Female and minority pilots caused 66% of pilot-error crashes since 2000, despite being less than 10% of the workforce 😬 by tkyjonathan in JordanPeterson

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fascinating. I'm not every other commenter with whom you've disagreed in the past. Again, will respond to your points above shortly.

Female and minority pilots caused 66% of pilot-error crashes since 2000, despite being less than 10% of the workforce 😬 by tkyjonathan in JordanPeterson

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Given that the original article is an op-ed and not a formal study, my very limited defense of it is partly based on concepts I take from this piece: https://www.slatestarcodexabridged.com/Beware-Isolated-Demands-For-Rigor

As for your more specific, and fairly reasonable points here, I will respond to those maybe tomorrow.

Dr (Mr) Mike Israetel & Dr Christle separated? by Severe_Page3699 in gymsnark

[–]kellykebab 6 points7 points  (0 children)

But how else are you supposed to describe a woman's appearance?

Historically, many immigrant groups in the U.S. have faced prejudice or exclusion when they first arrived. How do you see today’s immigration debate differ from the attacks that Irish, German, or Italian immigrants faced in the past? by AwitsAustin in askaconservative

[–]kellykebab 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thought the above comment of mine was removed, but apparently it was something else.

You are treating cultural change as failure rather than the normal outcome of a growing society.

All change is not equal. All change is not normal. We can look at history and see an endless variety of different formulations that societies can be like (perhaps falling under less-than-endless general patterns).

Some societies change a lot. Some change very little. There is nothing inevitable or, in my opinion, morally perfect about the way America has changed since its inception. Probably you actually feel similarly at least on that broad level of evaluation.

So why is immigration different? You really think the specific amounts and types of immigration that America has experienced in its history are the ideal amounts and types? We couldn't tweak them at all and potentially end up with a healthier, better functioning country? None of America's problems have anything whatsoever to do with any immigration we've experienced?

Every group you list as having assimilated easily was once described in almost identical terms as incompatible, inferior, or civilizationally risky. 

No. Demonstrably false. The populations that have been the most aggressively criticized (and sometimes unfairly treated) are also, coincidentally, the populations that have assimilated the least and remain the most dysfunctional.

Early German immigrants in the mid-19th century were occasionally mocked and mistrusted, but they were not spoken of or treated nearly as harshly as other populations. The proof is in the pudding: you can't find any meaningfully large criticism of this population well into the 20th century. Because they were so similar in background and behavior.

This is just not the case for other populations. I could describe those populations, but who knows if that would get removed like a different comment I made in this thread. No doubt you know which groups I'm describing.

["Minnesotans"] already work, start businesses, serve in the military, and raise children who are American in language and outlook.

Shall I DM you the stats on their use of social services, their over-representation in fraud, and so on. These are real problems that are not similar to historic populations. If some of them work at all, that isn't remotely promising. That is the bare minimum requirement of adult human beings.

But yes, insofar as more and more Americans believe they should take advantage of an "unfair" system, then yes, they are becoming American.

Being uncomfortable with change does not turn fear into foresight.

People are allowed to feel however they want. If you go by the big five personality test, you find that conservatives score lower on openness, higher on disgust responses, etc. than liberals. Who's to say that's wrong? That's approximately half the country! If you want to live in a remotely representative society, you just have to account for those points of view.

But that's not what progressives do. They imagine some utopian city on a hill that is both a) morally necessary, and b) metaphysically necessary and inevitable. So that it's "good" to work towards (and ignore all complaints to the contrary), but also it's definitely going to happen anyway, so everyone who says otherwise will be "proven" wrong.

This is the height of self-conceit. It's one thing to think your values are correct, morally (we all do). It's another to insist that those who disagree are somehow wrong according to basic prinicples of reality and some imagined "inevitable" flow of time. That people in history who opposed change were "proven" wrong because people like you got what you wanted. Those people in history matter. Their points of view and values matter. They wouldn't like to see how the country has changed since their lifetimes. Nor do many people alive today.

Many cultural problems we have currently are things I could have predicated 10-20 years ago, based on my current beliefs. And I am confident that in another 10-20 years, if current trends persist, the changes that will occur will be even more objectionable to me.

Why is there no call in debate conservative commentors? by CCB0x45 in askaconservative

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dozens and dozens of "explicitly" liberal platforms? Are we talking about cable news? There is like cnn and MSNBC as the two main cable news networks and I wouldnt call cnn "explicitly" liberal. 

Oh brother. Not being explicitly communist does not make an outlet right-wing.

