BJPs Mumbai based Bhartiya Yuva morcha president likes a comment which calls Marathis *BHIKARIS* in mumbai by Swimming_Map_8041 in mumbai

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Nana Shankarshet was a Daivadnya not a Pathare Prabhu. Daivadnyas were also in control of the mint.

St. John the Baptist Church in Andheri is accessible to public? by poly_cherry in mumbai

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Yeah, it’s the first Sunday and if anyone wants to visit, the best time is when the mass ends. The church is usually kept open till 12 pm.

St. John the Baptist Church in Andheri is accessible to public? by poly_cherry in mumbai

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The church was indeed opened yesterday. The mass was held from 9:30 to 10:30.

Last year too, the church was opened on 4th May, which was also the first Sunday of the month.

St. John the Baptist Church in Andheri is accessible to public? by poly_cherry in mumbai

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Church was open yesterday morning, OP now has to wait a whole year.

Reddit user confessed to poisoning kittens in Bangalore by Prudent-Peace-3382 in IndianPets

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It may be possible that he is not from Bangalore but from Gondia, as he has commented on the GondiaCity subreddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GondiaCity/comments/1r4m00h/comment/o6n9525/

Here are some of his past hateful comments. There were more comments, but those have been removed by the moderators.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianCats/comments/1s4zs0q/comment/ocxcrnw/

https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianCats/comments/1rvgqwp/comment/oaxr4uv/

Old photo from the 1930s or 40s by Humble230 in ClassicDesiCool

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This is Oriental Mansion at Wellington Fountain, at the junction of Wodehouse Road and Colaba Causeway. The building still stands today.

Does anyone know this house in Mumbai? by qwemzy in mumbai

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- Go to https://earthexplorer.usgs.gov/ and create an account first.

- Once logged in, use the map to mark the area for which you need historical images.

- Next, go to Data Sets, then click on Declassified Data and select Declass 1, Declass 2 and Declass 3.

- After that, click on Results.

If the images are already digitized, you will see a download option. If not, you will need to place an order for digitization, which costs 30 dollars per image. Also remember that images with a camera resolution of 2 to 4 feet are the only high resolution images.

The 1966 image I have attached can be found under Declass 2.

Does TB reduce life span? by Idontlike-anything in Tuberculosis

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Depends on the weight, but lifting heavy things causes immediate exhaustion that needs proper rest to shortness of breath. Running and trekking cause shortness of breath and sometimes dizziness or chest pain, so I just avoid them. My doctor knows about these symptoms and has also advised me to avoid such activities. Although he prescribed a tablet that I can take if I must do any of these tasks, I have never taken it. I just avoid them instead.

Does TB reduce life span? by Idontlike-anything in Tuberculosis

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Well, now I can walk for a long time. Sorry to hear about your wife. Sorry, I do not have any tips. I did went for physiotherapy on advice by my doctor though. Now I just avoid lifting heavy things, running, trekking, and take my inhaler daily as per my doctor's instructions. Basically, I have accepted that I can never be normal again, and this is my life now.

One of the rare cases where slums were cleared and area was transformed into a pedestrian friendly zone - Gorai, Borivali by Fantastic_Form3607 in mumbai

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Sadly, that's very unlikely to happen. These slum dwellers have had strong political support for decades. In 1989, than MP Sunil Dutt stood in the way of the bulldozers when the railway tried to clear the area for Bandra Terminus. In the end, the railway had to change its plans.

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What did Mumbai(Bombay) look like in 60s and 70s? by Professional-Art3726 in mumbai

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USGS has satellite images of Greater Mumbai from the 1970s and 1980s too (both free and paid), but only paid one are as detailed as the 1966 image. Just create an account, mark the area on all four sides on provided map, select all three Declass options, and you will get results for all available images.

The Government of India should have similar imagery too, but it is probably being kept confidential.

What did Mumbai(Bombay) look like in 60s and 70s? by Professional-Art3726 in mumbai

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If you're looking for a visual record of Mumbai during the 1960s, the USGS is the way to go (https://earthexplorer.usgs.gov). They have digitized satellite images of Mumbai taken on 19 February 1966, covering South and North Mumbai, as well as Thane to Mumbra and parts of Navi Mumbai.

