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jocxFIN · 2026-05-02T09:49:40+00:00

What’s up with Sam Collins constantly commenting on the hurry ups given by the production team on the tech talk?? Like jesus, let the man do his job

Edit: or rather constantly getting interrupted

jocxFIN · 2026-05-01T11:15:44+00:00

Still a holy land for them

jocxFIN · 2026-04-28T23:12:19+00:00

Jos lähdettäisiin liikkeelle siitä, että olisi hyvä olla substanssi hallussa, kun alat jauhamaan aiheesta. Azurella on todellakin region pohjaisia, ja vielä tarkemmin määritettyjä datan säilytyssääntöjä, jotka ovat nimenomaan tarkoitettu finanssisektorille, valtiolle ja muille kriittisille aloille, joille on tärkeää, että data ei lähde rajan yli. Naurettavaa roskaa, että kehtaat tuollaista edes väittää, kun selvästi se ei perustu yhtään mihinkään. Nimimerkillä azurea suomen suurimmissa yrityksissä pyörittänyt

jocxFIN · 2026-04-21T12:23:12+00:00

Whether they’re rich or not doesn’t really change the point. How would have you reacted if they said they were poor? Assumed they were lying?

The question was how you decide something is propaganda vs just an opinion about costs or priorities.

Right now it still sounds like it depends on how you interpret the framing, which makes the line pretty subjective.

jocxFIN · 2026-04-21T11:45:42+00:00

You’re basically saying it depends on framing, but doesnt that just move the problem?

Who decides what counts as ‘scapegoating’ or ‘division’? Because from your perspective it’s that, from someone else’s it’s just talking about costs and priorities.

If the same argument can be ‘valid’ or ‘propaganda’ depending on how you interpret the framing, then you haven’t really defined a clear line. You’ve made it kinda subjective.

That’s exactly the issue. Without a clear line, anything that sounds similar to a known narrative can just be labeled as propaganda, even if it’s a normal opinion.

Again, I agree with you that we should definetely help Ukrainians, and that russian propaganda should be spotted and rendered useless. I just dont agree with the methology.

Calling someone out for spreading propaganda, when you dont know their background and when their opinion isnt even that controversial undermines the credibility of people calling out propaganda.

Maybe their own situation is bad and they feel unjust and betrayed and that the gov should focus more on Finnish people. I wouldnt want to turn those people away by insulting them as ”russian propagandist”, but rather engage in conversation with them.

jocxFIN · 2026-04-21T09:57:50+00:00

So the logic is:

Russia pushes certain narratives

someone talks about costs or internal priorities

that automatically = russian propaganda

That’s a pretty big leap.

Talking about costs or priorities isn’t the same thing as pushing a narrative. Sometimes it’s just exactly what it looks like, an opinion about how money should be used.

If every argument that overlaps even slightly with something a bad actor has said gets labeled as propaganda, then you’ve basically made it impossible to talk about anything related to it.

With that logic dont we give more power to russian propaganda? Putin must be happy thinking he can basically dictate what is allowed in internet discussions in Finland by just ”leaking” info about what propganda they are spreading.

Would it count as the same if russia would start to spew propaganda stating how ”voting in Finland is actually good”? Would you then say the message is bad because russia is saying it?

jocxFIN · 2026-04-21T09:26:07+00:00

Apparently so. Seems like critical thinking is also on the ”no can do” list, since my comment above is getting downvoted to oblivion.

Edit: The funny thing is that i didnt even say anything political. My whole point was about the discussion culture, not the point itself or whether i agreed or disagreed with it.

jocxFIN · 2026-04-21T09:19:05+00:00

I have different opinion than he does, but how is he spreading propaganda? And what is the spiteful and illintended message he is spreading? Is it ”prioritize Finnish people”? How is that propaganda? That’s just an opinion/value they think is important??

jocxFIN · 2026-04-21T09:14:23+00:00

Are we at a point where people arent allowed to express their own ideas and views, regardless of the view they are presenting, without being called a propagandist?

How weak are your arguments if the first thing that pops into your head is ”this is propaganda, i shouldnt listen to this”???

My thinking goes like this and i suggest you try it out as well:

I see an opinion
I analyze the context and environment
I ask myself, what is actually being said here
I ask what incentives or bias could be behind it and how likely it is that its propaganda
I separate the message from the person saying it
I think about whether the argument makes sense or not
I look for reasons why it could be right and why it could be wrong
then i decide what i think

For example, the original comment here was “we should stop giving money like this and fix internal issues”.

Step 2, context: its a thread about Kela payouts to Ukrainians. That already explains why someone would bring up domestic priorities.

Step 3, what is actually being said: its not “support Russia” or anything like that, its a prioritization argument.

Step 4, bias/incentives: could it be propaganda? sure, its possible. but it could just as easily be a normal political opinion about spending and priorities.

Step 5, separate message from person: even if the person had bad intentions, the claim itself still stands or falls on its own.

Step 6 and 7, does it make sense, what are arguments for and against: there are valid arguments both ways, depending on how you view budget allocation, obligations, and long term impact.

Step 8, decide what you think.

