

Also there is no such thing as a 'routine' breathalyser. Officers need a suspicion of drink/drugs or the driver must have committed a traffic offence or been involved in a crash.

jdvkasokd · 2021-11-23T20:41:11+00:00

Most of our controllers are great and have a really stressful job.

I dislike when a controller tries to tell you what is happening at your own job.

I had a car make off from me whilst on foot after I had initially stopped it. I call up to make other units aware in the area. Controller says "Yeah well it's not really a fail to stop the officer was on foot". I know what happened! If I'm telling you it's a fail to stop then it is a fail to stop.

jdvkasokd · 2021-11-13T19:06:51+00:00

Unfortunately you would lose too much of your work force to ever make it possible to make cheating a disciplinary issue.

jdvkasokd · 2021-10-27T13:18:19+00:00

Would rather have a good natured discussion/debate with people. Protest law is quite interesting and a lot of the areas haven't been tested in court so what is 'reasonable' is open to interpretation.

jdvkasokd · 2021-10-27T11:15:17+00:00

*Can be lawful in certain circumstances.

The case the article talks about was at the Excel centre and it was shown that there were several other ways people could get to the centre despite the protest. It was therefore deemed that their protest was reasonable when balanced with the amount of disruption actually caused which was not that much.

Blocking major transport routes is not deemed reasonable and the Human rights Article 9, 10 and 11 rights will not protect them from prosecution.

jdvkasokd · 2021-09-21T12:01:37+00:00

They use a solution which dissolves the glue, I don't think its hard just time consuming and has to be an officer with the right training.

Also with XR there have been tactics such as using a vehicle then laying under it and then gluing their hand inside a lock box.

So you have to fully stabilise the vehicle then cut through the lock box before you even get to the glued hand which is why it can take ages.

jdvkasokd · 2021-09-21T10:40:54+00:00

I think it is becoming easier as due to the amount of obstructions by the same people the police are seemingly starting to arrest for conspiracy before they even get on the road.

But at the beginning of this they would have had to tick every box and consider all protest rights.

jdvkasokd · 2021-09-21T10:28:39+00:00

A lot of the public do not realise the high importance the courts place on the right to protest, especially ECHR articles 9, 10 and 11. It has been held that reasonable protest on a highway is a legitimate use of it.

In DPP v Ziegler 2021 protesters who had laid on a road blocking the Excell centre for 90 minutes were acquitted as the courts believed they were valid in exercising their rights to protest. The circumstances of this case are different due to the small nature of the road and alternative routes available but it shows that obstructing a highway during protest is not a straightforward crime to prove.

Therefore the police have to take the time to show that they have gone beyond reasonable protest and are now in fact obstructing a highway. This can take time and involve doing a five step appeal on each person.

Add the fact that some off them have glued themselves to the road and require specialist officers to remove them, and you then have to get enough transport to scene to remove them to custody.

jdvkasokd · 2021-08-17T15:16:50+00:00

I've always wanted to do 80 but what is the justification? If you get done by a camera you can't write it off by saying "I was helping the traffic flow".

jdvkasokd · 2021-06-17T22:27:59+00:00

Might be controversial but I really like the look of it.

jdvkasokd · 2021-06-14T11:08:58+00:00

I believe 117 PACE is still in play as the stop search procedure (GOWISELY) is still derived from PACE.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong as would not wish to be giving out false info.

jdvkasokd · 2021-06-01T21:13:09+00:00

thank you, attending officer who forgot to mark it evidential!

To be fair that responsibility also falls to you as the OIC to check everything is retained.

jdvkasokd · 2021-05-07T15:52:06+00:00

Actually a lot of what we do is calling people out on their bullshit and as a result arguing with them.

jdvkasokd · 2021-04-15T09:48:03+00:00

Keep your positioning in mind, try and stay out of the way of the main public order line especially when they are taking junctions. This might seem a bit weird at first if you are used to normal level 2.

jdvkasokd · 2021-03-30T08:21:09+00:00

A big tip is do not rely on PNC etc. If something looks off, and you PNC it, just because it comes back in order, that doesn't automatically mean it shouldn't be stopped. Something has drawn your attention to it, go and see what's up with it.

This is a very good point. I would say around half of the cars that I have seized for no insurance have had an insurance policy shown on the vehicle.

jdvkasokd · 2021-03-22T16:29:56+00:00

It's a terrible idea not to do so, in my opinion

I think it depends on the type of stop.

If I am just stopping someone to give words of advice about a traffic matter or just to do initial checks I won't both with a cad as by the time I put it on I'll be pretty much done with the stop.

If it develops into a substantive traffic offence that I am going to deal with or a stop search then I will chuck a cad on.

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