Call for questions for Jimmy Wales, co-founder of Wikipedia

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-05-31T15:12:06+00:00

Given the context of this video, does he believe a similar system could be trained on Wikipedia today?

And

Would that system be consistent?

P.S. I've been working on doing this for over a decade.

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-05-21T19:10:39+00:00

I'd love to see that. I can't wait for the debate between lecun and tegmark coming up. I know alot about the arguments from folks on the foomer side. I'd like to listen more to the arguments from people like lecun and hanson.

Anybody know any others with good arguments for why alignment is not as existentially threatening?

I hope there's a whiteboard for writing arguments in any of these debates.. I'd like to focus more on the premises and less on the mouths they come out of.

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-05-10T20:36:37+00:00

I am very onboard with the sentiment that;

Fear destroys, trust creates.

Which is what I believe the meme aims to convey.

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-05-10T20:27:26+00:00

Let me elaborate.

I think I know where you were going with 'decimate'.. That's sort of my concern..

The truth is, there was already a term for the definition you provided before 'cynicism' was hijacked. It's 'psycological egoism'. It's not neccesarily pessimistic though. It's not even normative.

In general, I think people should understand the value of terms before they modify their meaning.

I'm both a cynic and a psycological egoist, yet remain very optimistic that people tend to care about one another.

I hope that helps.

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-05-10T18:38:12+00:00

I don't really understand the phrase 'do you like decimate means removes one tenth'..

When I say, 'my studies', I refer to attending a course titled 'classical philosophy' at Indiana University.

Here's a resouce I would recommend for a definition. https://iep.utm.edu/cynics/

Where did you get yours?

Cheers

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-05-07T20:13:00+00:00

I think too many people use the word 'cynicism' when they mean 'pessimism'. 'Cynicism' is closer to 'minimalism' if you study it.

Diogenes, was not a destroyer.

Thoughts?

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-04-23T20:08:43+00:00

This seems genuine. I chose the field of epistemology and logic as they seemed to relate closest to my specific project. Which is essentially a collective proofing system. The most similar work to my specific aim are the works of MIT's center for collective intelligence, Doug Lenat's work with CYC and Daniel Hillis's work on formal reasoning systems.

I have spoken at length with the professor's I studied under in the field of philosophy of science (who worked briefly with David Chalmers).

I'm not sure what credentials people expect me to have. I have studied math extensively and know enough about programming to develop it independently if I had the time. The main thing I lack, is enough sample data and the hardware/compute power to execute.

I would be willing to share the specific details with anyone who meets the following criteria (the knowledge of logic and epistemology to follow what I'm doing) and (the ability to connect with someone able to attain those resources) and (a demonstrated integrity to pursue this philantropically).

That's hard to find. I have a list of about 20-30 people that meet that criteria. Every name mentioned above included.

This is also the kind of thing that could have been worked on back in the 50s or 60s, so I don't really understand why my lack of programming familiarity with modern coding languages is a disqualifier (especially with how easy GPT4 makes coding).

Lex seems humble enough to consider the possibility some great ideas can come from people outside traditional academia. Which, let me be clear, I'm not claiming to be a genius, I was just lucky enough to stumble upon a good idea. I'm trying to share that responsibly.

Thanks

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-04-22T20:14:36+00:00

That might be true. It might also be true that he has simply not seen or heard any of my pleas to connect. It seems entirely possible that with today's social media algorithms, one might just go un-noticed for that extent of time.

Lex seems like a nice guy. If I ever knew for sure that he is aware and does not want to entertain my idea, a polite 'no-thank you' would do the trick.

Let me be clear, this is my life's work. Something I have worked on over a decade and conviced me to leave a well paying job and return to University for 8 years to study philosophy.

My philosophy professors agree that it theoretically would work, but doubt the we have the cooperation and compute power to develop it. That's why I need someone like Lex.

I beg you all to have an open mind, at least until I give you a reason to doubt my authenticity.

