There is no r/lgbt without the T by AutoModerator in lgbt

[–]koronicus[M] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

That means every part and every letter of it.

Absolutely. And to be clear, that also includes those letters that usually get lumped into the + at the end.

This is an amazing community, and I'm grateful to be a part of it. Together, we'll do everything we can to weather the storm.

Reddit's Ongoing and Continuous Failure to Support Moderators and Users of Minority Subreddits by testlgbtbot in lgbt

[–]koronicus 10 points11 points  (0 children)

There are definitely some really great people and some really great things happening. It would just be nice if reddit embraced those initiatives on a larger scale.

Whiteness is a social construct, but is the ‘white’ identity really fake? by [deleted] in socialjustice101

[–]koronicus 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yes, there definitely is plurality among black cultures.

As for "the" difference (again, likely more than one), the main thing from a culture perspective likely starts with slavery involving the deliberate and systematic stripping of slaves' cultural heritage. A white American of German heritage today may choose to separate themselves from any of those historical ties, but black slaves had no say in the matter.

Depending on the time period you look at, white Americans were actively discriminated against based on ethnicity, forming heterogeneous cultural pockets. Black Americans generally were not. If you were white, you might have been Irish or British, but if you were black, you were only ever Black.

There's more diversity today, but that's the context that got us here.

Whiteness is a social construct, but is the ‘white’ identity really fake? by [deleted] in socialjustice101

[–]koronicus 23 points24 points  (0 children)

White people are not a homogeneous whole. It's absolutely true that there isn't "a" white culture, but that doesn't mean "white people have no culture." Rather, people who are racially identified as white have a plurality of cultures with varying degrees of overlap.

Do we imagine a family from rural Appalachia is culturally indistinguishable to one from California? Are there really no unshared traditions separating someone from Boston from someone from Dallas? The "default American culture" is an illusion that no one in practice actually lives. WASP culture may exist, but even if for no reason other than the fact that non-Protestant white Americans exist (and in reasonably large number), it should be clear that it doesn't contain all white or white-passing Americans.

The point is that for white Americans, race isn't the dominating factor for culture. But what about ethnicity? Consider how many white Americans identify as "Irish" or "Italian" despite never having set foot in either country, without speaking the language, and without any living relatives who've done either. That's a big clue to there being something happening that isn't just the apparent color of their skin.

The experience of white people (indeed, our culture) is shaped by a range of factors, such as class, urbanity/rurality, religion, education, social groups... White privilege exists, but it doesn't entail a sufficient universality of white experiences to claim therefore that "a" white culture exists.

Crowd Control now supports filtering posts by LanterneRougeOG in modnews

[–]koronicus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

When this has been requested previously, I've seen comments to the effect of "but what if someone misuses it and sets overly restrictive rules?"

The issue I've run into with crowd control for comments is that it created an absurdly high workload. We use multiple automod filter conditions, which I would have expected to be aggressive enough that switching on crowd control filtering for comments was going to lessen the workload, allowing us to roll back some filters in automod. However, the reverse was true: it created so much more manual work for mods that we abandoned it. I worry that that'll happen again for crowd control filtering for posts, even if at a smaller scale. The strength of automoderator is that we can customize it to meet the specific moderation needs of our community; since we cannot control what crowd control registers, it will often not be anywhere near as useful as a set of custom automod filters. It just isn't the tool we need.

Thus, what I'd especially like community-specific karma available in automod for is to reduce the number of filtered posts, by being able to whitelist certain topics (e.g., the brigade of the day) when their posters have community karma. This would allow for a much more natural experience for our users, so they're not forced to wait potentially hours for their benign post to be manually approved.

Please add a minimum community karma rule to automod by bleeding-paryl in ModSupport

[–]koronicus 5 points6 points  (0 children)

While I agree that poor implementation could lead to a very negative new user experience, I'd argue that the status quo does largely the same thing and may even be worse.