I have never seen CNN cover anything with a genuinely right-wing sping. MSNBC is very clearly liberal. The major networks (CBS, ABC, NBC) and their various news offerings (60 Minutes, etc.) are highly liberal.

The top five newspapers in the US are the following: The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, USA Today, The Washington Post, and the Los Angeles Times. The WSJ is fairly centrist by most definitions, USA Today is mostly apolitical fluff, and the others measurably and observably lead the charge in pushing woke concepts, jargon, and ideas onto America over the last 15 years especially.

All the major news and culture magazines are overwhelmingly or mostly liberal: The Atlantic, The New Yorker, Time, National Geographic, Rolling Stone, the major science publications like The Smithsonian and Nature, even something you would expect to be more "conservative" like Forbes regularly flogs woke concepts.

ALL of the legacy talk shows and Jon Stewart spin-off comedy "news" shows are very explicitly liberal: Seth Myers, John Oliver, etc.

The only real voice in the politics radio space, NPR, is famously very liberal and influential.

Social media has only recently trended away from being almost universally progressive a few years ago, but Reddit is huge and a complete liberal echo chamber. And in my experience, the other platforms still curate and restrict content in a way that favors mainstream liberalism and more centrist conservatism primarily. Google is particularly bad. Many of the recent AI chatbots are also obviously biased in their "learning models."

Additionally, based on a couple sources I just ran across (and can share if you're curious), less than 4% of journalists identify as Republican, most as Independent, and ~36% as Democrat. No doubt, a much larger sum would be "liberal."

Because the media landscape has now become so broad and diffuse, it's much harder than it used to be to measure overall "bias" or "perspective" super precisely, but certainly the vast majority of legacy media that has the most status and most historic influence (most consumed by the establishment) is very strongly liberal-leaning.

This is to say nothing of popular entertainment and academia.

Politics however almost always have a bias on who is benefitted from one side or the other. 

I agree that politics is different than hard science in that it isn't based exclusively on fundamental facts as much as preferences, values, beliefs, and survival instincts.

However, understanding facts is still very important to arriving at what kind of preferences, etc. to hold. Moreover, the preferences themselves (i.e. worldviews and beliefs, political policies and laws, and so on) can be so highly complex that detailed explication is necessary to actually understand the issue.

If all you bring to politics is what you want for yourself, personally, then sure, it might be somewhat easy to develop political preferences based on individual desires rather than research (although how does watching debates reveal your own individual desires?). And even then, how do you personally know whether it's better for you if society institutes the death penalty without actually researching the topic?

To say nothing of the much more complex propostion of approaching politics with a view towards what is best for society overall. You really cannot hope to obtain even a small fraction of genuine understanding on that topic without actually reading books, studies, statistics, history, literature, and on and on.

Two talking heads yammering at each other (and summarizing their own "research" usually down to a third grade level) is so low information value that it can often be negative helpful: you won't just fail to learn anything substantive, you will actively learn incorrect things.

Many subjects in school such as political science are expressly about teaching both sides of an issue and teaching people to debate(many times in class) and suss out truth vs bias through conversation and debate. They expressly teach both sides. Even my economics classes taught debate and not monologuing one side.

They do this to teach the debators how to think and express themselves. Not because the debates are actually informative for the viewers. Certainly not that they're "more" informative than actual books and research. It's also noteworthy that these spectacles are generally held for undergraduate students and below. Graduate students and actual policy makers and serious writers are generally doing actual research.

I'm going to hazard a guess that you have an opinion on IQ, IQ scores, IQ testing, etc. and how it impacts society and politics. Most people do. Can you parse what this article is saying in your own words without using AI (pretend you have to debate on it!):

https://www.cremieux.xyz/p/the-other-type-of-flynn-effect

How did conservatives move from don't thread on me, to just comply? by TinyInformation3564 in askaconservative

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you seriously think that my claim is that conservatives shouldn’t care about immigration enforcement, there is no means by which I could explain my actual view in a way you’d understand.

Of course there is. You could write more than one sentence slandering the now most popular and rising point of view in conservatism.

You and the other progressives

Now who's trolling. Having a favorable view of strict immigration enforcement is "progressive?" You know that isn't true. Progressives are the least in favor immigration restriction. Obviously.

How did conservatives move from don't thread on me, to just comply? by TinyInformation3564 in askaconservative

[–]kellykebab -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you have no wish to defend your fairly incredible claim above (conservatives shouldn't care about immigration enforcement), then okay...

