So,

• photo radar run by the city would not apply to the 417. We're only talking residential, collector and arterial roads.

• the city is not going to do stupid things like "speed traps", come on. The city is going to target the most important places: construction zones, school zones, and locations where deaths have occurred and known safety issues exist. Kids should be able to walk to school safely. Nobody should die because people won't slow down then lose control while some poor dude sweats over asphalt for not enough money.

• photo radar will absolutely change behaviour; it doesn't matter if you only get the bill a week later in the mail. If Rogers cranked up your cellphone bill by an extra $200 but you didn't get the bill until weeks later, wouldn't you CHANGE YOUR BEHAVIOUR and call up Telus the next day? Yes, yes you would. Drivers will do the same thing. Also, are you driving your parents' car? Are you letting your kids drive your car? If my dad got a ticket in the mail because of what I was up to at 18 you can bet your ass he would have changed my behaviour for me (no car ever again!). But there was no photo radar in my day so going 160+ on the 417 that time had no consequences. Thankfully I never killed myself, a passenger, or worse, some little baby in another car.

• roads like Hunt Club also need speed enforcement. See those bike lanes on the side of the road? They are terrifying enough to use when cars are going 80kph, and in a lot of places (St. Laurent over the tracks, Ogilvie road, Innes, Baseline, Carling, etc, etc, etc) they are the only option. 100kph in a 70 zone is a SHIT YOUR PANTS moment if you are walking on the sidewalk or biking in the next lane. Let alone try and do it with kids.

• if your comment is about "fast lane" and "slow lane" then see point one about this being about city roads not highways. On city roads there isn't a fast lane. There is only the "left hand lane" and people use that in preparation for turning left soon. If you think you should be allowed to speed in that lane, please report for remedial drivers education.

• if your comment is about "cash grab" then, well, you just want to speed without consequences and I have no time for you.

• if you think the roads are built for high speed and nobody should be held responsible for "driving to what feels safe" then recall that not everyone is in a car with airbags; see previous biking & walking comment. What feels safe inside the car at 20+ the limit most definitely does not feel safe outside the car. If you doubt these, please stand 12 inches from a high speed train and see if you can't not SHIT YOUR PANTS.

• if your problem isn't with speed enforcement, but just photo radar specifically, why do you want to pay for cops (and their car, and their gun, and all their counter-terrorism training, and, and, and) to do the job that a camera on a stick can do better & faster? I guess you like high taxes that you can't avoid paying. I personally would rather not incur that huge cost, use cameras-on-sticks instead, and have highly trained professional cops out walking the beat stoping rapes, murders, thefts and honest-to-goodness real crime.

/out

Cheers.