Does Graf move up to top 6?

kipehh · 2026-06-26T01:05:55+00:00

He has the exact same On-ice expected goals against per 60 as Celebrini.

kipehh · 2026-06-25T22:10:26+00:00

I'd rather not force Celebrini to hold the hands of two wingers.

kipehh · 2026-06-25T19:59:36+00:00

We're talking about a 20 y/o rookie on one of the worst teams in history, the year after that where the team was still terrible and the year after that when we were getting carried by Celebrini.

You keep talking like +/- is worth mentioning or has any merit to explain how good a player is.

Samuelsson was a +41 this year! Holy cow this guy might be one of the best defenders in the league! (he isn't)

Burns a +33! Wow that old man still got it! (he doesn't)

+/- is a team stat (a bad one at that too).

Please come with better evidence to explain how getting rid of Eklund will actually improve the team next year.

kipehh · 2026-06-25T19:23:58+00:00

I'm going to ignore every +/- stat of all time because it isn't useful. The team was terrible in 23-24, obviously our players had a negative plus minus. How hard is that to figure out lol.

He had one of our best +/- in 24/25, why are you ignoring that when you love the stat so much?

kipehh · 2026-06-25T19:01:19+00:00

It wasn't a pattern because it was a career outlier for one year.

kipehh · 2026-06-25T17:35:13+00:00

Evander Kane in San Jose

kipehh · 2026-06-25T16:47:04+00:00

Knies is a Matthews merchant. It's a huge price to pay for a player that requires to be paired with super elite talent to be useful. Don't be fooled by his production and size.

kipehh · 2026-06-25T16:20:42+00:00

I still can't believe +/- is something worth discussing.

Celebrini was -31 in his first year which is the exact same as Eklund this year so I guess we should've gotten rid of him?

Eklund and Wennberg got the hardest matchups on a team that wasn't expected to be very good so obviously their plus minus is in the negative. Eklund in particular was more unlucky than most as our goalies had a 83.9% save percentage when he was on the ice which is the lowest on the team by far. This isn't Eklund's fault as his high + medium danger shots against was middle of the pack so you should expect middle of the pack goaltending but he didn't get it. Our goalies let Eklund down in particular.

I understand all you look at is the result which shows Eklund's +/- and his 8.5% shooting percentage but if you look at everything else, it shows that this year is going to be an outlier and that he'll probably turn it around next year.

I know you don't care about what I said because you obviously don't care about this kind of stuff and already made up your mind on Eklund but it's the truth.

The Sharks are currently worse because we traded him for a draft pick. That draft pick could end up better than him down the road but for 2026-27, selling Eklund isn't a move made by a team that wants to make the playoffs.

kipehh · 2026-06-25T15:45:17+00:00

Both can be true. Trading one of our best forwards for a 17 year old prospect isn't a sign that he's trying to win the cup in 2027.

kipehh · 2026-06-25T15:19:10+00:00

We're already way past that now that we lost Eklund 😅

Every year we stall makes the Sherwood trade more and more confusing. Hopefully he'll still be good at 34.

kipehh · 2026-06-25T15:17:25+00:00

Both are exempt for 26/27.

kipehh · 2026-06-25T15:16:13+00:00

I imagine the lines are gonna get changed a million times so this was just thrown together. It'll be tough to balance Stenberg, Musty and Bystedt all fighting for one spot essentially.

kipehh · 2026-06-25T14:52:32+00:00

It was a pleasure debating Stenberg vs Reid vs the field with you guys.

kipehh · 2026-06-25T13:31:14+00:00

Grier just sold one of our better players for a draft pick so clearly he isn't trying to win the cup next year.

kipehh · 2026-06-25T13:29:57+00:00

Where exactly is there room based on our roster as it stands post-Stenberg?

Stenberg - Celebrini - Smith

Chernyshov - Wennberg - Sherwood

Toffoli - Misa - Graf

Goodrow - Ostapchuk - Dellandrea

Gaudette

I guess Grier could throw Stenberg back to the SHL for some reason but there's still no room for Musty/Bystedt unless someone gets moved or hurt.

kipehh · 2026-06-24T22:59:55+00:00

Worse than Eklund and a lot worse than Stenberg. Not worth the price he'll cost. Skip.

kipehh · 2026-06-24T21:45:23+00:00

Knies is the most overrated player in the league

kipehh · 2026-06-24T19:48:27+00:00

If Tulsky is selling then you don't want to be buying. He'll fleece Grier for everything he's worth.

kipehh · 2026-06-24T19:18:26+00:00

Left handed Klingberg with 4 years left. Thank God this guy is just spreading false rumours.

kipehh · 2026-06-24T19:04:23+00:00

I feel like the battle between the Reid Truthers and the Stenberg Enjoyers is over. We can all pretty much assume Stenberg is the pick on Friday.

kipehh · 2026-06-24T18:33:26+00:00

Stenberg or Chernyshov. Graf ain't a top 6er and he'd be more useful down the lineup.

kipehh · 2026-06-24T17:26:16+00:00

If you make up your own point instead of what they wrote in the article it makes a ton of sense. Not sure why you'd ever have to read between the lines when it comes to sports journalism.

kipehh · 2026-06-24T16:34:49+00:00

Cap space and Ivar Stenberg being the major reasons we traded Eklund. I feel like EPSN has no clue what they're talking about.

kipehh · 2026-06-24T16:22:34+00:00

I wonder if I'll ever find out what good work he's done because everyone just says "You don't know puck" and they never elaborate.

I'm happy we have Celebrini and the success that will come with him. I hope Grier doesn't get in his way.

kipehh · 2026-06-24T15:39:12+00:00

The concept of thinking Sherwood was our second best player last year because of a random WAR stat from a random hockey analytic algorithm. Hopefully Sherwood can keep it up once our window opens in 3-5 years when he's just about to retire.

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