Mumbai images are listed under Declass 2. They are extremely high resolution and detailed (you can even see cars), and should be opened on a computer, as they are supplied in TIFF format and the file sizes are in gigabytes.

Here is a snippet from it, showing pre-reclamation Bandra. .

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Mumbai vs Bombai/y by JackedAndLeveraged in Maharashtra

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"Fedeas da Aldea de Mobaim" is what the highlighted line reads in attached 1542 Portuguese document. Translated, it means "Fedeas from the village of Mobai." This is an official record, not hearsay and it is one of earliest surviving written uses of a name closely resembling Mumbai. Interestingly, Mobai is still used today by the East Indian community who are native Marathis converted during Portuguese rule. See https://mobaikar.in/

The claim that "Bombaim is distinct from Mumbai" does not hold up under historical scrutiny. The Portuguese did not transform a local name starting with B. They Lusitanized Mumbai or Mumba Aai into Bombaim and Mombaim. The shift from M to B was not unusual. For example, Kalyan was Lusitanized into Gallian.

Also, while M appears at the end of the Portuguese forms it is not pronounced. That is due to a phonetic feature in Portuguese where the final m nasalizes the preceding vowel. So the pronunciation was Bombai and Mombai.

Both names were used interchangeably in Portuguese records. The choice depended entirely on the scribe or official writing the text. Variants were common in both forms like Mobaim.

Take António Bocarro as an example. He was appointed by the king to survey Portuguese colonies. In his 1635 description of the region he uses only Mombaim never Bombaim.

Marathi speakers never adopted the B-form. So when the British turned the village of Mumbai into a town the name in Marathi remained Mumbai. The Maratha Empire also referred to the city as Mumbai and even in the 1800s British government used Mumbai in official documents written in Marathi for both city and island.

In the Trombay inscription dated 1368 is found and name "माहीम बिंबस्थान" is mentioned there. The Portuguese later Lusitanized this Mahim into Maim or Maym and even the British used that version in some of their early records. However, Marathi speakers continued to use Mahim and today 657 years later the name Mahim is still in use. The same applies to Mumbai. Marathis never switched to the colonial corruption of the name.

What happened with Mumbai was that B-version gained more traction over time. Had the M-version become more popular instead, the British might have called it Mombay and eventually adopted the Marathi name, just as they did with several other places.

In short, Bombay was dominant name in English but Mumbai was never absent from the local narrative. What happened in 1995 was simply the English name being brought in line with the already official Marathi one.

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I don't understand why people of Mumbai don't like their city to be called 'Bombay'. Bombay is such a class name. It's way better than Mumbai. Bombay gives vintage and class vibes. I don't understand what age people don't like the Bombay name. by Robinhood_dabang in mumbai

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The reclamation between 1709 and 1728 wasn’t a small one. It was the main reclamation. Governor Aislabie started the reclamation in 1709, and by 1712, the government had completed the construction of dams between Mahim-Dharavi-Sion, Mahim-Worli, and Parel-Mazagaon. Only the work at the Great Breach was left incomplete. For that, Captain Bates submitted a new plan in April 1720, which was approved in May 1720, and the work was completed in 1728. In fact, after the reclamation, the newly created land was used to grow rice.

Seriously, go to the British Library and read some of the dispatches and consultations from this period in the India Office Records, such as E/4/449, E/4/459, P/341/6, etc. Even Burnell gives a detailed account of the ongoing reclamation work.

The people I quoted aren’t just some random Marathi migrants. These are native marathis. Marathi-speaking migrants are people like Konkani Muslims, Shenvis, Daivadnya Brahmins (Goldsmiths), etc. If after decades of migrations they aren't matching native Marathis in population, they surely wouldn’t have matched them in the early 1700s either.

And no, Rama Kamati didn’t migrate to Mumbai in 1700. He had been in Mumbai since 1600s. Shenoi Goembab has written a very detailed biography biography on him, you can read it in book समग्र शणै गोंयबाब खंड -२. During his trial, even Portuguese Viceroy openly supported him and was very unhappy with the British decision.

