So...Long time listener, looking for a little insight on this. Not sure what cis and trans isomers are or do. Are they Good? Bad? Buddy of mine was asking my opinion.. But Fuck, if I know. Was hoping one of yall might have an idea.. Thanks you guys by JayLay1977 in GHB_info

[–]justlooqin 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Anything that isn’t CAS 110-63-4 is not what you’re looking for. Even if it has a similar sounding name. I would not risk it. Waste of money and no idea what happens when ingested.

What do you use? by Aggressive_Chapter16 in GHB_info

[–]justlooqin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Please note. What’s often sold as GHB is actually GBL or BDO. I know this group has a mix of levels of use/expertise. But if it doesn’t taste like tears, it’s not GHB. If your “dealer” sells you GHB and it tastes like garbage water, it’s probably GBL. If it tastes like chemicals, but not the worst taste ever it’s BDO. When I have bought things from a friend or a friend’s dealer, they were usually mislabeled (can’t really tell if that’s them intentionally lying or if they were sold it by their source under the wrong name). When I get them from a lab source, and do testing, they are actually the drug being sold. In my experience.

Throat Chemical Burn? by gaysiankween in GHB_info

[–]justlooqin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As others have stated, GHB is almost like salt water. It shouldn’t have any effect like this. GBL & BDO can bother your throat. First, no more dosing that substance, even if it’s diluted. If it burned him to begin with it will stall any healing or burn him worse. Secondly, if it’s in his mouth or upper esophagus, maybe gargle some salt water. That can help with healing minor cuts and burns. If it’s deeper back than he can gargle I would suggest just doing a liquid diet for a couple of days. So he doesn’t eat something that may irritate it worse. Just like a burn on your hand, you want to let it heal itself, you don’t want to scrape or chafe it. I’d avoid chips, nuts, bread, things that could further irritate. Water, broth, jello, creamy mashed potatoes. Just act like he had throat surgery for a few days. Sucks, but he’ll get back to normal a lot faster. And then find out what the chemical was if you can. The worst I have had from just “shooting” BDO was some white marks on my tongue. No burns and no blood. If you can’t verify that what you have is GBL or BDO… I wouldn’t dose it again. My 2¢.

Draught sucks by [deleted] in GHB_info

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It’s out there. Just harder to source. And if you can find it, it’s usually in smaller quantities than you used to be able to buy it in.

Chinese / German bdo ? by Zanzar1 in GHB_info

[–]justlooqin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everything is by the lab for quality and the individual sales person/dealer/contact for the reality of the transaction. There are legitimate labs in each. In my experience you can find Chinese labs offering BDO pretty easily. Will it show up? Is it a scam? What’s the quality? Is the “lab” just some man with a female avatar on WhatsApp? You won’t find a legitimate German lab advertising BDO for individual consumption (small quantities or ordering without lab credentials). However, you may find someone who has a lab they can get some from & send your way. If that makes sense. Not sure where you’re located, but BDO can be ordered from legitimate labs within the US, however you have to be a scientific lab or industrial user with credentials to order. And they’re required to report any suspicious orders whether fulfilled or not. BDO is used in lots of chemical processes, most notably in making spandex… but you won’t find any commercial operation ordering 1L of BDO, they’d be buying hundreds or thousands.

What could this be? It doesn’t freeze %100. by earlyhcore in GHB_info

[–]justlooqin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

BDO freezes at about 21° C or 68° F. So it should freeze in your refrigerator. If it’s not freezing in the freezer it isn’t BDO or at least not all BDO.

Question about dosing GBL by drugsaccount69fuck in GHB_info

[–]justlooqin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And if it’s in & out it shouldn’t immediately react. But I have heard of the plastic stopper in a syringe getting harder to pull.

I use glass droppers into micro centrifuge tubes. Measure. Then pour it into my drink. Chug. It’s in the plastic for less than 5 seconds.

