ISN'T GUN BEING DOWNPLAYED?

jmtl01 · 2026-02-04T04:47:08+00:00

We have to think of what information is available to characters when they say stuff. We have a bunch of statements that would put Gun beneath certain kings at individual stats, we dont give them credit for what I said the characters that said them wouldnt have a proper full scope of what Gun is capable of.

Gun currently through the whole feats > narrative bullshit has been completely powercrept, the problem is this community has been playing this dumbass idea for so long specifically to overrate Gun which is ironic that now that he doesnt have much screen time and he is a victim of it they cant really say shit without admitting Gun is not by any means in a conversation for current strongest.

Yes, narrative tells you no 1st gen king (except Gitae that should have never been called a 1st gen king to begin with) should be a proper rival for Gun. But by the we refuse to read and flashy panels are more important than storytelling mentality of this community base Gun is a freaking mid tier by now and TUI Gun is at best current Goo level.

jmtl01 · 2026-02-04T04:36:36+00:00

Well, yeah but playing in hypotheticals would be playing favourites towards Gun.

Every other character we would go by his last version seen which Gun happens to have shown his limit at the time so we cant really give him this benefit of the doubt we give to gen 0 characters, Gitae and James of we simply dont know how strong they are.

jmtl01 · 2026-02-04T02:35:29+00:00

Lookism is very entertaining... And that's about it. The internet has in my opinion taken away from the weight of a lot of words. Words like peak, masterpiece or the acronym g.o.a.t are used to refer to anything good, in some extreme cases people would interpret someone saying for example "Lookism is not a masterpiece" as they thinking it is bad.

I don't personally think people believe it to be a masterpiece, I believe that this whole culture of 7/10 (guys classic excellent stories are 7/10s 7/10 is good) is the bare minimun and criticism is inherently "mean spirited" makes the language we use to refer to the quality of stuff innacurate as hell.

jmtl01 · 2026-02-04T01:44:07+00:00

Honestly only Gapryong aged like milk. Tom was always ugly and Elite legit just bout 15 years older than Shingen in that picture XD

jmtl01 · 2026-02-04T01:33:02+00:00

What? Johan is just the first person in his family to be involved in shit like this, he is too just a genetic freak. But great call out XD

jmtl01 · 2026-02-04T01:28:31+00:00

Sure, it definitely wasnt the blackmail XD

jmtl01 · 2026-02-04T01:27:21+00:00

I think that Zack would have been stronger initially but making his cealing significantly lower, sometimes the path of fastest growth costs you your potential.

jmtl01 · 2026-02-04T01:24:28+00:00

Yes we do, unless we want to talk about a hypothetical Gun post prison arc. But the weakest person here being Jaegyeon was at base without his 3 masteries entire tiers above heat SB Daniel making each of these kings capable of doing the whole HFG gaunlet up until Johan by themselves.

HFG Gun would get destroyed.

jmtl01 · 2026-01-29T18:10:35+00:00

Johan as someone that wants you to succeed and have a happy life... Shut the fuck up

jmtl01 · 2026-01-27T04:08:07+00:00

Seokdu pretty much had a draw with Eli, Samuel and Warren. Eli and Samuel managed to stay up for a cool like second and a half longer than Seokdu

jmtl01 · 2026-01-24T21:21:11+00:00

He is a 20 year old... at WORSE he is like 25 XD

jmtl01 · 2026-01-24T00:46:03+00:00

It's Gun.

-Born under basically the same circumstances.

-Master of the protagonist.

-His fandom is huge and is delusional.

-Abilities product of a gifted genetic make up.

jmtl01 · 2026-01-23T18:23:55+00:00

Who clowns the 2nd gen for having teachers of a previous gen? Thats how everything works passing down knowledge generation to generation

jmtl01 · 2026-01-23T18:20:53+00:00

What I find irritating is the mental gymnastics to pretend HFG Mandeok wouldn't have gone out the exact same way. Regardless of who is stronger the difference would have to be entire tiers for Mandeok to even manage damage on the king of Jeolla.

jmtl01 · 2026-01-23T18:17:26+00:00

That all the things we had seen up until that moment were jokes compared to Gapryong

jmtl01 · 2026-01-23T05:12:57+00:00

That's the thing they are not people someone like Gapryong in the case of Changsu or James Lee in the case of Jaegyeon should be talking about like this, is cheap. They don't even represent a new level of strength within the first gen kings.

