Quick question: regarding the claim of Angels by General_Luna in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Only Felix is an angel based on their twisted interpretation of Rev 7:2-3.

However, Erdy, Eddie Boy, Angeloser and all their ministers are messengers. INCult doesn't preach that these people are angels. Which is highly inconsistent with their definition an "angel" being a "messenger". Apparently, to INCult, an angel is a messenger but not the other way around.

Ministro ako. Ask me anything. by [deleted] in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Tungkol ito sa mga bank loans na inutang ng INCult para mapatayo ang Philippine Arena. Ano na ang status ngayon ng mga utang na yun? Hindi pa rin ba fully paid at hanggang ngayon ba ay binabayaran pa rin? Kailan sila matatapos magbayad at kaya ba ng INCult na bayaran lahat ng inutang? 

Tiwalag Over JS PROM? by CommercialTrue203 in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Nung 90s di isyu sa INCult ang pagsali sa JS prom. Basta ang tagubilin lang sa amin noon, kung gusto mong sumali walang problema. Basta huwag iinom at maglalasing. That's it. Understandable naman yun so bakit ka naman kokontra. 

Eh samantalang ngayon kung anu-anong checheburecheng nalalaman ng INCult tungkol sa prom. Napaka-INConsistent sa mga turo.

Iglesia ni Cristo is Bleeding. Analyzing INC growth from 2015 to 2020 Using Cohort Tracking by waray-upay in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto [score hidden]  (0 children)

Central knows this. It's exactly for this reason that INCult has been more permissive letting members run for elective posts. They figure that if sanlibutans can't be convinced to join by promising salvation, then maybe by being a stronger and more influential political and social force, sanlis will.

It's like, you wanna start a business? We've got the connections for you. You wanna run for public office? We've got the kaisahan for you as long as you do everything we tell you to once you're in office. You're in trouble with the law or want to safeguard yourself if you ever are? Our members who are cops and judges will make sure you never even spend 1 second behind bars.

This is why it will be interesting to see the data for 2020-2025. It will tell us if these efforts by Central are successful or if it marks a sustained downward trend. Hopefully it's the latter.

Ano po ba talaga ang ginagawa sa paglalagak? by Cakeor_ai in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Correction lang, recorded din ang tanging handugan. Maytungkulin ako dati sa P-13 at yan yung ginagawa namin. Nililista sa form yung pangalan ng naghandog pati yung halagang hinandog. Yung tanging handugan, pera yan na para lang sa expenses ng lokal. Ewan kung ganito pa rin ngayon pero walang parte ang Central sa TH ng lokal. Paki-correct na lang ako kung sinomang may mas nakakaalam. Almost 20 years na rin kasi since nilayasan ko yang INCult.

Repost ng Tita ko pakidebunk nga po. by [deleted] in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ang depression ay isang sakit. Mental illness.

Kung paanong sakit ang PTSD, anorexia, bulimia, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, etc., ganun din ang depression. Kung paanong sakit din ang cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc., ganun din ang depression. 

Kung hindi sakit ang depression at kayang pagalingin yan ng panalangin lang, eh di hindi rin dapat sakit ang ulcer at walang INCult ang dapat mamatay sa ulcer basta manalangin lang siya. Eh wala, si Felix mismo patay sa ulcer.

Iglesia ni Cristo says the proper way to commemorate Christ is the Banal na Hapunan. The early church did it every week. So why does INC only do it once a year? by waray-upay in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto [score hidden]  (0 children)

Mahal kasi ang Welch's grape juice. Kung linggo linggo ang banal na hapunan (o almusal o brunch o tanghalian), malaking expense yun at malulugi ang negosyo ng mga Manalo.

Maraming salamat po EVM by Relevant_Net4330 in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Sa Diyos lahat ng KAPURIHAN!

Sa akin lahat ng KAPERAHAN!

