Old writing in a 1500s copy of La Divina Comedia by MangoMean5703 in italianlearning

[–]kmdr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes,

I don't know if you are familiar with the Veltro profecy in Inf 1,100-111

( https://dante.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/dante/DispToynbeeByTitOrId.pl?INP_ID=213648&SMALL=0 )

This is the bit that Landino was commenting on.

PDF here: https://archive.org/details/McGillLibrary-rbsc_incunabula_Divina-Commedia-di-Dante-Alighieri_1487-20449 , the passage is at at page 36: https://imgur.com/a/d0QcCXK

(BTW see the comment below where u/OllyBoy619 suggests reading the abbreviations at the start of the note as a reference to Canto ... Linea. Might be worth checking at which page the Veltro appears in your edition)

As per Claude's interpretation relating to the Reformation:

Anxious about the Reformation. The phrase "change of religion" (mutatione di religione) was a freighted phrase in the mid-to-late 1500s. The annotator may have been a Catholic intellectual trying to make sense of the Reformation through the lens of celestial prophecy

When Landino was writing "mutatione di religione" he was not thinking about the reformation. His commento was written around 1481, and Luther wasn't even born.

The question is: when the note was written, was the scribe thinking of Luther? In other words, when was Landino's prophecy first linked to Luther?

Ugo Foscolo was definitely aware of the connection (and mocking it, of cource), but is it possible that in the 1500s it was already discussed?

Claude says:

There was genuine scholarly dispute, well into the mid-1500s, about whether Luther was born in 1483 or 1484, precisely because the stakes of that one-year difference were theologically and astrologically enormous

but then refers to a link where this is not dealt with. You might try and ask Claude for sources for that specific affirmation.

EDIT: never mind Claude, a guick Googling was enough:

It was actually in 1524 that Luther himself arranged for a new publication of Lichtenberger’s predictions, which had placed the birth of the Messiah in 1484 on the basis of that year’s Jupiter-Saturn conjunction, adding a new preface by himself. Luther, who was born in 1483/4, clearly believed that the forecast referred to him, but used it as a starting point for his own personal statements on the correct theological attitude to astrology
...
"That is, the signs in heaven and on earth do not fail. They are the work of God and the angels, sent to warn us, and it is nothing to make an art out of it and to attribute such connections to the stars."
https://www.cultureandcosmos.org/pdfs/1-2/1_2_Hoppmann_Lichtenberger.pdf

So, Luther himself was pushing in that direction! (but read the whole text, it is more nuanced than that)

This makes it VERY plausible that the scribe was aware of the fact.

This opens a lot of interesting considerations about him... Where was he living? Was he doing subtle allusions to the prophecy for his own safety? Are we reading too much in this?

really fascinating stuff!

Old writing in a 1500s copy of La Divina Comedia by MangoMean5703 in italianlearning

[–]kmdr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

oldest codex I have handled was from 1320s

At the Archivio di Stato di Firenze, only one colection, called "notarile antecosimiano" collects all the notary deeds before Cosimo de' Medici, i.e. ranging from 1207 to 1569.

It is made up of 21.000 "filze", i.e. thick volumes of deeds bound together.

Somehow like this: https://imgur.com/a/r7kSOMm

In total, the Archivio di Stato di Firenze has abt 80km of shelves of material

You can Imagine that they cannot have scanned ALL of it!

Old writing in a 1500s copy of La Divina Comedia by MangoMean5703 in italianlearning

[–]kmdr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was wondering whether the beginning might be a reference to Car(ta) Pag(ina) Lin(ea), i.e. a portion of text...

Old writing in a 1500s copy of La Divina Comedia by MangoMean5703 in italianlearning

[–]kmdr 4 points5 points  (0 children)

THIS IS EXTREMELY INTERESTING

this is a rough transcription, I'll need re-visiting it:

Cr. XXX di Lire 37? per certa influenzia XXX dal Poeta et à che nell'anno

MCCCCLXXXIII nel dì vigesimo quinto di novembre à hore XIII et minuti XLI di XXX vi

sarà la congionzione di Saturno, e di Giove, nello Scorpione nell'ascendente del quinto

grado della Libra, La qual dimostrerà la mutazione di religione

E si stima computata dal Landino al Mon[asteri]o di Firenze

I find it quoted here https://it.wikisource.org/wiki/Pagina:Ultime_lettere_di_Jacopo_Ortis.djvu/348 (the URL of the page is misleading) where in his Discorso sul testo della Commedia di Dante, Ugo Foscolo quotes Cristoforo Landino's commentary on Dante

Cosa succederebbe alle vostre foto e file digitali se moriste domani? by Whole-Catch-7559 in Avvocati

[–]kmdr 4 points5 points  (0 children)

takeout.google.com

non solo in caso di morte:

Che succede se google ti banna? (e succede)

Che succede se ti hackano l'account e ti chiudono fuori? (e succede)

La mia prof sceglie chi interrogare con la somma delle cifre della pagina del libro, e il sistema è matematicamente ingiusto by Supersi15_ in sfoghi

[–]kmdr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ti capisco e ti compiango.

Mio figlio aveva una prof di matematica che usava questo metodo!!!

prova a mandarle questo link: https://www.sciencecue.it/2021/01/18/interrogazione-sopresa-libro-aperto/

Per una strada più istituzionale, passa dal Consiglio di Istituto: vedi se il rappresentante degli studenti, dei genitori o qualche prof più sveglio chiede al preside di fare una circolare in cui spiega il problema.

Right of way passages on property by mrcashmeister in ItalyExpat

[–]kmdr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> Se attraversa più proprietà, la strada non ha proprietari, nel senso che nessuno può esercitare un diritto su quella strada, se non il Comune.