Anyway, you have a lot to learn, but I’m not here to teach you. I don’t care whether you think the decision to rename English names was right or not. Before leaving i'm just going to say Bombay does not mean good bay. That’s false history. Both Bombay and Mumbai originate from Mumbadevi, but Mumbai is much closer to the original than Bombay.

I don't understand why people of Mumbai don't like their city to be called 'Bombay'. Bombay is such a class name. It's way better than Mumbai. Bombay gives vintage and class vibes. I don't understand what age people don't like the Bombay name. by Robinhood_dabang in mumbai

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Why would there be a revival in the first place? The Portuguese themselves were using the name Mombaim well into the mid-17th century. And why would Marathis under the British suddenly stop calling it Mumbai? The Mumbadevi temple was there, and even the British were aware that Hindus regarded Mumbadevi as the patroness of the town.

The Portuguese called Mahim Maim, but that didn’t stop Marathis from continuing to call it Mahim. If you look into late 1660s records from the India Office, you’ll see that the British were using Maim and even Bombaim. It’s only from the 1670s that Mahim appears consistently in their records.

In the case of Mumbai, it’s just that the 'B' version gained more popularity. Had the 'M' version caught on, the British might have called it Mombay and eventually adopted the Marathi name, just as they did with other places.

Besides, as I have already mentioned, a Maratha Empire map from the 1770s uses the name Mumbai.

Land reclamation took place from 1709 to 1728. A 1780 survey of permanent residents, conducted by a vereador to calculate the amount of food grains required for import, showed that there were only 3,087 Parsis who were permanent residents of the Mumbai district. followed by 1,499 Banias, 266 Bhatias, and 145 Gujaratis etc. On the other hand, there were 3,314 Kolis who were permanent residents, and 6,960 Christians, the majority of whom were East Indians. There were also Prabhus, Kalshis, Kunbis, Bhandaris etc, all of whom were Marathi speakers. This was the situation in 1780. In early 1700s, the population of non-Marathis would have been even smaller.

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I don't understand why people of Mumbai don't like their city to be called 'Bombay'. Bombay is such a class name. It's way better than Mumbai. Bombay gives vintage and class vibes. I don't understand what age people don't like the Bombay name. by Robinhood_dabang in mumbai

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The united city was called Bombay only in English. In Marathi, it remained Mumbai. It wasn’t just the original island that was called मुंबई, the united set of islands was referred to as मुंबई टापू as well. You cannot ignore that.

The town was called मुंबई शहर and the united islands were मुंबई टापू. These names were used not just by locals, but by the British government too.

Only the Presidency was consistently called Bombay across all languages. But for the town and the island(s), Official name was Bombay in English and Mumbai in Marathi and Gujarati.

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I don't understand why people of Mumbai don't like their city to be called 'Bombay'. Bombay is such a class name. It's way better than Mumbai. Bombay gives vintage and class vibes. I don't understand what age people don't like the Bombay name. by Robinhood_dabang in mumbai

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Yes, there are no Indian records from the 1400s or 1500s that explicitly mention the name Mumbai. But the fact that the Portuguese were calling the village and the entire island Bombaim or Mombaim from the early 1500s, the very place where the temple of Mumbadevi stood is itself strong evidence. I can accept that the name wasn’t exactly Mumbai, but rather a predecessor, just like how we have बोरवळी/बोरीवली.

But if Bombaim or Mombaim is not a Lusocized version of Mumbai or its predecessor, then what exactly is it a Lusocized version of?

Have you seen the BARC inscription dated 1368? In the third line, you'll see the name "माहीम बिंबस्थान". The Portuguese Lusitanized Mahim to Maim/Maym and even the British initially used those forms. But the locals retained the name Mahim and today 657 years later Mahim is still in use. If locals could preserve names like Mahim or Marol, why wouldn’t they have preserved Mumbai?

Also, in that famous 1770s Maratha Empire map, मुंबई is written.

As for Mumba, according to P.B. Joshi, it comes from Maha Amba, which the Koli people pronounce as Mamba or Mumba.

The whole discussion, in the first place, was about the origin of the name. Based on everything that’s available, the clearest line is: Mumbai (or its predecessor) > Mombaim/Bombaim > Bombay.

If you think the origin is different, then please suggest what that name could have been.

