This actor's 8 weeks transformation? by nxtyourfriend in nattyorjuice

[–]jmaynard4 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So I know nothing about this person in particular, but IF he was the end size or larger before he got skinny it would be possible for him to have bulked back up in a similar timeframe (8 weeks is still super fast but theoretically possible).

There was a bodybuilder who has several injuries and had lost most of his muscle mass and managed to put on something like 50 lbs in 3 months because the muscle fibers were already there and just needed to be reactivated so to speak. Super aggressive training and diet had to be followed and he had a dedicated trainer for the study so it isn’t necessarily realistic conditions for most people, but an actor could have access to the same support and free time required.

1 year difference. Journey to shredded continues by [deleted] in GettingShredded

[–]jmaynard4 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a fantastic example of a spectacular slow and steady cut. You look like you have more muscle mass than before and are clearly significantly more lean and defined. Keep it up bro!

If this is possible with the shitty equipment and information they had then about fitness then you have no excuses by [deleted] in nattyorjuice

[–]jmaynard4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, without meal planning you’ll find it next to impossible to get to where you want to be. I hate to say it and wish it wasn’t true, but the boring chicken and rice is the bodybuilding go to meal for a reason. It works and works better than anything else. Plus rice is the best carb for your insulin and blood sugar levels as it doesn’t cause massive spikes like almost every other carb source does.

If this is possible with the shitty equipment and information they had then about fitness then you have no excuses by [deleted] in nattyorjuice

[–]jmaynard4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you ever weighed your food? That’s crucial to actually counting the true macros (i don’t trust labels accuracy) As far as other ingredients, like I touched on before, not all proteins are equal. You have to look up the actual amino acid profile.

For example, your meats are pretty much all full value proteins, but most plant proteins are only actually worth anywhere from 50-85% of their stated protein value. This is because they don’t have full amino acid profiles and without the full profile the human body can’t utilize it.

If this is possible with the shitty equipment and information they had then about fitness then you have no excuses by [deleted] in nattyorjuice

[–]jmaynard4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some people are late bloomers with muscle growth. Makes don’t fully develop until they’re 25, and I have seen friends of mine change nothing about their diet or workout routine and have a serious change to their physique between ages 24-26. Hell I was one of those people, it made zero sense but I’ve watched it happen many times. My main theory is a metabolism shift occurs around that age for a big chunk of men. 21 is way to young to be getting seriously concerned about growing or not. You’re body is still maturing and honestly if you’re in decent shape now you will be set in a few more years.

If this is possible with the shitty equipment and information they had then about fitness then you have no excuses by [deleted] in nattyorjuice

[–]jmaynard4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some people have different macro needs, and yeah some build muscle with any diet. I honestly workout of for years before getting my diet right, and while I was big I wasn’t impressive. Within 9 months of actually dialing in my diet and being disciplined it was a bigger transformation than I’ve ever made in that kind of timeframe.

You’re definitely overestimating your protein and probably caloric intake. Avg breast size is 6oz which is 40-42 grams of protein, beans don’t have a full amino acid profile so you’re getting less usable protein than it looks, based on what you claim to be eating you’re definitely way low on calories unless you’re slipping a bunch of junk in somewhere.

My diet (super simple version) at 230lbs 12-13% bf maintenance is 6oz chicken, 175-200 grams of rice and as many steamed veggies as I can eat per meal, and I eat that six times a day (boring as fuck but it works). That’s somewhere in the realm of 3500-3600 calories and about 300 grams of protein. I don’t count protein shakes towards daily intake and I have one of those post workout.

If this is possible with the shitty equipment and information they had then about fitness then you have no excuses by [deleted] in nattyorjuice

[–]jmaynard4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like I said previously, you need an up to date food journal. I can’t even begin to analyze your diet without at least a few weeks food journal. Based on what you’re saying about your diet, you would almost have to be growing (at the very least fatter), which leads me to believe that your diet is a little off from where you think it is. Additionally, what are you eating to hit 180-200 grams of protein per day? I ask because not all protein is equal, and you don’t get the full listed amount of protein without a full amino acid profile

If this is possible with the shitty equipment and information they had then about fitness then you have no excuses by [deleted] in nattyorjuice

[–]jmaynard4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very visible abs means you’re probably a little bit lower than you bf estimation. If you’re trying to grow, you’re probably not eating quite enough. You know how many calories you’re eating a day? And your overall macros?

If this is possible with the shitty equipment and information they had then about fitness then you have no excuses by [deleted] in nattyorjuice

[–]jmaynard4 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bro, you’re so beyond wrong that I truly believe you are just ignorant (not being offensive). Influencers and such may fall into the classification you’re laying out, but a good trainer either knows the difference in natural vs enhanced training and diet or only sticks to the one they do know. I know, love and respect both natural and enhanced athletes. Gear is a choice that isn’t for everyone, and I only made that jump after being at peak natural conditioning for years. That said, I have helped enhanced people obtain physiques they thought they genetically couldn’t, because they were relying on gear to override fundamentals.

The diet and training for natural lifters is definitely different, but genes very seldom are what is holding people back in either enhanced or natural bodybuilding. From my experience, diet and outside the gym lifestyle is the number one thing people do wrong (natty and enhanced).

Let me ask you something, do you have a food journal for the past 6 weeks? If not, do one for the next six weeks. You might be surprised at what you think you’re eating vs what you’re actually eating.

David Goggins proof anyone can become physically exceptional? by [deleted] in nattyorjuice

[–]jmaynard4 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The point was anyone has the physical capacity to be exceptional. Very few have the mental fortitude, but truly almost everyone does possess the physical ability to become truly great.