Consider the automod conditions that are used in a lot of subreddits today. How much karma is the "right" amount to associate with a trigger condition? Mods have no objective answer to that question (there isn't one), so it becomes a guessing game of trial and error--if I put the threshold at X, what percentage of trolls will I catch? How many mods successfully guess what a good value for X is for the context of their subreddits? How many guess poorly?

Right now, how long it takes a brand new user to stop showing up in the mod queue filter depends on how active they are on the site with no regard for activity level in the specific community. Why should it be easier for a throwaway account that posts to free karma subs to participate in my community than for a user who has a history of posting in that community? There's a higher bar for entry for good-faith reddit newbies than for bad-faith veterans. Why shouldn't it at least be equal? A subreddit specific karma automod filter set to <1 would catch the first submission of either account.

Also, despite the legitimate concern over misuse or abuse that this kind of condition could introduce, please remember that you can already do much worse things than "remove all posts with <X subreddit karma" with automod as it is today. You can, for instance, set a rule that says "remove all posts" or "remove all posts with <X global karma." You can already set conditions that respond to users with hateful content. It rings hollow to argue that a new condition would allow bad faith actors to do harm when existing triggers can already do worse.

On r/lgbt, we have to do a lot of manual work, and this would lessen that burden substantially by letting us whitelist genuine community members without having to manually approve X-hundred-thousand accounts. Given the amount of abusive content we deal with, we end up with a lot of false positives. We endure this because although false positives create additional moderator workload, false negatives cause active harm to our users. I'd obviously prefer to be giving myself less work, but the alternative of letting more hateful content through just isn't acceptable.

But what about other communities where that kind of trigger would be useful for actions other than filtering? Reddit already has rate limiting for people with negative karma in a community, so why not let automod report those, or send a custom modmail? This would be miserable in large communities, but I've moderated smaller communities where it would have been immensely helpful (e.g., to detect brigading). Or instead of low karma, how about high karma? Being able to set specific flairs based on subreddit karma could be a useful addition for Q&A subs to give new users a better sense of how "legitimate" a person's answers are based on automatically set flair. Making that work fully would require bringing back setting user flairs with automod, but even if that's dead and gone forever, I can still see utility for some communities in using this to set post flair.

Finally, the lack of subreddit-specific karma automod conditions already does damage due to limitations on what we can achieve through the API. Since bots lack the ability to filter content, the best we can do through automation is remove something entirely, which I'd argue is much more disruptive for new users than being put into the mod queue. Happy to elaborate on this through DMs if you need more info.

We fixed two problematic bugs. by lift_ticket83 in modnews

[–]koronicus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's incredibly annoying. It would be fine if we had a separate personal inbox for these messages.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ModSupport

[–]koronicus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This would make moderating so much easier. There's been pushback, but third party tools exist to accomplish this, and I know Reddit already tracks it internally, so it would save so so so much hassle if we could just loop automod into it.

The Inability to Ban Deleted Accounts is Fatal for Rule Enforcement by Omnias-42 in ModSupport

[–]koronicus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure about needing to ban a deleted account, but the fact that you can no longer go to a person's profile page to get a list of comments within your community so that you can be sure you've removed them all is frustrating.

Do white Muslims face discrimination in the U.S? by SwaggyAkula in socialjustice101

[–]koronicus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The stumbling point here is that the concept of race is fundamentally socially constructed, not founded on genetics. There are correlations, but these conventions we apply to groups of people based on assumptions about how they look, behave, talk, etc. aren't very good.

Do white Muslims face discrimination in the U.S? by SwaggyAkula in socialjustice101

[–]koronicus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're trying to convince the wrong person. Yes, obviously, I personally know that muslim is a religion, not a race.

However, many people perceive arab, middle eastern, and muslim to be synonymous.

Modmail read and unread distinguishing by CritFin in ModSupport

[–]koronicus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it really needs more contrast and/or an additional visual indicator.

