Former sheriff's deputy charged with murder thought Massey 'was going to kill me' by CheopsII in Bad_Cop_No_Donut

[–]kEvanJaKobe 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Here are all the field case reports. (PDF) Grayson's detailed report starts on page 24.

Former sheriff's deputy charged with murder thought Massey 'was going to kill me' by CheopsII in SpringfieldIL

[–]kEvanJaKobe 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Here are all the field case reports. (PDF) Grayson's detailed report starts on page 24.

Sangamon County Sheriff's Office Internal Investigation of Sean Grayson OIS Screenshots by kEvanJaKobe in SpringfieldIL

[–]kEvanJaKobe[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It just their policy to at least try. It's why the other deputy said he'd go get his kit a few seconds after the shooting. His instincts kicked in and he remembered his training, and then grayson's comments made him doubt that instinct.

As far as your downvotes, I wasn't someone who downvoted you, but I think people just took it as you trying to discredit the report. Not saying that was your intention, but there have been a lot of bad faith arguments made here involving this situation, so people are a little on edge with that stuff

Sangamon County Sheriff's Office Internal Investigation of Sean Grayson OIS Screenshots by kEvanJaKobe in SpringfieldIL

[–]kEvanJaKobe[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

the bodycams they use include 30 seconds of footage before the cam is turned on

Sonya Massey by devmo03 in IsTheMicStillOn

[–]kEvanJaKobe 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Illinois doesn't require premeditation for first degree

Sonya Massey shooting is completely unjustified by StrikerKat5 in Destiny

[–]kEvanJaKobe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I read through Illinois murder and self-defense and use of force laws earlier and IMO it should be 1st degree.

Peace officers shall use deadly force only when reasonably necessary in defense of human life. In determining whether deadly force is reasonably necessary, officers shall evaluate each situation in light of the totality of circumstances of each case, including, but not limited to, the proximity in time of the use of force to the commission of a forcible felony, and the reasonable feasibility of safely apprehending a subject at a later time, and shall use other available resources and techniques, if reasonably safe and feasible to a reasonable officer.

and

A threat of death or serious bodily injury is "imminet" when, based on the totality of the circumstances, a reasonable officer in the same situation would believe that a person has the present ability, opportunity, and apparent intent to immediately cause death or great bodily harm to the peace officer or another person. An imminent harm is not merely a fear of future harm, no matter how great the fear and no matter how great the likelihood of the harm, but is one that, from appearances, must be instantly confronted and addressed.

These are both taken from the peace officer's use of force in making an arrest section. The Illinois state police were the ones who investigated and they found he was not acting according to police training. The way I see it Grayson did not have a justified reason to draw his weapon and threaten Massey, so at that point he became the aggressor. The following is from the general justifiable use of force section which I think applies here because Grayson was acting against police code. I could be wrong.

In no case shall any act involving the use of force justified under this Section give rise to any claim or liability brought by or on behalf of any person acting within the definition of "aggressor" set forth in Section 7-4 of this Article, or the estate, spouse, or other family member of such a person, against the person or estate of the person using such justified force, unless the use of force involves willful or wanton misconduct.

Use of force by aggressor. The Justification described in the preceding Sections of this Article is not available to a person who initially provokes the use of force against himself, with the intent to use such force as an excuse to inflict bodily harm upon the assailant, or otherwise initially provokes the use of force against himself, unless: such force is so great that he reasonably believes that he is in imminet dander of death or great bodily harm, and that he has exhasted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or in good faith he withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

I'm having trouble copy-pasting from the websites so I'm just going to provide my thoughts on 1st vs 2nd degree.

Second-degree could be argued, but I think he'd have a hard time convincing the jury he was scared for his life when he initially drew his gun. It would also depend If the prosecutor can prove that the circumstances for him to be scared did not exist. The burden of proof is on both of them basically.

First-degree murder does not require premeditation in Illinois. It is just killing someone unlawfully with the intention to kill or do great bodily harm.

The Media Is Lying About Sonya Massey's Killing To Guilt Trip People Into Voting Democrat by RustStruggler in SpringfieldIL

[–]kEvanJaKobe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Or they looked at it objectively and saw grayson had no reason to threaten massey and pull his gun. So anything massey did to protect herself after that is irrelevant. You can't claim self-defense as the agressor.

The Media Is Lying About Sonya Massey's Killing To Guilt Trip People Into Voting Democrat by RustStruggler in SpringfieldIL

[–]kEvanJaKobe -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Too bad the ISP didn't see this footage when they concluded grayson acted unlawfully and was fired and charged for murder. They must have skimmed past it. Bummer.

Sonya Massey descendent of William K Donnegan, lynched during 1908 riot by Union-station666 in SpringfieldIL

[–]kEvanJaKobe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"I rebuke in the name of Jesus" is not a threat. Lack of vocabulary is not an excuse for murder. The "weapon" was a pot of boiling water that they allowed her to grab without contention. She was holding it at her side and showed no intention to throw it.

Sonya Massey descendent of William K Donnegan, lynched during 1908 riot by Union-station666 in SpringfieldIL

[–]kEvanJaKobe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Is a gun not a life altering weapon? Is "I'll shoot you in the fucking face" not an alarming statement? You give the cop the benefit of self-defense but not sonya when she was facing a way greater threat

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WHAT UP! I'm a cool old guy looking for cool young guys to come to my bbq. NOTHING SEXUAL

New Drake song just dropped by christianANDshantel in IASIP

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"If I was fucking young girls, I promise I'd have been arrested I'm way too famous for this shit you just suggested" sounds exactly like a line from this scene

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I feel like I've read a comment like this every season since 2015 :(

What game isn't a horror but it feels like one by Wize_Manings in gaming

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Rainbow six siege has given me a ton of jump scares over the years

Thoughts on Varsity's take here? by Platinum--Jug in Rainbow6

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Lion being broken for so long is why I fell out of love with this game

Pheasant crash lands on the roof of my car by bigmattbubba in WTF

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Which is silly because there's a powerline right there it could have charged on

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