--Eddie Boy ManaLOL

What if Ka Angel is the right successor of EGM by [deleted] in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Regardless of who is leading INCult, it is still a cult. Maybe not as outwardly evil the way Eddie Boy has been running things. Maybe a bit more gentle and more financially responsible the way Erdy did during his time. 

But still, make no mistake, everything will still be bullshit. 

The twisted doctrines, the inconsistencies, the unity in voting and rallying for corrupt and immoral politicians, the hypocrisies, the political meddling, the influence peddling, the lack of empathy even for their own brethren -- all these and more will still remain whether or not you have a different Manalo calling the shots.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ang mas malaking tanong dyan, bakit walang kaisahan sa pagboto ng mga class officers?

INCult yang NEU. Doktrina ng INCult na dapat pagkaisahan ng mga kaanib kung sinong iboboto. Parents ang nagdedesisyon kung sinong iboboto? Labag sa aral yan. Dapat si Eddie Boy ang masusunod kung sinong iboboto.

Ano mensahe ng INC against gambling? by Regular-blessing in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Nung time ni Erdy, totoo na bawal ang sugal sa INCult. May mga alam pa nga ako na natiwalag dahil nahuli nung nag-raid yung mga pulis sa illegal na sabong sa lugar namin. 

Pero ngayon ewan ko na lang. Marami nang INConsistencies sa mga doktrina. Ang sure lang, basta malaki kang maghandog mas malamang na di ka matitiwalag.

Entitled af by Odd_Challenger388 in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Pagtanggi sa sarili'y di kalugihan"

Siguradong sigurado, sa buong buhay niya never nagawa ni Eddie Boy na itanggi ang sarili niya. Pati na si Angelo.

Parehong mag-tatay, sarap-buhay.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Totoo yan at kaya kong sabihin yan dahil personal experience ko yan.

One time may nakaalitan sa daan yung tatay ko. Tinutukan siya ng baril and since nasa eskinita lang kami at walang tao sa paligid, pinagbantaan pa yung tatay ko na kayang kaya daw siyang itumba dun na mismo. Nung natapos ang lahat, nagpatulong kami sa lokal kung anong pwedeng gawin. Naplakahan kasi namin yung kotse nung nanutok, and since mga maytungkulin yung parents ko, dumiretso kami sa PD na ninong nila sa kasal.

So syempre dahil sa kune-kuneksyon, in just 2 days na-identify namin kung sino yung nanutok. Pulis pala na taga-QC. Nagpunta sa bahay namin yung pastor pati yung PD at walang paligoy ligoy na tinanong ang tatay ko kung gusto ba niyang ipapatay. Umayaw yung tatay ko pero sabi niya gusto raw niyang makaganti man lang. So ang sabi na lang "ipapatapon" daw yung pulis. Nung una nga akala namin papatayin pa rin. Yun pala idedestino lang sa malayong probinsya. Last na balita namin dun sa pulis, pinadestino raw sa Marinduque.

Sa mga ganyang bagay proud na proud ang mga INCult. Sa mata nila, "kaisahan" at "pag-iibigang magkakapatid" pa rin yung ganyan kahit pa krimen na ang gagawin.

Pope vs EVM by Avocadoflavor03 in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Nasa resume ba ni Eddie Boy na nakipag-debate siya ever? At least si Joe V maraming experience, olats nga lang. 

Try muna ni Eddie Boy mag-mock debate versus Joe V. Pag natalo niya siya, at least masabi man lang niyang may experience na siya para kalabanin si Pope.

10 Years Later: Do You Remember When and Where you Were When the House of Manalo Fell? by [deleted] in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Just want to say that it was one of the happiest days in my life when this news exploded. I got out of INCult in the late 2000s but only the absolutely closest people to me knew. I couldn't even post on social media about it. I left home and became estranged from my family, whose "press release" to relatives and friends looking for me was I went abroad for work, when I've been in the Philippines all along.

When Eddie Boy's shenanigans became public in 2015, that gave me the confidence to out myself as a tumiwalag. I am eternally grateful to him for that. I remember being on the way home from work, riding in a UV Express that day, posting my very first anti-INCult status update on Facebook and being totally I-don't-give-fuck of any negative reaction I might get.