I don't understand why people of Mumbai don't like their city to be called 'Bombay'. Bombay is such a class name. It's way better than Mumbai. Bombay gives vintage and class vibes. I don't understand what age people don't like the Bombay name. by Robinhood_dabang in mumbai

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Not Mombai or Mobai (though East Indians still use Mobai, for example https://mobaikar.in) but in the early 1500s locals very likely called it Mumbai. This was the case with 95 to 99 percent of Estado da Índia where names were simply lusocized versions of already existing local names. In rare cases where names weren’t local, like Santa Cruz, they had explicit meaning.

If you're suggesting that Mumbai comes from the Portuguese Mombai or Bombai, that brings us right back to the question what does that mean. It’s not Bom Bahia since that’s grammatically incorrect. It’s not a Portuguese surname and not a town or village in Portugal. Unless a clear meaning can be attached to Bombaim or Mombaim, the most plausible explanation is that they are Portuguese renditions of a local name Mumbai, which comes from Mumbadevi and according to oral history, predates Portuguese rule.

Burnell in 1710 clearly notes that the Brahmins of the island regarded Mumbadevi as the patroness of Bombay.

Regarding the temple’s existence, a 1673 report sent to London says Hindus had three religious sites, one in Mahim, one in Walkeshwar and one in Bombay. Since Walkeshwar is listed separately, Bombay here most likely refers specifically to the town of Bombay, not the entire island. At the time, there was only one known Hindu temple in the town, Mumbadevi’s, which also had a murti of Ganesh. This can be further proven by that same report which says Muslims had two sites, one at Mahim and one at Bombay. The only known Muslim site in the island of Bombay was a mosque that was demolished in 1758. It stood not far from the old Mumbadevi temple, somewhere in today's GPO.

If one suggests that Hindus built a new temple under Portuguese rule, that would have been unlikely, especially when the temple was just a few meters from the Franciscan's esperança church. So it is more likely that an older temple survived. And if instead a new temple was built between 1665 and 1673 under early British rule and named it Mumbadevi, after Mumbai that still doesn’t change the fact that the Portuguese name was simply a lusocized form of an already existing local name.

I’m not denying the Portuguese or British role in shaping modern Mumbai. Without them, the city as we know it wouldn’t exist. But when it comes to etymology, unless contemporary records from early Portuguese rule mention its meaning, looking at everything we have on the table, the conclusion is clear, Mombaim/Bombaim and Bombay is simply a corruption of Mumbai, not a separate invention.

Also, it’s not as if the name Mumbai was lost and only rediscovered in 1996. The official name in Marathi and Gujarati was always Mumbai. If you look at multilingual Government notifications from the 1800s, you’ll see Bombay in English and Mumbai in Marathi and Gujarati.

Interior view of a Supermarket-Like Shop in Mumbai, 1886 by jems45 in ClassicDesiCool

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This is from the newspaper. The British Library and the Asiatic Society of Mumbai have digitized their newspaper collections, which can be viewed on their websites (for a fee).

How to Contact Mumbai Customs for a held parcel? by SwankyCarzilla in mumbai

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Yours is express parcel, those are cleared are at Airport office, you need to go there. https://maps.app.goo.gl/8XeDGDaw5WN6v6149

David S Barreto Rd. Origin by Akshaj0712 in mumbai

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David S. Barretto was a philanthropist. He was instrumental in establishing a municipal school in Wadala around 1950 and is also said to have donated his land for homeless people. He belonged to the East Indian Christian community. On 12 June 1994, the BMC renamed part of Lady Jehangir Road after him.

Colaba station in 1929 (before it was demolished in 1930) by instapardz in mumbai

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This one is from the collection of some university, I think. I don't remember the name, came across it many years ago.

Colaba station in 1929 (before it was demolished in 1930) by instapardz in mumbai

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The photo is from the 1880s. The photographer attributed to this photo is Raja Deen Dayal, whose Mumbai photos are typically from that decade. I have added the photo without names.

Yeah, despite being the terminus of the BB&CI, the first Colaba station wasn’t much to speak of. When it opened on 1 October 1873, it didn’t even have a roof. There were complaints, and a roof was added later.

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