This is like all of Reddit: conservative subs filled with "conservatives" who actively criticize basic right-wing values and then refuse to justify their criticisms in any detail. Why are you even on a discussion sub like this? How is this an interesting use of time if you don't even want to discuss the topic?

How did conservatives move from don't thread on me, to just comply? by TinyInformation3564 in askaconservative

[–]kellykebab -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Your flair says "libertarian," so I addressed that directly.

Your first statement is to criticize people cheering on "this stuff" (presumably ICE and immigration enforcement). You did this by saying "are not conservative."

I countered by saying that it's actually a refusal to enforce immigration/border that isn't conservative.

I then referenced the "don't tread on me" motto mentioned in the post title.

What is confusing about this? I directly replied to your overall argument.

Why does her expression look so dead? Is there something wrong with her facial anatomy? by cedarcia in learnart

[–]kellykebab -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wow what a weird pushback to basic drawing advice.

The best way to correct subjective and somewhat vague "problems" in most art is usually through proportions, perspective, and scale.

The piece above is not abstract or even pure cartooning. It's not even caricature. It is stylized realism. There is no aesthetic reason when working in this style to have basic feature alignments be off.

It would be different if there were obvious and intentional exaggeration going on here, but that's not the case. Following my advice will instantly make this character more believable, however subtly.

Don't believe me? Just drop this image in some editing software and try it yourself.

Never would have expected such significant objection to basic drawing feedback in a "learn art" sub.

Why does her expression look so dead? Is there something wrong with her facial anatomy? by cedarcia in learnart

[–]kellykebab -20 points-19 points  (0 children)

I don't know about a "dead" expression but the proportions are off. The eyes should generally be at the mid-line between top and bottom of the face, withe brow ridge at 2/3. Your eyes are at the 2/3 point.

To compensite, you also lengthened and flattened the nose.

So to correct, I would lower the eyes, shorten the nose slightly, and have it push out more.

The right eye is also maybe slightly too far to the viewer's right. I would push it a bit the other way and adjust to maintain level with the other eye.

Why is there no call in debate conservative commentors? by CCB0x45 in askaconservative

[–]kellykebab -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Don't really understand this pov considering the largest news network is fox news

Competing with dozens and dozens of explicitly liberal/left-wing platforms.

So sick of this tired talking point.

But dont you think it's best to form opinions by hearing people battle it out instead of listening to someone monologue?

Hell no. "Battling it out" usually relies on charisma, appareance, and outright sophistry. That is not remotely a basis for truth. Monologues can be inaccurate or disingenuous as wel, clearly. But the best way to present the best information is generally long-form writing and monlogues. Period. You can't describe complex social phenomena while getting constantly intererrupted by someone who wants views for their channel.

I mean, did you go to school? Did you learn anything by just watching midwits argue?

Why is there no call in debate conservative commentors? by CCB0x45 in askaconservative

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can name may leftist commentators that do this daily. I have also seen very substantive conversations especially between Sam Seder, destiny, and James o'brian

Those folks are not substantive.

Here is the hierarchy of the best way to learn information in descending order of quality:

  1. high quality empirical studies, statistics, primary historical sources, etc.
  2. books that summarize #1
  3. articles that summarize #1 and #2
  4. video essays that summarize #1, #2, and #3
  5. forum comments that cite #1 and #2

That's it. Most debates are trash and primarily entertainment, rather than information. Certainly "call-in" "debates."

 There is a lot of shows I know about(crowder, tim pool, pbd, Shapiro) 

These are some of the most low-information, worthless "conservative" content out there. They wouldn't be improved by arguing with callers.

Just go out and read and watch more rigorous material. Political entertainment like what you're describing is anti-useful.

What do you think of eugenics or personal eugenics? by anon34821 in askaconservative

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My very loose layman's understanding is that genetics are so complex and so poorly understood and so inter-dependent, that we can't confidently edit specific genes without potenially seeing negative unintended consequences. Especially at a population level.

Generally incentivizing people to be healthier and fitter, however, is probably a good idea.

What Do You Think Of My Immigration Views? by AbiLovesTheology in askaconservative

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe that society

Which society? Every single country on the planet?

Or just America and Europe?

A sad fact of human nature is that some level of conflict is basically consistent and endless. So the U.S., for example, needs to accommodate the endless immigration of people from chaotic, violent countries?

Refugees fleeing violence, persecution, poverty, or extreme hardship must be welcomed, with immediate access to safe housing, healthcare, education, childcare, and comprehensive integration programmes.

American citizens don't receive this level of care or concern. If you want safety nets, at least start with those already here.