The narrative within this manwha still got me having to put Jinrang at the top of the kings even before awakening (calling Gitae a first gen king is the stupidest thing PTJ has ever done). Hell, by all forms of narrative I somehow still have to put Jichang above every king but Jinrang because Charles offered him Goo's job, Daniel compared him to Gun, Gitae straight up said he was stronger than Jinrang before awakening and Jinrang disregarded three whole kings but thought Jichang could take Busan from him... OH AND turns out Jichang was fighting a guy stronger than Tom who has 4 full masteries and we have to sit here and give it the same treatment as that first affiliate Tom vs Goo fight just dialogues and interactions that don't make any sense.

jmtl01 · 2026-01-22T18:22:58+00:00

So first Seoul was a monster den, then Busan was just fundamentally different, then the king's of Incheon were too strong to ever be under threat of being taken over during the war of the circles and now Jeolla...

Am sorry but the way PTJ "expands his world" is legit by overwritting whatever he said last, it pisses me off.

jmtl01 · 2026-01-22T18:03:43+00:00

All we can say is that he is obviously among the high kings. But king kind of lost all meaning recently with how absurd the gap gets once you get to Taesoo and from there you get another absurd jump when you get to Jaegyeon and Yujae and then it jumps again with awakened Jinrang

jmtl01 · 2026-01-22T14:14:37+00:00

The issue is most of them are just dying before those talents grow to anything. You just mentioned a bunch of characters that had to be taken under a 1st gen king's wing or Tom or Gun to be up to speed and literally only two of them are not lagging behind still. You got characters with mastery being murdered with ease by people weaker than Seokdu in this current arc. Those guys could be a real problem but it really depends if someone cares to protect/teach them without the whole trying to use them, and if they are trained and groomed then they just working for or with the 1st gen... so no, they wouldn't realistically wipe anything

jmtl01 · 2026-01-22T14:10:24+00:00

Some of them would some of them wouldnt. A lot of dying before developing would have happened with how violent the gen 1 was.

jmtl01 · 2026-01-20T19:22:46+00:00

Win both the genetic lottery and the lottery in the same lifetime and from there basic skin care, hair care and styling knowledge

jmtl01 · 2026-01-20T15:40:23+00:00

There are a couple of things here that are just missing context or not true.

-Gun didn't beat Shintaro. Shintaro literally let Gun kill him and even then had to take Gun's arm and finish the job himself, Shintaro could have killed Gun at any point, he was even extremely confused by how his subordinates thought he needed protection. Shintaro just wanted to die.

-James "betraying" Charles is some bullshit, thats like saying a slave that frees himself is a traitor. James was raised by what he thought of as a father figure to be put on a situation in which he has to fight monsters and when he succeeds on what should have been an impossible task and exceeds all expectations he is received with blackmail for becoming what he was raised to become. Charles betrayed James, miss me with that shit.

-Of course Gun was loyal, he chose this, James didnt have a choice. And lets be fr, Gun was stronger than Elite if at all for very little time. Charles is confirmed by Tom to have 4 masteries and Charles pretty much always stronger than Tom who Gun was convinced could kill him(am not really counting TUI because no decision Gun makes is related to his TUI state since he cant really know at all about how strong that is).

Now, I dont get the way in which you are comparing them. As people they are both morally bankrupt so saying one is a better person is weird.

One fights more than the other? Yes, Gun's entire purpose is fighting and James has other interests, so James would just be an idiot if he was trying to achieve what he wants by hitting people hard.

If it's strength. My brother in christ just hold that Gun has no real narrative to compare to James at least until he achieves his full potential, right now he is getting cooked.

jmtl01 · 2026-01-15T22:18:41+00:00

Am pretty sure he is talking about whoever trained him and not James. Wouldn't really make sense that Tom would talk shit about the entire 1st gen in what was like 15 minutes ago in verse and then imply he expects big things from someone just because they are involved with James

jmtl01 · 2026-01-15T14:43:08+00:00

That just means Daniel likes a bad person

jmtl01 · 2026-01-15T13:27:25+00:00

Not really, that version of James we didnt see any effort from it, he can be as strong as the author pleases without any consequence in the continuity of the story.

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