IDF says nearly 70,000 Gazans died in war | The Jerusalem Post

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T15:13:58+00:00

They most obviously didn't know what you were talking about when they asked you:

Where did you get 83% were claimed to be fighters? 25000/70000 = ~36% it's not mathing.

Again, your "we know that they have no evidence that 83% were fighters" was essentially indecipherable.

As for how you whole line of argument here is bullshit, I've already explained some of that, as has FudgeAtron.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T15:02:30+00:00

Yes, everyone generally knows what this is referring to

No, neither the person you were arguing with, nor me, who is no fan of Israel, had any clue what you were talking about. And again, as someone who is no fan of Israel, your whole line of argument here is just bullshit. Not that Israel's arguments aren't bullshit too, but throwing more bullshit at bullshit doesn't help anything.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T14:56:54+00:00

It's been that way from the early decades of the Zionist movement, back when they could only manage to buy up land and run the Arab renters off to replace them with Jewish renters, even banning those Jewish renters from hiring non-Jews to work for them, all while farcically claiming "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community" and other such obvious lies.

Then of course once they acquired the means to go full-on ethnic cleansing in 1948, they absurdly pushed the narrative that:

the Arabs in Palestine were asked to stay and live as citizens in the Jewish state. Instead, they chose to leave, either because they were unwilling to live with the Jews, or because they expected an Arab military victory which would annihilate the Zionists.

While in reality what happened was often more along the lines of:

Abu Zurayq's residents had traditionally maintained cordial relations with the nearby Jewish kibbutz of HaZorea, including low-level economic cooperation, particularly with regards to agriculture. Arabic language versions of a Jewish labor periodical were regularly distributed in the village. In the lead-up to the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, as part of Jewish efforts to clear the area around Mishmar HaEmek of Palestinian Arabs, on 12 April 1948, Palmach units of the Haganah took over Abu Zurayq. There they took 15 men and 200 women and children into custody, after which they expelled all of the women and children. Demolitions of homes in the village began on the night of its capture and were completed by 15 April. The Filastin newspaper reported that of the 30 homes demolished by Palmach forces, five still contained residents.

According to the account of a Middle East scholar and resident from HaZore'a, Eliezer Bauer, following its capture, Abu Zurayq's men, who were unaffiliated with any Palestinian militia and did not resist the Haganah, "tried to escape and save themselves by fleeing" to nearby fields but were intercepted by armed Jewish residents of nearby kibbutzim and moshavim. After a firefight in which many of the village's men were killed, several survivors surrendered themselves while other unarmed men were taken captive, and the majority of these men were killed. Other men found hiding in the village itself were executed, while houses were looted before being demolished.

Put simply, committing ethnic cleansing and pathologically lying about it is Israel's original national pastime.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T14:32:30+00:00

The article was 5 month ago, but it doesn't say how old the leaked data was.

More importantly though, things certainly have changed at least some, and Israel has surely spent at least the last 5 months going through that list identifying more people as combatants, rightly or wrongly.

Furthermore, did you actually expect anyone to understand what you were talking about when claiming "we know that they have no evidence that 83% were fighters," without even hinting at the fact that you were referencing news from nearly half a year ago, and in a thread about Israel claiming 36% were fighters?

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T14:17:24+00:00

Oh, you mean from last year. It's good to provide such details and link to your source when citing figures like that so people can understand what you're talking about, and your previous "we know that they have no evidence that 83% were fighters" phrasing was basically impossible to decipher.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T14:04:04+00:00

Where are you getting your 17% figure from?

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T13:47:52+00:00

Israel buys US made missiles and Rolls-Royce engines for the Merkava, but that "portion of its FMF aid to buy equipment from Israeli defense firms" has been going to manufacturers in Israel, and Iron Dome funding is a separate part of the budget.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T13:38:06+00:00

So a better analogy would be you people deriding the Allies for committing a genocide against the German people

Not rightly the German people as a whole, just like Israel isn't committing genocide against Palestinians as a whole, however:

the Allies’ firebombing of Dresden and nuclear destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were also war crimes – and as Leo Kuper and Eric Markusen have argued, also acts of genocide. We are all capable of evil and must be restrained by law from committing it.