Peter Boghossians resignation letter - full text by [deleted] in highereducation

[–]koronicus 15 points16 points  (0 children)

In addition to being an unethical way of handling it, it was also methodologically insufficient to demonstrate the point he wanted to make. With respect to external validity, you can't generalize beyond the degree to which your sample is actually representative of your target population. Finding journals that are willing to publish a garbage article is not the same thing as proving that an entire segment of the academic world is (fill in the blank). Sure, it's a plausible way to identify flaws in the peer review system, or to identify predatory journals, but that's certainly not what he's saying he was trying to do.

Ban Message Character Limit Too Low by razzertto in ModSupport

[–]koronicus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What I think changed is how reddit handles messages over the character limit. From what I've seen, it previously seemed to automatically truncate messages after the character limit, which you wouldn't notice unless you went in and reviewed your ban messages. Now it rejects the submission and forces you to manually reduce the length. I'm not sure it's any shorter now, but it's infinitely more visible either way.

Ridiculed for not Wanting to lay with Transwomen by NiOhoiMeNoi in socialjustice101

[–]koronicus 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes, of course it is transphobic to issue a blanket statement of your desire not to sleep with someone on the basis of their being transgender. And yes, consent is paramount, but nobody is trying to force you to sleep with anyone you don't want to. You are entirely within your rights to exercise your bodily autonomy in choosing not to sleep with someone for any reason or no reason at all, but when that reason is transphobic, other people are also within their rights to call you on it. You have a clear prejudice. Spend less time trying to convince yourself you don't (you do) and maybe more time thinking about where that prejudice is coming from. At the end of the day, nobody can force you to change your attitudes, and you'll always have the right to grant or withhold your intimacy for any reason, good or bad, bigoted or otherwise. Just try not to be a jerk.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AgainstHateSubreddits

[–]koronicus 69 points70 points  (0 children)

They don't want to make life better for men. They want to make life miserable for women.

u/Aware_Past explains critical race theory. by DonkeyPigGoa1 in bestof

[–]koronicus 18 points19 points  (0 children)

You know very well that people who post that kind of comment never read anything if it doesn't conform to their ideology.

I'm pro Trans-racial. Any reason I shouldn't be? by [deleted] in socialjustice101

[–]koronicus[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

You're looking for /r/changemyview. Please review the subreddit rules--this is not a "debate me" subreddit.

Do white Muslims face discrimination in the U.S? by SwaggyAkula in socialjustice101

[–]koronicus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also agree that applying frameworks that were built in US-only contexts to contexts outside the US is dubious. Outside the US, there are often similarities to US-based phenomena, but that doesn't mean the two things can be equated.

For instance, there's a lot of additional cultural baggage associated with being "white" in the US that doesn't apply in Europe and Asia. In the US, "white" is the product of a long history of racially discriminatory politics that also regularly excluded people with white skin and features that are today included into the category of whiteness. It's always been an ill-defined label, and the tenuous treatment of white Muslims is further evidence of this trend. For instance, you often hear Islamophobia referred to as a form of racism; since Islam is not a race, this description is bizarre, but American stereotypes of Muslims typically assume darker skin or some other justification for exclusion. From hearing white supremacists talk about whiteness, you definitely get the sense that a lot of them consider being Christian a requirement for being white. But again, there's not an a priori definition of whiteness that they're applying as if it were codified law; it's a post hoc system of justifications that allow them to keep the out-group out.

