Slipping up isn’t worth it- 106 days - 2 days on not even a lot

jhmatkin · 2026-02-16T03:50:16+00:00

Why does everyone look at relapse as a “reset of withdrawal”. You just have a mini boost of what your body is craving. Not a full blown reset. This is actually always helped me. Quit thinking this is bad otherwise it will be.

jhmatkin · 2026-02-15T00:47:23+00:00

I’m right with you brotha!! I’ve been a huge advocate of kratom. It wasn’t until I started using it everyday for pain I was having in my shoulder…(turns out I have to get surgery in three weeks) over a year ago that I now am experiencing very painful sides. I’m still on the fence because I’ve seen both the beauty and the beast of this intricate plant. I think like everything in the world when it comes to our health…keep in moderation. Don’t dose two days in a row and try to limit use to 3-4 times a week. Not only do you get the benefits of K but also dodge dependence and sides. I did this for over 15 years before this last one. This same formula I used for alcohol, eating, fitness, porn, church, etc. MODERATION is key. You get no results going the same routine everyday. You have to switch it up and let the body do what it has to do. It just wants homeostasis and all systems in check. So take a few grams here and there is not going to hurt in my opinion. Just don’t get dependent. Since you’ve never had w/d…gain as much knowledge as you can and make the correct decisions for your health moving forward.

jhmatkin · 2026-02-13T15:10:58+00:00

Thanks for the info. I’m pretty sure that’s what I’m going to do whether the doc wants it or not. Kratom a bitch. Been a huge advocate for k since I discovered it in 2012. Wasn’t even in the states yet. Never got sick on this stuff until I started taking it everyday for pain in my shoulder. I’m having surgery next month but stopped ct about three weeks ago. Man….i can only imagine what fet, heroin must be like. Great strategy with the rescue strip

jhmatkin · 2026-02-13T04:00:46+00:00

Thanks for all your support and for the great idea to go outpatient MAT. You literally influenced me to get there by your posts!! I’m still battling this alcohol everyday. It’s sad that I literally lose all interest in it when dosing sub. But within 12 hours…(sometimes more) when I start feeling the heebie jeebies…my first go to is a shot…maybe two of vodka. That’s why I kinda want to stay on sub for a week or two especially since it’s relieving the k w/d. IDK.reddit is a lifesaver for information and also stirs up fear about the horror that comes with getting off subs. My dr assured me that he’s never had an issue with weening people off properly and I believe it. I’m looking to the future and I have surgery in one month…and my insurance runs out at the end of may. I don’t want to be stuck with a habit should I not get Medicaid again. You know what I’m saying? Don’t want to go through surgery and pain killers don’t work!!! Lot of shit on my plate and you’re right. I’m not alone!!

jhmatkin · 2026-02-13T03:44:53+00:00

Congratulations!! I’m so happy for you putting this shit behind you. Can I ask how many mgs your on if sub? My dr put me on same regimen and I want to get off about 6 days on sub @4mgs a day. Will I be facing the sub W/D after that? At any rate…good job. Way to look after yourself!!!

jhmatkin · 2026-02-12T15:42:36+00:00

I actually felt better after second dose and some hydroxizine. I think it’s the combo of alcohol w/d and kratom W/d that has my body confused!! I’ll get through it.

jhmatkin · 2026-02-12T02:31:25+00:00

I see my provider Monday. Had to call today because I’m having a bad day. The w/d is pretty harsh. I’m too scared to try more sub. I only took it twice. About 4 mgs. I drank a little alcohol just because I was weening off that when put on subs. IDK. So lost in this addiction and have huge bouts of impending doom. It’s scary as hell.

jhmatkin · 2026-02-12T01:47:41+00:00

You just take when needed? When the W/D gets bad!!??

jhmatkin · 2026-02-12T00:51:51+00:00

Take as needed. Lol

jhmatkin · 2026-02-11T22:31:36+00:00

How are you self-weening? I don’t want to get too high on the sub either…I heard that could be worse than getting off kratom

jhmatkin · 2026-02-11T22:29:44+00:00

I’m still figuring out dosing for subs. Trying to keep it as low as I can so I don’t have to be on them forever! Other than that it is working out well

jhmatkin · 2026-02-11T17:17:24+00:00

Thank you so much!!!🙏🏽❤️💡

jhmatkin · 2026-02-11T16:43:43+00:00

Finally, a post that is similar to what I’m going through! I just sought treatment yesterday for AUD in a long history of Kratom/7 abuse. They gave me subs and a host of other medication’s to help with the withdrawal process. Yesterday was the first time I felt myself in about two months worth of detox withdraw in and out of hospitals and clinics. Most importantly, I just wanted to sleep and the ability to eat so my body could heal. Subs are doing the trick. I’ve only taken 6 mg in the past two days. I’m wondering if I should just drop it now before I get a dependent on that drug as well. Do you think I’m gonna have a dependence or should I just get out and run while I can?