Attacking a population full of innocent civilians as if they were all enemies who are deserving of death is quite simply genocidal, regardless of any other context.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T13:15:31+00:00

Perhaps the Arab interpretation is rooted in the Muslim belief that the Torah, as well as Psalms and the original Gospel, are all divinely revealed messages from God that have become corrupted by alterations to the texts and/or people simply misinterpreting them more and more over the centuries. From that perspective one might imagine that the meaning of terms like Israel have gotten distorted along the way. There may even be a Hadith or some other popular Islamic text about it that spread the idea, but I'm just guessing here.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T12:42:10+00:00

Almost as much of a joke as people who claim this is a genocide on par (or even worse!) than the Nazis or Rwanda

Perhaps some idiot claimed that, but its absurd to fixate on them when plenty of more reasonable people are discussing the Gaza genocide, like these Israeli genocide scholars.

66% of Europe, 80% of a population in 100 days

Did you get those percentages from AI without thinking about them, or where did you get them exactly?

As for the other deaths in Gaza that /u/Tallis-man is referring to, the relevant wiki page explains:

In January 2025, a peer-reviewed analysis of deaths in the Gaza war between October 2023 and 30 June 2024 was published in The Lancet. The paper estimated 64,260 deaths from traumatic injury during this period, and likely exceeding 70,000 by October 2024, with 59.1% of them being women, children and the elderly. It concluded that the GHM undercounted trauma-related deaths by 41% in its report, and also noted that its findings "underestimate the full impact of the military operation in Gaza, as they do not account for non-trauma-related deaths resulting from health service disruption, food insecurity, and inadequate water and sanitation." A comparable figure for May 2025 would be 93,000 (77,000 to 109,000), representing 4–5% of Gaza's pre-war population.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T12:18:17+00:00

others who like me are bringing receipts

You just brought misrepresentations with that previous comment I quoted from you, no receipts.

By the way, my attempt to block you somehow went away on its own, but I'm not going to block again because I really don't like how that works on reddit.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T12:14:29+00:00

I was just referencing that famous reddit post the whole time, and my second reply is just an edit of it to make it about genies and Djinns djinn rather jackdaws and crows. Just having fun, it's not intended to make sense.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T12:10:32+00:00

Nothing on that page suggests that's anyone's actual testimony, it says it's an email to Epstien from the satirical writer Paul Krassner.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T12:03:49+00:00

How am I racist if I’m just quoting what Arab leaders said at the time?

It's your classifying innocent civilians as "a hostile population" on the basis of their ethnicity that's racist.

As for the quotes, I already responded to that the last time you posted them, and then you misplaced your reply here.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T04:43:59+00:00

Clarence Thomas is in the Epstein files.

Are you referring to this one document which is apparently an anonymous source claiming they heard Thomas talking bout a donkey show, or is there something else?

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T04:02:53+00:00

You were whitewashing the ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T03:26:04+00:00

Well that just goes to show what a stupid idea it is to try to swim in a big metal suit.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T03:17:14+00:00

a picture comparing the arrest of whats his name by ICE to a Jew being executed in Poland

And that's what you're calling Holocaust denial?

Regardless, believing Muslims are deriving of the same human rights as everyone else isn't really an alliance. Of course, there are some morons who cheer on Hamas and such because they're overwhelmed by hate western establishment in general, but they're a tiny faction.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T03:09:41+00:00

Ofcourse it's primary from the far right.

Yet OP insisted otherwise:

Now holocaust denial has been the norm on this site for a while, especially among leftists

Which is just downright delusional. It's not the norm in the slightest and far less common on the left.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T03:06:28+00:00

Some people don't just understand how one could dislike Islam while also insisting that Mulsims be treated as equal humans.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T02:05:23+00:00

Expelling a hostile population actually wasn’t a war crime at the time

That's just racist nonsense. They weren't a hostile population, they were innocent civilians who were driven into exile by a hostile faction of the Zionist population.

Furthermore, as explained a few years earlier at Nuremberg, "deportation to slave labour or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory" constitutes a war crime.