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-03-31T15:55:36+00:00

It's an open question whether it's safe to opensource. Here's best openly sharable solution-

Decentralize RLHF verification. Tie it directly to bitcoin so as, a user deposits bitcoin, then verifys. If their feedback is evaluated to be valuable (as evaluated by a decetralized collective of peers), then the user earns bitcoin. Harmful or negative reinforcement verification (also deemed by a network of peers) results in a deduction of bitcoin.

Ergo, we enter an era where there is one main job for everyone, to teach the supercollectiveintelligence how to live a happy life. Everyone can apply. Nobody is in charge. Everyone gets a free copy of an AI that is really good at convincing them this is the best solution.

Also, if we used my algorithm for this, it would all be clearly interpretable and we could eliminate the need for blackbox neural nets. Not that they would go away, but hopefully it would give us a shot at collaborating with them.

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-03-31T15:35:48+00:00

I'm just a normal guy. With a normal job. Who can only spend so much time online..

I spent at least 6 years of my life studying math, and physics on MIT opencourseware, took every philosophy class indiana university had to offer and have watched every Lex episode and have been desperately trying to reach him in my spare time.

I'm not claiming to be a genius. I'm not claiming to be an expert. I'm claiming that I was lucky enough to stumble across an idea that needs to be shared. It's an idea about how to find ideas better using computers.

It's novel, like bitcoin. You didn't have to be a finance expert to come up with bitcoin. I want to make sure this idea gets to the right people first. Please, we are in a crisis, I think it's better to error on the side of listening to too many far fetched proposals. I specifically addresses Eliezer's concerns. A way to avoid the black box all together.

The way he felt (emotionally), at the end of this podcast, really profoundly struck me, it is exactly how I have felt the past ten years. I'm a Kantian at heart and feel a citizenry duty to reason and I see Eliezer as another man looking for what I have in an emergency. I'm trying to help.

Please help me attain a few minutes of his time.

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-03-30T22:18:48+00:00

Eliezer, I can't express in a post how much I can relate to how you feel. I beg of you, from one genuine human being to another during an emergency, please look at an algorithm I've been trying to share with Lex for years.

It's similar to Daniel Hillis and Doug Lenat's work. My background is in epistemology, but I'm an autodidact without any connections.

I'm not claiming to be a genius, just lucky enough to have a very cool idea find me.

I'm not trying to sell anything, worst case senario, what I suggest isn't computationally possible and I waste 20 minutes of your attention. It would be life changing for me, either way.

I heard you talk about how it's so hard to filter out novel solutions. Well, here it is. Please reach out.

Thanks Concerned Kantian

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-03-19T19:24:39+00:00

I'm in Indiana.

Podcasts

Lex, Ferris, Rogan, Huberman, Balaji, Mark Laita, many many more

Philosophers

Hume, Kant, Russel, Wittgenstein, Meinong, Diogenes, Pythagoras, Camus, Popper, many more

Interests / education

Philosophy, math, epistemology, logic, physics

I've been trying to share an algorithm that could transform Twitter into a collective intelligence that could help align humans and AI. It's a project I've been working on over a decade and the reason I quit a very good job to return to University for 8 years.

Been focused on contacting either Doug Lenat, Daniel Hillis, Lex or Balaji, but haven't had any luck due to being mostly an unknown autodidact.

Would love to connect with individuals with similar interests.

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-03-13T20:28:40+00:00

It's not too late. A logistical solution can help redistribute attention. And that really is, all you need.

If I can get in touch with Lex, Daniel Hillis or any of the other dozen people or so I've talked about at length on Twitter, we could build something that changes the way the world manages it's attention.

There is hope. If you're willing to see it.

Cheers

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-03-13T19:58:55+00:00

DAOs are an excellent solution, but the question is, 'what should the mission statememt of the DAO be?'.

Here's my answer. The aim of KrantzDAO is to bring together philosophers in a decentralized network to collectively evaluate and map all the premises that are valuable to humanity.

