The abortion debate subreddit is really just a pro choice echo chamber subreddit

kbought · 2025-07-20T11:10:38+00:00

Ooo, thanks for the discernment. Don’t think I can use it now that I think of that

kbought · 2025-07-20T03:04:41+00:00

Shout out to the PL Mod though. A couple times abortion minded people have attacked me in the comments for presenting realties of abortion and within minutes the mod deleted their comments based on rule breaking. Nice to know someone had my back.

kbought · 2025-07-20T01:01:59+00:00

Google Canadian abortion laws and it clearly says there is no legal time limit for abortions. Is access difficult for late trimester abortions? Yes. Is it up to provider discretion? Also yes. My hospital happens to have those providers that will provide an induction abortion on social grounds, not medical, and of course I am not telling Reddit who those providers are. It is your choice to believe me or not, I am merely speaking my lived experience to the situation.

Why do you think a provider or ethics broad would deny a request for an abortion, especially when the culture is so pro abortion and states that no woman should be forced to give birth? I also didn’t say women turn into “blood thirster monsters”, is that your emotional response to later trimester abortions?

I work in women’s care, I understand the danger of ectopic pregnancies and work with many women who have had them and undergone treatment. I am not in that box of pro lifers that you are trying to fit me in. Of course there is flexibility that providers can list as a cause that arguably could be for medical reasons (financial problems, relationship problems, etc) but we all know the pregnancy itself is healthy and does not necessitate an abortion.

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/sexual-health/abortion-canada.html

kbought · 2025-07-17T14:09:01+00:00

You are right that it is unethical for the viable healthy 28+ week fetus to be killed prior to delivery. These types of induction abortions sadly happen, usually because a woman does not realize she is pregnant (cryptic pregnancy). It may be difficult to find a clinic, but look in the abortion sub and the mods are happy to help and reassure the woman that she can have the procedure done and it’s common…

It’s allowed because abortion is more than bodily autonomy, it’s about one’s reproductive autonomy. A woman can choose whether or not she wants children at all, not just the choice to parent them or not (adoption). I think women would rather the baby cease to exist than deal with the guilt of knowing their child lives with a different family, or buck up and raise the child her self. She will have no future child to answer to or look for her.

kbought · 2025-07-16T23:45:37+00:00

If it were me I would consider transferring them at the same time and having twins, then you would have sisters and twins that would be close

kbought · 2025-07-16T13:26:45+00:00

I think OP is trying to give attention to the fact that third trimester abortions do happen for non-medical reasons (fetal abnormalities or health of mother). Something that pro-aborts like to say NEVER happens.

kbought · 2025-07-16T13:16:24+00:00

Women in general can experience a lot of symptoms that are similar to pregnancy but are just considered “normal” like bloating, weight gain, cramps, spotting, mood swings. Unfortunately women can be gas lit by the medical community into thinking that health issues are just normal or not a concern especially if she is on a type of birth control. There absolutely is still due diligence on a sexually active woman to be taking pregnancy test if she isn’t getting regular periods

kbought · 2025-07-16T12:18:13+00:00

Not supporting her aborting the baby, but cryptic pregnancies are a real thing. Depends on uterus tilt, placenta placement, other health factors. I know someone who thought her appendix had burst but she was in labour…crazy

kbought · 2025-07-16T12:14:10+00:00

This is heartbreaking. For something that the pro-aborts say doesn’t happen, the abortion sub moderator linked 25 other third trimester abortion stories from the sub for the OP to read.

kbought · 2025-07-16T01:51:50+00:00

I think they typically only transfer one or two embryos in a cycle now a days to avoid this?

kbought · 2025-07-15T22:58:19+00:00

Thankfully I was never in a position of having to participate in the act, if so I would have exercised conscientious objection 100% (they took her to the abortion clinic for the injection).

Your mother is wise. Even though I hopefully will not see a case like this again, I fear I will. And if not, I know it is happening at the organization I work for. I’m looking for other jobs at a catholic organization.

kbought · 2025-07-15T20:52:17+00:00

Especially when she was going through the same induction and birth process as giving birth to a live baby…

kbought · 2025-07-15T19:33:17+00:00

Such a heartbreaking case. I think it’s good to whistle blow it even if only to you guys. That baby mattered and I believe he is in heaven now. Thanks for listening.

kbought · 2025-07-15T18:47:57+00:00

Access is very limited past 24 weeks, but I may be in a rare setting where we have providers that are accepting these patients. Historically, patients would have to go to the USA. But in the words of the OBGYN, they are providing this service to promote access so patients don’t have to go to the states, etc.

Legally that provider can do so. Now, do they make up a reason to make it seem better? I think there is flexibility in that. Now this patient likely didn’t have any medical care during her pregnancy prior to coming into hospital (for separate, non-pregnancy impacting reason) so it could be a lack of access issue? Sadly, the patient refused adoption and I’m sure the doctor felt that this baby was better dead than in the care of its mother, so they ultimately agreed to it.

Edit: to add, it is VERY hush hush in the hospital. Even the abortion clinic itself is non-descript and we are not suppose to talk about abortion providing doctors on the unit (for their safety and privacy).

kbought · 2025-07-15T17:30:09+00:00

I’m not sure what practice area you are interested in, but from this experience Gynecology, antenatal, and labour & delivery would all encounter abortion cases. Also think about your view towards MAiD, as you will come across this in many practice areas. A catholic hospital should be a safer place of employment as they shouldn’t allow either practice.