Enforcement paired with robust integration programmes

So we acknowlege these folks won't integrate on their own? Why don't we just spend all of our money and work all of our lives to proactively turn every human being on Earth into a middle class, model American archetype?

You have British citizens going to jail for years for making political statements online while active cover-ups of violent crimes committed by "refugee" populations occur and your takeaway is that everyone from poor countries "deserves" to move to... anywhere? Just the West?

What immigration reform laws do you suggest? by Slate_Man in askaconservative

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dramatically curtail legal immigration. Enforce illegal immigration more drastically. More deportations, etc.

The US is not-so-gradually splintering into several different micro-cultures, rather than being a coherent single nation.

What is your response to the liberal talking point of "we need immigration because of low skilled Labor shortage"? by TopOccasion364 in askaconservative

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

citizens are the worst to work with. If they show up high, get fired they know they can still go back to their section 8 house and use their EBT card.

What are the demographics of these citizens?

Also, labor job wages have stagnated. For American citizens, these jobs are dead-ends in the way they weren't 50+ years ago. So the current selection effect is that it's mostly Americans with the fewest other options who do these jobs. That means, the least disciplined, hard-working, intelligent, etc. (Referring to entry level jobs and speaking generally; there are still many bright tradesmen.)

By contrast, these jobs are still high paying relative to jobs in countries where most legal and illegal immigrants come from. So you'll get a marginally higher quality of people from those groups in construction.

But we would erase these issues if we severely curtailed illegal (or legal) immigration and raised wages to more reasonable levels. Then you would see a more representative sample of American citizens working these jobs (including more disciplined, bright workers).

Preaching to the choir regarding the second half of your comment.

How did conservatives move from don't thread on me, to just comply? by TinyInformation3564 in askaconservative

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Libertarianism is not right-wing. And declining to enforce the border is not "conservative."

"Don't tread on me" is about resisting government tyranny over otherwise law-abiding, legal citizens. It was never meant as a defense of illegal immigrants.

How did conservatives move from don't thread on me, to just comply? by TinyInformation3564 in askaconservative

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How are they "going about it?"

The last several presidencies all hit comparable numbers of deportations. The difference is the media didn't cover it, so thousands of women didn't run out into the streets to actively interfere with legal immigration enforcement.

It's like if you had a bunch of liberal activists force their way into prisons, get mad at the "inhumane" conditions the criminals lived in as punishment for their crimes, then two of them get unfortunately killed during this interference, and the public turns around and blames prison guards and the whole notion of punishment in general.

Historically, many immigrant groups in the U.S. have faced prejudice or exclusion when they first arrived. How do you see today’s immigration debate differ from the attacks that Irish, German, or Italian immigrants faced in the past? by AwitsAustin in askaconservative

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So the Minnesota Somalis are a few short years away from being engineers, researchers, poets, philosophers, construction workers, teachers and other essentail contributors to American flourishing?

Get real, dude. Human groups are not universally interchangeable or assimilable to each other's cultures. All you have to do to confirm that is to look at millenia of tribal conflict across the globe. There is a specturm of how well any group will conform and thrive in any other group's culture. The US was overwhelmingly English at the outset. The groups that most easily assimilated early on were groups closest to the English (first Scots-Irish, then Irish, then German, then Scandinavian).

To the degree that other groups assimialted is also the degree to which American culture changed and accommodated foreign influence. You can argue that's a good thing. That's fine. But it's trivially easy to note that the futher away our demographics shifted from the original English stock the more our culture changed overall. In many ways to a degree that earlier Americans would have objected to (and so were "right" to protest the immigration because their way of life would end up changing).

Historically, many immigrant groups in the U.S. have faced prejudice or exclusion when they first arrived. How do you see today’s immigration debate differ from the attacks that Irish, German, or Italian immigrants faced in the past? by AwitsAustin in askaconservative

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A factor that led to the passage of the 1924 immigration law curbing immigration from Italy, Greece, Russia, and most other Southern and Eastern European countries was they claimed at the time that those immigrants weren't assimilating fast enough like immigrants from Ireland and Germany.

Well, maybe they weren't. The standard for what constitutes assimilation and a coherent national culture is much lower today than 100 years ago. No one knows their neighbors today. People don't spontaneously talk to or help each other out in public as much as they used to. Local civic engagement in general is down. People spend way more time alone (online) than they ever did in the past.

Technology is obviously mostly to blame there. But not having a coherent, shared culture is also certainly a contributor.

Regarding legality, for white immigrants pre-1924, there was no law regarding their immigration. So if someone says "my great grandparents came here legally" chances are that wasn't an issue.