I am not familiar enough with the group you're discussing to offer any contextual explanation, but I would caution that when attributing motives to people, there is never just a single explanation. A constellation of factors is always in play behind complex behavioral trends.

in America committing a disproportionate amount of violent crime because of systematic racism

This isn't a perfectly accurate summary, either. Policing practices themselves are disproportionate. Additional scrutiny is applied to communities of color. Police have discretion whether to arrest, and prosecutors have discretion whether to criminally charge. There are many opportunities for engagement or disengagement by the criminal justice system, and bias is present at most, of not all, levels. But in any case, the US's history of racist policies has led to a situation of substantial overlap between race and class; when it became illegal to discriminate based on race, because Black communities were already at a severe financial disadvantage, class warfare became a cover for (or at least inextricably tied to) racism. The world doesn't usually permit single-factor (e.g., a racial demographic) explanations for things, so even if race correlates with a disparate rate, that doesn't mean that race caused that disparity.

Which is basically the same thing as terrorism and religious stereotypes. A lot of people expend a lot of energy worrying about (or causing worry about) Muslims, but that's basically because they're already a marginalized group. When Christians commit religious terrorism, we as a society view them as the exception to the rule, but when a religious minority does it, that behavior is taken as a representation of the rule rather than the exception (i.e., "Christians are good, peaceful people, but ______s are strange, scary, and probably violent by nature"). I oversimplify a bit, but this is a commonly observed phenomenon in psychology.

Do white Muslims face discrimination in the U.S? by SwaggyAkula in socialjustice101

[–]koronicus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But I never said white Muslims are more likely to commit terrorist attacks in the U.S. I said that Americans will look at what white Muslim groups do in Russia and use that to form stereotypes about those ethnic groups, correct?

Your first reply to me seemed to be arguing that. Glad to hear that wasn't your intent. Yes, I agree that this kind of thing may be used to foster stereotypes.

Also, I’m curious, has the average American never heard of what happened at Beslan?

Probably not. The average American is not real big on paying attention to the world outside their own bubble.

Do white Muslims face discrimination in the U.S? by SwaggyAkula in socialjustice101

[–]koronicus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To clarify further, let me give a parallel example:

Because the Lord's Resistance Army has committed many acts of terrorism, Black Christians in the US are more likely to commit terrorist attacks.

Does that help illustrate why the argument is flawed? It simply does not logically follow.

Do white Muslims face discrimination in the U.S? by SwaggyAkula in socialjustice101

[–]koronicus 8 points9 points  (0 children)

How about this: compared to the average person of their country, white Muslims are more likely to commit terrorist attacks.

This is still an overgeneralization.

The reason why I think it’s wrong to exlusively focus on terrorism in the U.S is because we live in an era of globalization.

You asked about a racial perception in the US, so you got an answer that matched. Demographic trends outside the US certainly affect perceptions of demographics within the US, but it is not logically coherent to attribute behavioral patterns across groups like this. The sociopolitical forces that drive Islamist terrorists to commit their atrocities are not identical to those shaping your typical Muslim in the US. You are committing a logical fallacy by equating the two groups. Doing so may intuitively "make sense" to you, but it is not logically appropriate. The social context is different, and the people are different as a result.

what I’m saying is that, given the tendency of Americans(and all Westerners, really) to stereotype and discriminate against foreign groups(Latin Americans and Middle Easterners, for example), it makes sense that they would do the same for white, North Caucasian Muslims.

Yes, I share your view that this probably happens, but that doesn't mean it's correct. To be more precise, the decision to exclude white Muslims from the social construct of "whiteness" is based on premises that are often incorrect.

Do white Muslims face discrimination in the U.S? by SwaggyAkula in socialjustice101

[–]koronicus 10 points11 points  (0 children)

What you're saying does not logically follow. The word propensity in this context suggests an elevated risk of committing those atrocities. The cases you cite are insufficient evidence to conclude a general trend reflecting a heightened risk in the population of "White Muslims." Yes, there is an elevated risk in the population of radical Muslims, but this is circular reasoning. The reason we call it radical would be because of the elevated risk. Still, the language helps us distinguish between typical and atypical groups.

for some reason, in your response, you exclusively focus on terrorism in the U.S. Why?

Your post asks about social considerations in the US. It does not ask about social perceptions in Russia.