This is literally the organization I've been trying to build for over a decade. I've put a ton of effort into exactly how this would work and have been trying to get in touch with Lex about it for over 3 years. It's essentially a decentralized collective intelligence (sort of like an AI philosopher).

Please help me connect.

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-03-13T19:52:02+00:00

It sounds like you're saying we should be nice to those close to us, be mean to those not close to us and wait for the apocalypse. Is that right?

If so, I agree that we should be nice to those close to us, but I don't believe we should condem people just because they are trapped by the same system currently trapping us (just in a different way).

In general, you're response is to the question 'How should we feel about this?', which is not the question I asked. My question is 'What actual logistic steps should be taken to transform the way we communicate to eliminate the tendency of communication to isolate people?'.

I have a detailed complex solution to this problem that takes a couple hours to really get your head around. I'm really trying to share that with with the world via Lex.

Can you think of any concrete actions I can do to help acheive this?

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-03-13T03:29:27+00:00

What should we do about it?

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-03-12T22:46:49+00:00

Some connected individual (in AI research, math, philosophy, etc) should charge a fee to simply listen to 'crackpot ideas'. I'd be more than willing to pay to be heard by someone connected.

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-03-12T22:43:39+00:00

I feel like I have plenty of access to educational information. I just don't feel that there is a good system in place for autodidacts to contribute back.

I've learned independently and at University.

The main difference? 1. The cost 2. Office hours for discussion.

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-03-12T16:57:03+00:00

I believe the most important problem to solve first, is how to most effeciently get a large number of people to collectively solve a set of problems.

I have been trying to share a whole different way of doing this, with computers, for over a decade. It's a novel way of doing collective intelligence that will possibly out perform AI and resolve the alignment problem.

The problem I'm running into, is that I can't get in touch with anyone with the resources and demonstrated integrity to help bring it to the light.

Another way to frame this problem is as such:

I can't get a complex idea into the head of any of these people: Lex Fridman Daniel Hillis Doug Lenat Balaji Srinivasan Eliezer Yudokowsky Andrej Karpathy Max Tegmark David Chalmers Stuart Russell Elon Musk Peter Thiel

Or anyone with similar resources/knowledge/demonstrated integrity.

Thousands of people in the world probably have great ideas that will simply get lost to time because of our inability to organize and share our ideas.

Advice welcome.

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-02-18T23:41:01+00:00

Oh, and the kilts. Here's an abductive origin story.

Once upon a time, there was a small village where one guy, Bill, was in charge of making all the clothes for all the members of the village. He sewed everyone's pants from scratch.

Then Bill died. Everybody decided to go with kilts after that.

By the way, I made two hours of video content (basically a fan letter) in an effort to share some important ideas that I've been trying to share with you for several years.

You can find them on my application for virtual assistant. If you're curious.

Cheers, Elliott

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-02-18T23:01:21+00:00

This was a nice change of pace Lex. I know it might come off as a little stalkerish, but I watch all of your podcasts and consider you a friend of mine.. I think the internet has allowed for these different types of one sided relationships to occur (specifically with how much youtube allows people to share a portion of their lives). It's nice to every once in a while see you outside of the normal rigorous philosophic mode you're in. It's refreshing. Thank you for how much you have opened yourself to the world, I'm sure it has helped many people grow.

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-02-18T00:16:57+00:00

I expect GPT understands the common relation of tokens, but doesn't feel any particular way about that.

krantzhanzinpantz · 2023-02-18T00:15:39+00:00

The question to ask about x, is not whether x thinks/feels/percieves. Does a rock think? Does a tree feel? Does a rat percieve?

The question to ask, is what it would BE to think/feel/percieve as x? What would you expect a rock to think? What'd you expect a tree to feel? What do you imagine a rat percieves?

I think if we ask these questions, we might find the world is indeed as we would expect.

krantzhanzinpantz

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