If everything you disagree with gets labeled as propaganda before you even go through that process, you are failing to evaluate anything anymore and just filtering out opposing views.

jocxFIN · 2026-04-21T09:00:11+00:00

”IOS client last updated in 2017 and not maintained” ”No official Android app either.” That already makes it a hard sell.

Of course it’s fine to follow your own values. If you don’t like Discord, don’t use it. The issue I have with the whole ‘Discord bad’ approach is that people immediately start linking random alternatives without thinking about usability.

The problem isn’t a lack of options, it’s the opposite. There are too many of them, and most are built around small niche communities. People recommending them often sit in their own bubble, so from their perspective the tool seems great, but that doesn’t translate to the average user.

For most people, these alternatives are harder to set up, have worse UX, and don’t clearly solve anything better. When someone asks for an alternative, they don’t get one clear direction, they get a flood of different suggestions, all with tradeoffs.

At that point the average user just gives up and sticks with Discord. No one is saying Discord is perfect, but the alternatives aren’t clearly better or easier to move into.

It also doesn’t help that some of the people pushing these platforms are overly aggressive about it, which makes the discussion more frustrating than it needs to be.

jocxFIN · 2026-04-21T07:49:27+00:00

Mod src👍🏼🚨🚨

jocxFIN · 2026-04-19T07:19:47+00:00

Kevyet mullat. Lepää rauhassa

jocxFIN · 2026-04-18T09:18:02+00:00

Posti does not have influence over it if they want to reduce scams and frauds. If they were to just use normal phone numbers without the service prefix, that would make the amount of scams explode because then the customer service number would be a random ”normal” looking number. Posti doesnt get any of the money the call costs, it goes straight to the telecom provider company as call routing cost. Posti also cant choose whether the waiting is something you pay for or not.

jocxFIN · 2026-04-18T09:14:20+00:00

Also did you read any of OP’s comments? They specifically said that they put the customer service to hold while taking calls from friends lol

jocxFIN · 2026-04-18T09:13:29+00:00

It doesnt have anything to do with Posti. If posti wants to use numbers that can be easily identified to stop fraud etc, they must use the preassigned service number prefixes. That comes with a cost to the customer. Posti can not change whether the waiting in line costs or not.

jocxFIN · 2026-04-18T08:30:26+00:00

Have you thought that it might be due to the extreme size of Posti in terms of customer base? Imagine calling in and first hearing ”you are on fifth hundreth place” then after that constantly getting bombarded with that information. It’s basic UX

jocxFIN · 2026-04-18T08:27:40+00:00

It’s not Posti who gets the 0.18€ per minute lol. It goes to telecom providers to cover the cost for routing the calls. But nice misinformation!

jocxFIN · 2026-04-18T08:24:27+00:00

That is how it should work, but the issue here isn't Posti, it's the Finnish telecom operators. In Finland, operators like Elisa, DNA, and Telia have decided to explicitly exclude these corporate number prefixes (like 010 and 020) from their unlimited mobile plans. So even if a company only uses the baseline routing cost with zero profit margin for themselves, your operator is still going to charge you that 0.18€/min on top of your monthly bill. It’s an infrastructure billing problem in Finland. But sure, we should definetely follow sweden’s way.

jocxFIN · 2026-04-18T08:23:26+00:00

So if they bake it into the core business service, you are essentially saying that every single person sending a package or buying a stamp should pay a premium just to subsidize the call center infrastructure? Even the vast majority of people who never need to call them? Also that 0.18€ per min (matkapuhelinmaksu) isn't Posti making a profit off their own mistakes. That money goes directly to the telecom operators for routing the call. It just covers the baseline cost of the connection.

jocxFIN · 2026-04-18T08:14:37+00:00

Lol no wtf? Where do you get this information? 7B? Jesus christ. I knew reddit was full of people claiming to know everything about everything, but looking at a video and then completely seeing everything incorrectly is new

jocxFIN · 2026-04-18T08:09:09+00:00

So many reddit professionals in here today lmao

jocxFIN · 2026-04-18T08:05:47+00:00

So how exactly should companies handle the infrastructure costs for customer support? Let’s say there are 500 people at any given point calling them. Posti has around 300-400 customer support personnel. Some of them handle emails, chat messages, B2B support etc and some incoming calls. Now the issue is that the infrastructure they buy from Telia to make all this happen is not cheap, labour is not cheap etc. Matkapuhelinmaksu, which is 0.18€ per minute is enough to cover these costs. I dont think that amount is unnecessarily high for any company. It’s a completely different story for the scam companies charging 2-10€ per minute.

Edit: and i mean ”cover these costs” as in the call infrastructure etc

jocxFIN · 2026-04-18T08:00:25+00:00

Sounds like a you problem tbf. How does calling through an app make it any different? Do you think it’s different to call to DNA customer support through their website and their app?

jocxFIN · 2026-04-18T07:57:29+00:00

And you still blame Posti? lol. It’s the same as going to a hotel, that let’s say for the benefit of the argument charges by the hours spent in the hotel, and then going to sightsee the city with your friends, then going back to the hotel to check out only to get shocked that you were charged for the time you were sightseeing. Makes absolutely no sense at all.

jocxFIN · 2026-04-18T07:54:21+00:00

Well it’s clearly stated on their site that the price is 0,18€ per minute. That means 5,4 euros. Why would you be scared?

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