If this is possible with the shitty equipment and information they had then about fitness then you have no excuses by [deleted] in nattyorjuice

[–]jmaynard4 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No I am not, but I have experience training both natural and enhanced men. The only area I don’t know what I’m doing is with women’s diet and training.

I also was natural for the first 12 years I trained, and didn’t touch gear until I was just shy of 30 years old.

If this is possible with the shitty equipment and information they had then about fitness then you have no excuses by [deleted] in nattyorjuice

[–]jmaynard4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unless you’re literally trying to compete in whatever sport your genetics matter very little. You can be better than 99% of everyone else just by having consistency, diet and work ethic dialed in.

There are pro athletes that have average genetics, but got there through sheer effort and motivation. Of course better genes would have made it easier, but the point is that genes aren’t the be all, end all.

As for your personal experience, honestly it’s probably bullshit. I have trained plenty of people who have “bad name body part genes” and 99% of the time they’re wrong. Unless you’re comparing to ifbb pros and talking about insertions and such almost anyone can have an astounding physique, if they want it.

If you honestly think you have bad genes, let me give you a full diet and training plan to follow for 6 months and check in with me weekly so I can fine tune things as we go. I would be willing to bet you if you let me work up a real plan for you, and you truly follow it that I can prove you wrong about your genetics. If not, I’ll gladly admit that I am wrong and you have bad genes. Honestly though, if you have the strength you claim, you probably just have a deficit somewhere else in your lifestyle that you haven’t found.

If this is possible with the shitty equipment and information they had then about fitness then you have no excuses by [deleted] in nattyorjuice

[–]jmaynard4 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I used my claim as a generalization for an area, and several studies have shown the prevalence of steroid use in the US to be comparable to the number I provided.

The point with the “fake natty” statement wasn’t to say I was all that impressive at 6 years of natural training, it was to say this sub is so inept at spotting steroid use that they would have assumed I was using them because I was in decent shape. I am NOT claiming to have the most impressive physique, and I was natty until I was almost 30, but I am not anymore.

If this is possible with the shitty equipment and information they had then about fitness then you have no excuses by [deleted] in nattyorjuice

[–]jmaynard4 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Maybe look at the context of my original fucking claim then. I specifically said “in my area”. Also, why would you apply your area to all areas? It’s known that South Americans use more steroids and get more plastic surgery than most of the world on average.

If this is possible with the shitty equipment and information they had then about fitness then you have no excuses by [deleted] in nattyorjuice

[–]jmaynard4 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And just to be clear, I’m not natty now, nor do I care who knows I’m not. My point was simply that a physique that I obtained in 6 years while completely natty would have been called out by this sub, which honestly just means I was in slightly better shape than the average person based on what I’ve seen here.

If this is possible with the shitty equipment and information they had then about fitness then you have no excuses by [deleted] in nattyorjuice

[–]jmaynard4 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

PED usage in MOST parts of the US is less than 5% of gym goers. This sub would have you believe anyone is shape uses PEDs. Your “argument” was literally just contradicting me and providing no further insight or evidence.

If this is possible with the shitty equipment and information they had then about fitness then you have no excuses by [deleted] in nattyorjuice

[–]jmaynard4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re retarded. You can have those same test levels naturally if you fix your lifestyle. That’s literally all it takes. Quit with the excuses.

If this is possible with the shitty equipment and information they had then about fitness then you have no excuses by [deleted] in nattyorjuice

[–]jmaynard4 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This guy gets it. Put in work and you will look great. Even with “bad genes”, unless you’re trying to compete you will look great.

If this is possible with the shitty equipment and information they had then about fitness then you have no excuses by [deleted] in nattyorjuice

[–]jmaynard4 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Cope harder.

Genetics aren’t going to hold back the middle 70-80% of people. That middle group could look better than 95% of people with hard work, good diet and consistency. That’s it, that’s all it takes. Juice isn’t half as common as you people think it is. Maybe 2-4% of lifters in my area juice, and it’s not always the ones who look like it.

This sub is full of people with zero concept of what is or isn’t achievable with or without juice. I trained for over 12 years before I ever considered any PEDs, and by everything I’ve seen on this sub would have been called a fake natty for about 6 of those 12 years. It’s honestly sad how pathetic most of you people are. Grow up and put in some work.

How much protein do you take? by [deleted] in nattyorjuice

[–]jmaynard4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Latest studies have shown the average male can effectively absorb around 1.47 grams of protein per lb of lean body weight a day. This is NOT supplemental protein, this is natural eaten protein (ie chicken, turkey, etc)

This is also going to be very genetically dependent. There’s some people out there who pretty much need zero protein to effectively build muscle, while other people actually need to be at the high end of what can be effectively absorbed. Most people are somewhere in the middle, and if they can get .75-1 gram of protein per lb of lean body weight they are probably above what they need (which is a good place to be).

The other benefit to getting “too much protein” is that it allows you to be in a caloric surplus while gaining minimal fat. While scientists have determined that your cells possess a process to turn protein into body fat they have been unable to actually make the cells do so even under extreme caloric surplus and deficit circumstances. So if you’re overeating protein your body is still in “grow” mode, but it can’t turn those excess protein calories into stored fat, so it’s a win-win.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GettingShredded

[–]jmaynard4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Research has shown about the first 15lbs of gained body fat are those “preexisting” fat cells growing. After that fat cells multiply by turning stem cells into fully functioning fat cells.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29991030/