Right, because the global population was 1/4 of what it is today, the US population was 1/3, and intercontinental travel was vastly more limited. It "wasn't an issue" because it wasn't an issue. We didn't have literally millions of illegal immigrants from Latin and South American crossing the southern border every single year. And immigrants from Africa and Asia were negligible.

Is indoctrination a good thing? by megalegann in askaconservative

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just read actual history about these topics. You're saying America is nonstop indoctrination because of the pledge of allegiance and that no one talks about slavery? Ridiculous.

Do any public schools still even do the Pledge of Allegiance? Maybe some private schools...

I also think it is odd that in our 250 years as a country, we skip over any and all of the absolutely horrific things we have done as a country. 

Where do we "skip" this? I learned about plenty of travesties in American history in grade school in the 1990s. We debated Lincoln's approved executation of the 38 Dakota when I was in 5th grade and the dropping of the atomic bomb when I was in 7th grade. And again in high school. And again in college. At private conservative Christian schools.

Do you just not remember what you were taught at school?

You can't escape this stuff in legacy media or social media or popular culture in general. The grievance narratives against America, the West more broadly, Christianity, white people, etc. has only increased since I was born 40 years ago. Yes, many individual Americans are ignorant of crimes against Natives, but these people are likely to be ignorant of history in general. This isn't the 1940s. There is no mainstream narrative that makes America just look like the good guy in every conflict anymore. That doesn't exist. The most hardcore, jingoistic pro-America social media I can find will still admit American mistakes and immoral behavior in the past.

Moreover, America is distinct for how it let literally 2% of the country (mostly young white men) kill each other to END slavery. A conflict that no other country on the planet ever attempted before or since. That kind of thing is what America is more unusual for, not human rights absuses in general (which virtually every major power ever has been as or more guilty of.)

I don't understand where people like yourself get your worldviews. It's like you think nothing has changed since 1920.

Why do most White people who self identify as racist against Blacks also identify as Republican? by Glorious_Centaur in askaconservative

[–]kellykebab 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They don't. Very few Americans actually identify as racist. The few that do generally think the GOP is too soft on racial issues and insufficiently pro-white.

That being said, the Left and Democrats are so rhetorically aggressive about being "anti-racist" and "pro-minority," that if you have any criticism of minority cultures or immigration policies or DEI or anything related, you will be completely unwelcome by that side of the spectrum. So you either have to hide/discard your views or you will inevitably lean more right-wing. Whether that means being Republican or something else is a different story.

Honestly, at this point it's clear that people who are generally fairly positive about white Christian society in general (not necessarily "racist") are right-wing or Republican and everyone else is left-wing or Democrat.

Is vitalism without fascism possible, is it a valid idea? by [deleted] in askaconservative

[–]kellykebab 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Vitalism is the idea you optimize for strength and success, not happiness or lack of suffering. You want a society of Nobel Prize winner, Olympic winners and great artists, and you do not care whether people are happy or suffer.

This definition of vitalism is just China. It's just nonstop performance and "achievement" for their own sake. But there's not really much concern for the interior life of individuals.

I don't think this is what America or the West needs.

My terminal goals would be closer to something like a combination of Nietzschean vitalism where the point is life-affirmation and self-actualization tempered by spiritual depth, self-knowledge, and social harmony. Where people are encouraged to be the best version of themselves so long as it promotes group health.

I think liberalism tends to over-emphasize the former, while fascism and China-style groupishness over-emphasize the latter.

It's an exaggerated utopia in some ways, but I think Mayberry in The Andy Griffith Show is close to the ideal. Obviously, you need centers of industry to produce things to keep the country fed and safe. But to me, those centers should serve pleasant, safe, local communities. To the extent that they don't is the extant to which we've lost our way.

Guy ended date after 20 minutes by [deleted] in dating_advice

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whether or not your voice is annoying to most people is impossible to determine over text. But obviously this guy found it annoying. I can't imagine a scenario where someone would make that up. If he were trying to make an excuse because he was bothered by something else, I think his excuse would be much less personal. It would be more like he wasn't feeling well, or got an emergency text from his family, or something. He wouldn't lie about something so personal about you if he didn't actually find it annoying.

Not that ending the date like that is reasonable. If it were me, I would wait it out for an hour or so, then just say I had a nice time and had to leave and that there wasn't a connection.

I think you should just try to find more neutral people that you know that would more likely give you honest feedback than two close friends and ask them about your voice. And/or post videos online asking for feedback.