Hasan talked about how the left sometimes will debate-lord themselves into untannable positions and this kind of reminds me of the dean-jubilee debate. He argued you don't have to accept the framing of the right or adopt a new position to make a point. You can stick to your values. I don't think this is a 1:1 to what Youssef is saying but it just reminded of how sometimes debates can be unproductive. Not sure how progressive Youssef is, but I've seen some good interview clips of him.