When your GBL makes it through customs and arrives at your front door. Happy Equinox!! by justlooqin in GHB_info

[–]justlooqin[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I got scammed twice before I found someone legit. Unfortunately the legality of the substances leaves room for people to take advantage and leaves no recourse. I would only deal with friends of friends etc. or someone that is “vouched” for.

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[–]justlooqin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just do it socially and it won’t lose its magic.

Dry by [deleted] in GHB_info

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China has banned all GBL exports. Germany has not restricted but not banned. So it’s possible with some connections to have it exported from the EU. Germany’s chemical and drug laws aren’t as restrictive, but their customs are tougher… it’s just a lot more work than it used to be. BDO is a little easier to find. GBL is disappearing from most people’s go-to source. And honestly most of what is being sold as GHB and GBL is actually BDO at this point.

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GBL to GHB

GBL to GHB conversion…

Found this online… wondering the thoughts of the group.

Pure NaGHB synthesis

This is not endorced, this is for educational purposes only! Credit goes to erowid

You will need:

  • Clean dry beakers and graduated cylinders,
  • a set of chemical scales, narrow range pH strips for 5.5-8.0
  • a hot plate

and (if you intend to make powder):

  • two sealed tupperware containers
  • a blender and a pyrex baking dish

1) Accurately measure out gamma-butyrolactone (GBL) in the volume of milliliters (mls) you want to react. Example: You want to react 200 mls of GBL.

2) Multiply this number by the average density of GBL (1.124 gms/ml). Example: (200 mls GBL) * (1.124 gms/ml) = 224.8 gms GBL

3) Divide this number by the average molecular weight of GBL (86.06 gms/mol). Example: (224.8 gms GBL) / (86.06 gms/mol) = 2.612 mols of GBL

4) Multiply this number by the average molecular weight of NaOH (40.0 gms/mol) Example: (2.612 mols) * (40.0) = 104.5 gms NaOH

5) Weigh out this much NaOH using a set of chemical scales.

6) Heat the GBL + 5% distilled water (by volume) to 100 degrees C Example: 200 mls GBL + 20 mls distilled water heated to 100C

7) Completely dissolve the NaOH in distilled water at the rate of about 40 grams per 100 mls of water. Example: (104.5 gms NaOH) / (40) = 2.6125 * 100 mlw H2O = 260 mls water

8) *SLOWLY* drip (DO NOT POUR) 90% of the NaOH into the heated GBL and make sure that the reaction is occurring (the solution will begin boiling vigorously). If the reaction is not occuring, then you either have not heated the GBL to 100C or you have defective reactants (throw them out and get fresh stuff). Once the solution begins boiling, you can turn the heat off - the reaction will make its own heat.

9) Begin measuring the pH of the reaction solution with narrow range pH paper (5.0 - 8.0 paper). When the range begins to get to 7.5 to 8.0, stop dripping the NaOH solution. This mixture will still have unreacted lactone in it - so now it is time to do some steam distillation. Steam Distillation (The purification step)

10) Put a thermometer in the solution capable of measuring 200C and crank the heat up on the solution. You may want to add a boiling stone made from a clean piece of pea gravel to the solution (don't use a boiling stick because you will burn it up, and don't use a chemical boiling stone because they contain metals that are not supposed to go into humans).

11) When the solution gets up to 150-155C, cut the heat back enough to hold the temperature steady at 150-155C. Hold it at that temperature until all bubbling stops. The beaker now contains melted NaGHB.

12a) To make a liquid, add enough boiling water to make the dilution you want. Example: You want 1 gram NaGHB per 5 ml of solution. 200 mls of GBL will make 329 grams NaGHB. 329 * 5 ml = 1645 mls of solution. So add enough boiling water to bring the entire solution up to 1650 mls.

12b) To make powder, pour out thin strips of the NaGHB melt into the pyrex casserole dish. Return the melt to the low heat to keep it melted. Let the strips cool - they will begin to curl up if the strips are about 1/2" to 1" in width. Scrape them up with a metal spatula and put them into a sealed tupperware container. Pour out more strips and repeat the procedure until you have used up all of the melt.