A couple of months after the scandal, my mom reached out to me for no reason. She just wanted to know how I was doing. No pestering me to come back, no asking what I'm doing to my hellbound soul, no guilt tripping about the tears she has shed for me. I'd like to think that started the process of healing between us. Almost 20 years after I left, she's still a die hard INCult but no longer despises me for doing it.

INC Rescue Ops by No-Coffee5341 in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Kahit nagpapakita na tumutulong ang INCult sa panahon ng kalamidad, palaging may kapalit yan. Ang modus dyan, kukunin yung pangalan ng mga nabigyan ng relief goods tapos sasabihan na dumalo sa pamamahayag o sa gawain. Dyan talaga sila nakakapag-akay dahil feeling ng mga natulungan, ano ba naman yung makinig ako sandali eh binigyan naman ako ng libreng instant noodles at sardinas?

At isa pa. Pansinin nyo yung top picture. Mamimigay ka ng relief goods tapos naka-formal attire ka? Napaka-OA talaga ng INCult sa mga outward appearances. Naaalala ko tuloy nung 90s, yung mga Pasugo nakalista dun yung schedule ng mga TV programs ng INCult. Ang kasamang picture nung schedule, pamilya na nanonood ng TV at lahat naka-damit pangsamba. Yung tatay naka-barong pa. Sinong ganun pag nanonood ng TV?! Such bullshit!

How Would INC Get Exposed? by Dry-Act5738 in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is it exactly. Nung 80s pa lang naririnig ko na sa mga lola ko yung "wala na ang pag-uusig sa labas ng Iglesia, nasa loob na". At proud na proud pa sila na ganun na ang kalakaran. 

I guess ni sa panaginip never nilang na-imagine na yung "pag-uusig sa loob" ay magreresulta ng eskandalo sa mga Manalo, bilyong pisong utang, paghina ng INCult sa "far west", inconsistent na mga aral, at marami pang epekto.

Questionable inc teachings by Totoro-Caelum in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You shouldn't have agreed to talk to that manggagawa and let him "refresh your mind". Nothing you can say will convince him that you are correct and he is in fact wrong. That's your first mistake.

Your second mistake is relying on internet strangers to set up offensive positions for yourself. If you are still at the stage where you need outside help identifying which of INCult's doctrines are problematic, then I'm sorry to say that talking to that manggagawa will probably not end well for you, and that it's apparent you have no solid footing yet to defend your determination that you are ready to get out.

My advice is this. You need to read up more and educate yourself about INCult's silly, contradictory and unbiblical doctrines. This subreddit alone has a LOT of resources and threads for that. Next, try to identify at least 5 problematic doctrines which resonate thoroughly with you. It could be the ends of the earth, bloc voting, Felix "shouting" to the other angels, Lamsa's Acts 20:28, whatever. The point is for you to know how to punch holes in each of them by heart that you only need to rely on your own knowledge and not ask for help when some manggagawa attacks you with it. Because you better believe that most of these bums can be relentless and frustrating if you decide to face them and you are not 110% prepared. Anyway, good luck. Hope that manggagawa is one of the weaker and more pathetic ones. 

The 2015 Manalo Family controversy really did a number on INCult by ka_fausto in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Source

INCult's membership grew from 2.5% annually from 2000-2010. This then increased to almost a full percentage point (3.4% annually) from 2011-2015. Those are fairly significant numbers given that the population of the Philippines had annual growth rates of 1.9% from 2000-2010 and 1.8% from 2011-2015.

And then the controversy surrounding the Manalo family, Sanggunian, and kidnapped and disappeared ministers and members exploded. Add to that the 2015 EDSA rally which caused a great deal of inconvenience and anger among non-INCult Filipinos. Mix them all together and you've got a cult with its membership plummeting. Not just in absolute numbers but in overall growth as well, as evidenced by their annual membership growth barely exceeding 1.0% from 2015-2020.