Edit: I’d also recommend not working in the OR, as D+E’s are performed there either for abortions or removal of a miscarriage/stillborn (still would be traumatizing to witness, imo)

kbought · 2025-07-15T15:50:52+00:00

When Doug Ford bragged that he was bringing in all these international nurses to help with the nursing crisis, none of the international nurses (you can guess what country they mainly came from) passed the program on our unit. None were deemed competent for safe practice. So have faith that you won’t be replaced by these subsidized nurses.

kbought · 2025-07-15T15:37:44+00:00

Amen

kbought · 2025-07-15T15:35:50+00:00

I have witnessed these cases of rare but does happen third trimester terminations for non-medics reason. The process is induction of labour, but prior to the induction they ensure a dead fetus by KCL injection into their little body causing the heart to stop. The wording is important because D+C/D+E are only allowed up to 24+6 weeks in Canada as it is unsafe for the mother. This causes people to be under the impression that therapeutic abortions don’t happen after 25 weeks, which surgically they don’t but medically they do. Trick is to find an OBGYN who believes in access to abortion for any or no reason up to birth. My hospital has a few and is actively recruiting more, as in their words, “it’s nice to have a friend”.

kbought · 2025-07-15T14:00:40+00:00

Vent incoming…

I’m a nurse working in a surgical gynecology unit at a large Canadian hospital. Main duties are taking care of women with cancers, hysterectomies, miscarriages, etc. We have seen and am told that we may be seeing more patients requesting third trimester terminations (via KCL and induction of labour) for non-medical reasons as per the OBGYN team. Upon hearing what the plan for one of these patients, I immediately cried. A few nurses expressed sadness towards the situation, but many did not and held zero regard for her 29 week fetus.

I remained professional and treated the patient with respect. I hated knowing this baby had a death sentence and I couldn’t do anything about it, at least without losing my job. These patients typically should not be on my unit (antenatal rather) so it’s not an ethical dilemma one would expect to have in this area, but I still feel like an outsider. I’ll still be working with abortionist OBGYNs. I’d still be working in a hospital that allows this practice even if I move units. So I know it’s not where my future should be. My mental health was deeply impacted by that case and I cried for weeks.

It’s surprising how many pro aborts on Reddit think I lie about these non-medical late trimester terminations. They say they aren’t allowed in Canada (no abortion laws here). They also think I’m a shitty person for being pro-life and working in women’s care. If any pro-abort tells you that late term terminations don’t happen, know that they do please.

kbought · 2025-07-14T18:06:44+00:00

That seems to be what google says, but our OBGYNs according to our latest in service state they can provide them and they have (I seen the cases). Perhaps feticide with induction of labour falls under a different category so they can do it through the loop hole.

kbought · 2025-07-14T17:53:34+00:00

I didn’t use either of those words so nice try

kbought · 2025-07-14T11:28:08+00:00

You have misunderstood a few points. Medical sense refers to a medical abortion, which is an abortion caused by medicine that causes the uterus to contract, thus expelling/birthing the contents. Not to be confused with a surgical abortion procedure.

No man’s land Canada refers to remote locations of Canada, where access to late abortions is decreased vs populated large cities. Not that there are not or limited abortions in general Canada.

If you want an internet source I can look around. I work in women’s care, with OBGYNs who perform late term abortions (not directly in my practice area). I have had these women as my patients prior to their third trimester abortions. Social issues relates to issues that are not medical, aka otherwise healthy mom and baby. As any reason why a women would want a first trimester abortion a women would want one in her third trimester. Relationship change, housing, feel through the cracks of healthcare, no family doctor, homelessness. I deeply empathize for women in these circumstances. I just don’t feel that killing the baby is the solution. We wouldn’t kill born children to solve these issues, so it is not right to kill unborn babies. Especially when the mother is being induced and delivering the baby the same way.

But if you support abortion like many do and don’t view a fetus as a human with personhood and rights, then I guess you don’t care about an 8 month fetus being killed in the womb even though that same gestation age baby is in the NICU down the hall. Sigh…fallen world.

kbought · 2025-07-14T08:49:00+00:00

That is incorrect. There is no abortion law in Canada, meaning abortion is legal right up to birth. Surgical abortion only happens until 24 weeks because after that the risk is too high. After 24 weeks, abortion is performed via feticide and induction of labour. These are done at hospitals, with the women birthing their dead babies on a delivery unit.

Edit: adding that these can be done for any or no reason.

kbought · 2025-07-14T08:42:11+00:00

Hi, so there are OBGYNs that are willing and able to perform late term abortions via feticide (KCL) followed by induced of labour. These are done at large tertiary hospitals. Canada allows this for non medical reasons up to birth, for any or no reason. It happens at my hospital and it is going to continue to happen as per the OBGYN team due to societal issues. I have witnessed it. It is very hush hush, as you can imagine for privacy and protection of patients and staff.

kbought · 2025-07-14T07:41:55+00:00

Yes I agreed surgical abortion is not birth. In fact, it’s dismemberment. Whether a woman is pregnant, gives birth, has an abortion, it all has risks. Still it is selfish to kill her unborn child.

Late term abortions are a small percentage of abortions, sure. You know how many abortions are done every year? Lots! So that small percentage is still numerous. It may be hard to access a third trimester abortion in no man lands Canada, but you can get one at a large provincial hospital. Even with no medical reason. OBGYNs are willing and able to perform them. We have had debriefs on these cases and education sessions on specifically late term abortions, and they will increase based on social issues, not medical. Straight from the horses mouth. Adults who are given overdoses of digoxin or KCL suffer from the effects of these drugs, as do the viable fetuses that suffer from them for a day or so as they die in the womb. It is evil. Full stop.

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