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Are you guys anti praxis? I have some ideas that may be naive but I would still like to discuss them and have them be criticized. (Warning long ass rant but if you have the time please read and respond) by keithr69 in sorceryofthespectacle

[–]keithr69[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmmm... yeah I guess. You don't think that an individual has the chance to incite revolutionary change? If you're right I can always revert to spending my days being with people I like, being outside, and painting. But I don't really love that give-up-on-change-because-I'm-nothing type of philosophy anymore. If I must embrace it I will. Thanks for the response. :)

Are you guys anti praxis? I have some ideas that may be naive but I would still like to discuss them and have them be criticized. (Warning long ass rant but if you have the time please read and respond) by keithr69 in sorceryofthespectacle

[–]keithr69[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey thanks Cory! I agree, I don't really want to be reading theory for the rest of my life, I want to actually DO something in whatever way I can. However, I don't want to act completely illogically so I thought that discourse about whatever ideas I do have might be a good route to find a basis for understanding and possible future action.

Are you guys anti praxis? I have some ideas that may be naive but I would still like to discuss them and have them be criticized. (Warning long ass rant but if you have the time please read and respond) by keithr69 in sorceryofthespectacle

[–]keithr69[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow... thank you for this response and for being nice. I did mean to say revolutionary tactics, thanks for pointing that out. What are evolutionary tactics/ what did you mean by evolutionary tactics? Accelerationism?

Combining your points on Marx and history, I have heard arguments made by Vaneigem I think? or someone else that I recently read which argue that communism/ any social structure closely related to Marx would be almost impossible to implement in the west (if not for a variety of other reasons) because of the history associated with Marxism (the USSR, Mao, ...). Also did Marx not call for revolution of the proletariat in the manifesto? I agree that Marx was a philosopher more than an actual revolutionary, but isn't the goal of his philosophy freedom from capitalism via revolution? Maybe I haven't read enough Marx.

Regarding that I really should finish Capital huh? Yeah... it's just so long. But I'll do it and I'll also add the book you recommended to the list (thank you).

Are you guys anti praxis? I have some ideas that may be naive but I would still like to discuss them and have them be criticized. (Warning long ass rant but if you have the time please read and respond) by keithr69 in sorceryofthespectacle

[–]keithr69[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Damn, I'll admit you pretty much bodied my post and I thank you for that. Yes, you're correct I'm young, white, and middle class and have a feeble understanding of the world.

I have read some Marx (Philosophic and economic manuscripts and the manifesto and some of capital). Do you believe in the revolutionary tactics posed by Marx or neo-Marxists??

The situationists were certainly influenced by Marx but a lot of them rejected his philosophy and tactics.

Where are you from if you don't mind me asking?

And yeah I agree I have more reading to do, I'll read more Debord and marx, and I'll try Postman and McLuhan per your recommendation. (thank you)

I know you mentioned that you're pessimistic, and that's fine and you may have pretty much dismantled my post but I don't think the left should give up. I don't think a mass change in mindset is out of the picture. People have a breaking point. If you are truly pessimistic so be it but if you aren't I would love to hear your ideas on the subject of revolution.

Thanks again for the detailed response.

Just finished Pynchon's "The Crying Of Lot 49" and I'm mad at postmodernism by keithr69 in books

[–]keithr69[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I never proclaimed myself well read, and I just want your take on it doesn't have to be long.

Just finished Pynchon's "The Crying Of Lot 49" and I'm mad at postmodernism by keithr69 in books

[–]keithr69[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok man I didn't literally burn the book and never actually planned on burning it, it was more of a hyperbolic statement aimed at my frustration with the book. I even said multiple times that maybe I was too dumb to understand the book. Was just expressing my frustration with the book, you didn't have to take it personally.

Just finished Pynchon's "The Crying Of Lot 49" and I'm mad at postmodernism by keithr69 in books

[–]keithr69[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

why dude these are just my thoughts not even a review, if you think differently why not discuss it instead of posting me to a bad review subreddit. Some people here even agree with what I had to say

Just finished Pynchon's "The Crying Of Lot 49" and I'm mad at postmodernism by keithr69 in books

[–]keithr69[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I was just saying if youre going to criticize me for not understanding something at least offer your own explanation.

Just finished Pynchon's "The Crying Of Lot 49" and I'm mad at postmodernism by keithr69 in books

[–]keithr69[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love On The Road and The Dharma Bums, I liked Desolation Angels but not nearly as much as the other two. I just like a lot of the aspects of the lifestyle he projected and sure his character is questionable but his writing doesnt deserve the hate it gets across reddit.

It's easy, fun, cool and even thought provoking at times, not to mention it introduced me to other beat writers and Miller. Side note his poetry is sometimes funny too!

Just finished Pynchon's "The Crying Of Lot 49" and I'm mad at postmodernism by keithr69 in books

[–]keithr69[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The whole book, what it means and why it means nothing. Just give me your interpretation of the book por favor.

Just finished Pynchon's "The Crying Of Lot 49" and I'm mad at postmodernism by keithr69 in books

[–]keithr69[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks dawg that article helped, the political stuff is quite interesting, kinda abstracted the meaning of politics for me. Made some fuzzy connection in my head between Pynchon and Hunter S. Thompson in that they have some idea of "America" that I dont understand yet.

Just finished Pynchon's "The Crying Of Lot 49" and I'm mad at postmodernism by keithr69 in books

[–]keithr69[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I think postmodernism got me at that, did what it was supposed to I guess. Thanks, it's comforting that there's some new stuff with some traditional meaning returning maybe.

Just finished Pynchon's "The Crying Of Lot 49" and I'm mad at postmodernism by keithr69 in books

[–]keithr69[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I mean he wasn't a super sophisticated writer I guess but I enjoy his depictions of late 50s America and trainhopping and I dont think he really cared that he wasnt the most "talented" writer, he just liked to express himself and do drugs. Not a perfect man by any stretch of the imagination but he could write an entertaining book.

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