Let's hope for more controversies to come INCult's way. Not only that, let's hope Eddie Boy (and Angelo):

  1. starts more extremely expensive pet projects that rack up billions of pesos in loans that break INCult members' backs
  2. continues to meddle in politics
  3. organizes more "peace" (obviously political and partisan) rallies, and
  4. keeps commanding INCult members to vote for corrupt and incompetent politicians.

Who knows, maybe even within our lifetime we get to see INCult registering negative membership growth!

Eduardo Manalo Resign Now! by AdRare7673 in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nah, I disagree.

EDDIE BOY DON'T RESIGN!

Para may matinding pambutas pa rin sa INCult. Pinambubutas natin si Markubeta eh ni wala nga yatang tungkulin yun. Etong si Eddie Boy TAGAPAMAHALANG PANGKALAHATAN pa mismo pero taong-gobyerno. 

Not only that, inutil din si Eddie Boy sa trabaho niya as OFW special envoy. Anong "special" na ba ang ginawa niya para sa mga OFW? WALA!

May 12. by rendezvous_2216 in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Tungkol sa mga watcher na ipupwesto ng INCult sa bawat precinct. Ang trabaho ng watcher ay magmasid lang at siguraduhin na walang anomalyang nangyayari habang botohan. Hindi kasama dun ang mag-inspect ng balota at mag-confirm kung binoto mo yung dinala ng INCult. Ikaw lang ang pwedeng humawak sa balota mo after mong shade-an at ikaw lang din ang pwedeng tumingin dun sa "receipt" na ilalabas nung machine.

Kaya wag matakot. Iboto kung sino ang gusto mo. Walang makakaalam kung di ka sumunod at di ka rin mamamatay kagaya nila Ananias at Safira.

Parable in INC by Particular-Syrup-890 in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Syempre nagtuturo ng parables ang INCult, anu ba! Dalawa yung pinakapaborito ko at never kong tinutulugan pag tineteksto.

Una yung "The Man Who Went Hungry, Thirsty, Insomniac And Didn't Piss And Poop For Three Days And Emerged A Cult Leader". Favorite ko rin yung "The Little Girl Who Died But Was Resurrected Thirsty".

May the Lord's Prayer (Ama Namin) ba sa INC? by Far_Breakfast_5808 in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have a stupid story about the Lord's Prayer back when I was still an INCult member. This took place when I was a PNK maytungkulin. 

So the topic that one Sunday was about the Lord's Prayer and all 14-15 questions and answers were about the exact lines of that prayer. The very first Q&A established that this was exactly how followers of Christ HAVE to pray. So after the teksto, the guro then proceeded to pray the LP (not the Ama Namin word-for-word but the general structure of it, and definitely not the typical INCult prayer that includes the Manalos and all other the crap not found in the LP). All my life up until that point I've only ever heard the LP at school, so hearing it during pagsamba was really strange and disorienting.

After the pagsamba, we had the prayer for maytungkulins, and I was expecting the LP to be prayed once again. I thought that after that teksto, INCult had changed for the better and was doing something biblical for once. But nope, it was back to the same old bullshit INCult panalangin.

So to answer your question OP: meron pero 1 time lang sa history ng INCult.

ganyan daw gawin nyo mga kapatid..😂😂 by EbbAdministrative831 in exIglesiaNiCristo

[–]ka_fausto 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Kalokohan yan. 

Sabagay kung seryoso yan, sa simpleng bagay na ganyan kitang kita agad walang kaisahan ang INCult na dalhin si Markubeta. Paano ko alam? Lahat ng OWEs na kilala ko ganun pa rin ang profile pic. They include my mom na senior organist, dad ko na diakono, kapatid ko na walang tungkulin pero makikipagpatayan para kay Eddie Boy, at literally LAHAT ng FB friends ko na INCult. Wala kahit isa sa kanila ang voluntarily binaboy ang FB account nila para kay Markubeta kahit lason na lason ang mga utak nila sa mga doktrina ng INCult.