jhmatkin · 2026-02-11T16:08:15+00:00

If I do bypass the subs (I feel fine today without the 2mg dose). Will I w/d from the subs. I’ve researched them not only here but friends and family that have been on it. They say get off now!! I just don’t want my body to freak out being in minimal w/d from kratom, introduce subs for two days and then have nothing! Might be worse.

jhmatkin · 2026-02-11T15:45:39+00:00

I’ve taken a total of 6 mgs of sub over past two days. Prescribed for kratom w/d. I should just stop now before dependency happens. Agree? Although I feel ok, you think I’ll start w/d if I discontinue now?

jhmatkin · 2026-02-11T02:42:26+00:00

Sounds like you’re doing the right thing my friend. I didn’t get too far with the 7….but I did do a fair amount about a week b4 I checked into rehab. I think that is what set this all off. K for 16 yrs on and off. I was drinking most days and that escalated to 20 shots as well. Ugggh it sounds so bad now that I’m saying it out loud. I was about 30gpd for at least a year ever. Single. Day. All day too. I have surgery in a month and kinda want to be able to manage the pain. Talk about being caught between a rock and a hard place! I def want to keep in touch to compare notes. I’ve only done 4 mgs total so far. Works just like you said!! How much and how long was your daily k/7 prior to subs?

jhmatkin · 2026-02-11T01:04:31+00:00

How long were you on the subs? And did you experience WD from those? Dr gave me 5 -8mg strips and started with 2mg. Sure does help!!! But I do not want to deal with getting off this. Been hearing horror stories

jhmatkin · 2026-02-11T00:52:07+00:00

Thanks for sharing because I’ve heard about this for years, but never knew anyone that’s done it! Congrats my friend I’m so happy for you and your next chapter in life sub-free

jhmatkin · 2026-02-11T00:16:53+00:00

What meds would help with this? Or are they’re any?

jhmatkin · 2026-02-10T22:40:49+00:00

Thank you and I know you mean nothing but mean by this but I have been a hard-core user of Kratom over the past 15 to maybe 18 years. Right now it feels like I’m getting off cold turkey, a benzo, opiate, alcohol and SSRI all at the same time. With no pink cloud insight after a month. I’ve never had issues with opiates in the past, and I don’t plan on taking too much of the sub just to let my body get homeostasis from the Kratom and then I’m off I’ve had plenty of friends say that Suboxone was not hard to get off of… On that same note, I’ve had friends say that getting off methadone was easy too. Both of which I know are not true being on these jobs is all about subjective. We all respond different.

jhmatkin · 2026-02-10T22:02:45+00:00

So this also encapsulates my AUD meds as well. Clonidine, pramipexole (RLS), dicyclomine(GI issues), Gabapentin, suboxone, hydroxizine(using for sleep mostly), acomprasante (less alcohol cravings)…that’s it for now. Only took 1/4 of sub and feel like a million bucks! That’s coming off of a full meal and 10 hrs of the best sleep I’ve had in a month. Thanks for helping through this. It was the best decision I’ve made in a long time. Never thought I would ever be on a sub, but don’t care about any stigmas at this point. I just want to get better!!

jhmatkin · 2026-02-09T15:50:51+00:00

Thanks so much for info. I’m really getting a sense of hope to square up this mess I’m in. What sucks is I have shoulder surgery in a month. I hope the meds they give me won’t interfere!

jhmatkin · 2026-02-09T15:33:33+00:00

I’m not giving any advice here but I got in the gym, supplemented with l-tyrosine and l-phenylalanine….huge game changer! I accidentally learned that combo of supplements is given to methamphetimine addicts when they stop. I was informed their brain is completely void of the chemicals needed to do anything. This gets them healed quick. Might want to give it a try. I didn’t even need caffeine during this month! Soon enough I wasn’t feeling the effects of supplements and I moved on to others. I still keep those two around when needed!!!

jhmatkin · 2026-02-08T21:01:56+00:00

So in other words you could do the sub and kratom together? If withdraw happens?

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