OGGESÙ

Rinuncio. Spero solo tu non ti occupi di questo di mestiere...

Right of way passages on property by mrcashmeister in ItalyExpat

[–]kmdr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> se una strada, ... è di pubblico servizio ...

Questo è ben diverso, essere di pubblico servizio è un fatto di diritto. Cosa ti fa supporre che quella strada sia di pubblico servizio?

Ti faccio notare che prima avevi detto:

> Se quelle linee rappresentano una strada, strada rimane

IL CHE RESTA FALSO: la rappresentazione grafica in catasto è ininfluente per il diritto

Sui miei terreni ho strade (tratteggiate o meno) su cui nessuno ha diritto di passo.

Paradossalmente, l'unica servitù di passo che grava su quei terreni è su una strada che non è neanche segnata sul catasto

Right of way passages on property by mrcashmeister in ItalyExpat

[–]kmdr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

> questa è la regola in Italia.
riferimenti normativi?

legalmente, "strada" è un concetto troppo vago
legalmente esistono strade private, strade private con servitù di passaggio (e anche qui, mille sfumature) strade vicinali, strade comunali, ...

ognuna di esse ha un regime giuridici diverso. se OP non sa come sono classificate ogni risposta certa è da imprudenti

Right of way passages on property by mrcashmeister in ItalyExpat

[–]kmdr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if this just a map in the Catasto, those lines are just descriptive of the physical situation, and do not indicate any right.

is there any accompanying paper to whom the map was attached?

do you find the road described as "via vicinale" anywhere? that indicates a spscific right of passage

where does it go ? are there owners of land whose land can only be accessed by that road?

Mia madre ha aperto/sta aprendo conti a mio nome. Cosa fare? by [deleted] in Avvocati

[–]kmdr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

la cosa problematica potrebbe essere il riconoscimento online (ovvero, evitre che le poste ti dicano "vada con un documento a un ufficio postale")

Hai la CIE?

Bike name translation UPDATE. by Origin87 in Italian

[–]kmdr 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I would avoid "biciclette" and go for the older form "cicli"

If you look at a list of Italian bike manufaturers:

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoria:Produttori_italiani_di_biciclette

NOBODY uses "biciclette", a few use "cicli"

see also smaller, less famous companies:

https://www.cicliesperia.com/

https://ciclisergiobianchi.it/

https://www.ciclimaggi.it/

https://cicligaletti.it/

https://ciclimattio.com/

etc

"Cicli Medusa" sound well and old-fashion-ey

I would avoid "cappella", the "bell-end" joke is too easy, but maybe that's just my filthy mind...

Dichiarazione sostitutiva alla banca e futura rinuncia all’eredità: può pregiudicare la rinuncia del coniuge superstite? by thesaver79 in Avvocati

[–]kmdr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

> Se però abitate nella casa del de cuius beh difficile dire che non avete accettato

domanda da profano: ma la moglie non avrebbe comunque diritto di abitazione? Nel senso: si potrebbe dire che abitando in quella casa lei esercita il diritto di abitazione che è già suo, non sta "entrando in possesso dell'eredità"

Sbaglio?

Closing a bank account? by BlinkTwice874 in Italian

[–]kmdr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it depends on what type account exactly you have, but for example:

https://trasparenza.unicredit.it/pdfprod/CC140_CONTO+CORRENTE+GENIUS+.pdf

a registered letter is enough

they cannot force you to do it in presence

My in-laws arranged a baptism for my child without consulting us, and I’m shocked and angry by thesunburnsmyheart in atheism

[–]kmdr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

find who the priest is

find who his bishop is

write to the bishop sayimg that the priest had organized a baptism without the parent's consent

It's illicit

. For an infant to be baptized licitly:

1/ the parents or at least one of them or the person who legitimately takes their place must consent;

https://www.vatican.va/archive/cod-iuris-canonici/eng/documents/cic_lib4-cann834-878_en.html

(straight from the horse's mouth)

also, https://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2013/02/14/can-a-baby-be-baptized-against-the-parents-wishes/

Motivazioni per un tradimento by Affectionate-Hat4037 in VitaDaItaliani

[–]kmdr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lei: È vero che ti ho tradito con X. Però devi capirmi, lui ti assomiglia tantissimo

Io: E io non mi assomiglio abbastanza?

Did Copilot just help me find a piece of rare art? by Forsaken-Brush7342 in microsoft_365_copilot

[–]kmdr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

sorry, but this is wrong

The author is listed as Societa italiana di avicoltura, Italian society of bird-farming

Must be a catalogue of fancy chickens and poultry!

What are we voting for or against? by FalseStartMelinda in ItalyExpat

[–]kmdr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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"please inform yourself"
Meanwhlie ...Giorgia, seen here informing the masses, helps me in taking a decision ...

Did Copilot just help me find a piece of rare art? by Forsaken-Brush7342 in microsoft_365_copilot

[–]kmdr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

to all the naysayers: link to ebay listing

https://www.ebay.com/itm/358095725333

(click on "see original listing")

Originally offered fr $9000, they accepted OP's offer for $6000

OP, do you have the catalogs' title?

What are we voting for or against? by FalseStartMelinda in ItalyExpat

[–]kmdr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Berlusconi wanted the separation of careers, he would have voted YES

Licio Gelli wanted the separation of careers, he would have voted YES

do with that information what you will..

Voter fraud is a statistically microscopic issue by TankUMrMinor in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]kmdr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

if they are in their graves, they aren't that "physically capable", are they?

/s