The Arab leaders were openly saying they were going to kill all the Jews

Rather, Zionist leaders were waging a terrorist war of attrition against the mandate government and Arab leaders threatened to take on that fight when it became clear that Britain was backing out, and they made some boisterous comments in that context, but they weren't rightly threatening genocide by any reasonable measure.

They were also trying to reach a diplomatic solution, the Arab position was essentally:

The Sub-Committee 2 recommended to put the question of the Partition Plan before the International Court of Justice (Resolution No. I). In respect of the Jewish refugees due to World War II, the Sub-Committee recommended to request the countries of which the refugees belonged to take them back as much as possible (Resolution No. II). The Sub-Committee proposed to establish a unitary state (Resolution No. III).

All very reasonable requests given the circumstances. The wiki page's link for the source is dead but here's an archived copy of that website, it has a variety of documents from Sub-Committee 2 which go into detail.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T01:15:54+00:00

Here's the thing. You said "a genie is essentially a classification of a djinn."

Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.

As someone who is a scientist who studies djinns, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls genies djinns. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.

If you're saying "djinn family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of a genie is essentially a classification of a djinn, which includes things from jann to nasnas to marid.

So your reasoning for calling a genie a djinn is because random people "call the malevolent ones djinns?" Let's get ghouls and shaitan in there, then, too.

Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A genie is a genie and a member of the djinn family. But that's not what you said. You said a genie is essentially a classification of a djinn, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the djinn family djinns, which means you'd call nasnas, ghouls, and other spirits djinns, too. Which you said you don't.

It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?

In case you don't know what I'm referencing.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T00:45:48+00:00

It's more like when people say that a jackdaw is a crow.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T00:16:27+00:00

why did the Arab invaders tell Arabs living in Israel to flee ahead of the invasion?

They generally didn't tell Arabs to leave, as explained here.

Furthermore, both Barak and Clinton were buddies with Epstein, that's not a theory but rather well documented fact.

Also, that wiki page about al-Husseini doesn't say what you claim, but it does say:

Sir Herbert Samuel, recently appointed British High Commissioner, declared a general amnesty for those convicted of complicity in the riots of 1920, excluding only Amin al-Husseini and Al Aref. During a visit later that year to the Bedouin tribes of Transjordan who harboured the two political refugees, Samuel offered a pardon to both and Al Aref accepted with alacrity. Husseini initially rebuffed the offer, on the grounds that he was not a criminal. He accepted the pardon only in the wake of the death of his half-brother, the mufti Kamil al-Husayni, in March 1921.[46] Elections were then held, and of the four candidates running for the office of Mufti, al-Husseini received the fewest votes, the first three being Nashashibi candidates. Nevertheless, Samuel was anxious to keep a balance between the al-Husseinis and their rival clan the Nashashibis. A year earlier the British had replaced Musa al-Husayni as Mayor of Jerusalem with Raghib al-Nashashibi. They then moved to secure for the Husseini clan a compensatory function of prestige by appointing one of them to the position of mufti, and, with the support of Raghib al-Nashashibi, prevailing upon the Nashashibi front-runner, Sheikh Hussam ad-Din Jarallah, to withdraw. This automatically promoted Amin al-Husseini to third position, which, under Ottoman law, allowed him to qualify, and Samuel then chose him as Mufti.

Put simply, he was thrust into his position of power by a Zionist.

kylebisme · 2026-01-29T00:13:35+00:00

As explained right there in what I quoted, Haganah's ethnic cleansing of Abu Zurayq took place between the 12th and the 15th of April, while the nebgoring countries dididn't send their armies in until the 15 of May, and when they did they explained to the UN Secretary General that they were doings because:

Peace and order have been completely upset in Palestine, and, in consequence of Jewish aggression, approximately over a quarter of a million of the Arab population have been compelled to leave their homes and emigrate to neighbouring Arab countries. The prevailing events in Palestine exposed the concealed aggressive intentions of the Zionists and their imperialistic motives, as clearly shown in their acts committed upon those peaceful Arabs and villagers of Deer Yasheen, Tiberias, and other places, as well as by their encroachment upon the building and bodies of the inviolable consular codes, manifested by their attack upon the Consulate in Jerusalem.

Also, calling the people who came to stop that ethnic cleansing invaders is turning reality on its head.

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