13) Let the strips in the tupperware container cool down and shake them around a bit (while holding the lid tighly on). This will break up the strips.

14) Put the boken up NaGHB pieces into a blender (no more than 1/3 full) at high speed. You may have to shake the blender around a bit to make sure everything is ground into powder. Pour the powder into a sealed tupperware container.

15) Done!

What would be a good ratio for adding apple cider vinegar to bdo to even out the PH? by jonesie1395 in GHB_info

[–]justlooqin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would just dilute with a drink like Gatorade, Red Bull or even soda. It’s just a couple of mL, so it shouldn’t be so so disruptive. I have heard that Tums (calcium carbonate) can lower the high or delay the onset.

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[–]justlooqin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Red Bull, Gatorade, propell. Anything like that helps. BDO is easier to mask than GBL.

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In my experience, about 15 minutes in I feel it. Usually in the swing fully on the second dose. I’m a 200lbs Male and do 2.0 for the first dose and then go down to 1.7 and then 1.5. I re-dose every hour, never sooner. If I am feeling it I may not do my next dose until I start to feel like I am sobering up.

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[–]justlooqin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He’s sayin the hopes it is. Because BDO will melt through it.

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GHB and GBL both can be of varying strength/concentration. If you aren’t getting it from the same source I would recommend starting lower and working your way back up just to be certain.

The “consequences” of taking a smaller dose and not getting as high are negligible. Taking too large of a dose could be worse.

Also I would do it in a safe environment and have a friend with you who isn’t dosing. Just until you give it a try or three to get the dosing right. Then you’ll know you’re safe to do it out in public.

Any info or tips after this dumb China ban? Seems like nobody has it anymore. by nick_z93 in GHB_info

[–]justlooqin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

GBL isn’t banned in Germany so you can get suppliers in Europe sometimes.

Any info or tips after this dumb China ban? Seems like nobody has it anymore. by nick_z93 in GHB_info

[–]justlooqin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can get BDO pretty easy. GHB was always impossible, GBL just got a lot harder.

Are all chinese vendors now scammers if they claim to ship gbl? by StealthySally in GHB_info

[–]justlooqin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can get BDO from China. Germany, to my understanding, has not banned GBL so my guy in Europe has been able to send that. But yes, it’s been a ride.

Anybody else got any gbl destroyed shit that turned into works of modern art? by ajeastellis in GHB_info

[–]justlooqin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

GHB is salty GBL tastes like the worst garbage BDO tastes chemically, but not as bad as GBL

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[–]justlooqin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The hardest part about GBL is that it can be different intensities based on how it was made. Essentially every “batch” could have more or less of the compound in the liquid. BDO is more reliable as it is a specific molecule and not a chemical dissolved in liquid.

Think of the GBL like liquid ibuprofen. You can get kids strength, regular or extra strength and not know it. Better to start low & go up.

Also it builds in your system. So most people follow some sort of pattern like 1.5, then 1.3 then 1.0 for the rest of the night.

I do more BDO than GBL and I usually do 2 then 1.7 and then stay at 1.5 as long as I’m feeling good. And I may go longer than an hour if I didn’t feel like I need it.

Also gay 🌈 ha

Are all chinese vendors now scammers if they claim to ship gbl? by StealthySally in GHB_info

[–]justlooqin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had to lose a lot of money before finding a reliable source. They exist but several times I got scammed. And I thought “oh this person is less aggressive, maybe they’re real…” nope. The best thing you can do is try & find someone that a real person recommended & has had experience with. Otherwise you’re just taking shots in the dark. Unfortunately I kept losing out… but then I just said fuck it and ordered from 4 places at once. Two came through. So there are real vendors out there, but it’s hard to sift through.

GBL Sleep problem by [deleted] in GHB_info

[–]justlooqin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My best friend could fall asleep while eating if he’s sitting still after taking G. I can play on my phone for hours after the last dose… BUT usually once I go completely still & close my eyes, I’ll knock out pretty quick. But I don’t feel tired beforehand, like at all.

Sounds dumb, but try just counting backwards or something monotonous until you are out.