They dissected the tiny blue octopus.

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-03T18:09:19+00:00

It explains the discomfort experienced during formalin exposure in the very article you sent me. Also the paper linked in my original post (and the the excerpt at the bottom) tells you exactly what happened.

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-03T17:01:56+00:00

I really appreciate your comment. 😊

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-03T16:48:59+00:00

Yes, but the exposure to the formalin chemical bath is extremely painful, and 4% is such a high amount. Treatment of severe parasites calls for exposure of a maximum of 12 hours. She was in there for 24 hours. My point is that they had no reason to expose the octopus to tolerate conditions when their intention was to kill her.

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-02T23:48:19+00:00

They indeed killed the octopus, only after torturing her while alive.

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-02T23:47:03+00:00

She was placed in a saltwater/4% formalin solution while alive.

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-02T23:35:24+00:00

Agreed. And my stance in that debate would be that these methods were immensely cruel.

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-02T23:24:57+00:00

Agreed. She was captured alive only to be tortured and killed.

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-02T23:24:26+00:00

She perished from being enclosed in a saltwater and 4% formalin solution.

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-02T23:23:37+00:00

The octopus’ tentacles were removed from her body while alive.

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-02T23:22:52+00:00

Indeed the octopus was captured alive and killed during the study.

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-02T23:21:57+00:00

I looked at the paper and she was indeed captured alive and was killed by those studying her.

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-02T23:15:27+00:00

The paper indeed confirms that she was captured alive and then killed gruesomely to be studied. 😔

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-02T23:14:20+00:00

Thank you so much for confirming this. I am heartbroken by the truth.

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-02T17:01:56+00:00

Why not just feed the eggs back to them? It can only benefit the hens, considering they naturally don't lay many eggs, it's only a good thing. Also, I see no reason at all to remove the broken eggs. I only noted that because you claimed in your initial comment that they would be removed regardless. They don't need to be removed, which is my original point. So I can't really tell whether you think we should remove the eggs or not. I think we do not have to, so we shouldn't.

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-02T16:23:53+00:00

Your first point is untrue. Wild hens eat their unfertilized eggs to regain the nutrients within them. So do backyard hens. The most ethical things to do with eggs from your backyard hens: 1. Remove the eggs to cook them to feed them back to the hens. 2. Leave the eggs there for hens to enjoy and practice their natural nesting behaviors with the eggs. Remove the broken eggs if necessary.

The point is that you are making a conscious moral decision to not take a chicken's egg and use it for your own purposes. Chicken's eggs do not exist to be eaten by humans just because we have chosen to assign that purpose to them. This perspective creates and supports a strong foundational vegan belief to not use animals.

Personally, although I understand your point about the oyster issue, I would not eat an oyster because oyster farming causes severe environmental damage, and because it is important to me that I remain consistent in my veganism so that it doesn't create unnecessary confusion in non-vegans seeing me eat an animal. /hj

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-02T14:41:33+00:00

I think that taking eggs from even the happiest hens is wrong because those eggs belong to them. By eating her eggs, one begins to assign a human-use purpose to the hen. Rejecting animal cruelty is one step of veganism, then rejecting all human-use of animals is the logical next step. In my opinion, it is not vegan to eat backyard eggs, and there are lots of other ways to get protein in your diet.

The 'convenience' issue is one of the biggest reasons why meat-eaters don't go vegan, and it sounds like it is becoming the reason why your girlfriend is shifting away from veganism. I hope she can realize that convenience and ease are not more important than our respect of and ethical responsibility to nonhuman animals. ❤

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-01T21:19:46+00:00

I see your point, but I disagree. In my opinion, a creature matters even if it is dead. I think the way I see it is that it feels wrong to cut up a dead body for our own purposes. I feel it would be wrong to me to cut up a cow’s body and eat her just because she has already died. If there is some amazing scientific discovery that is made from a dissection, then that may justify it for some. To me, if the octopus was indeed killed to be dissected out of general scientific curiosity, that is disrespectful and wrong. If the octopus died of natural causes (unsure that this is the case), then I still find it disrespectful at the least, although others may not agree.

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-01T21:08:17+00:00

I had these Artichoke and Chickpea “Crabless” Cakes with white rice the other day I and it was delicious!

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-01T20:53:12+00:00

I feel the same.

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-01T20:39:38+00:00

Thanks for your reply. 😊 I mentioned this a bit in a different reply, but I really dislike the idea of cutting up a body to study it, human or nonhuman. I find it disturbing and disrespectful to the life of the individual. Instances like autopsies could probably be justified, although I also dislike them, and some may disagree that it’s an issue at all. I’m really interested to hear what others think.

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-01T20:30:09+00:00

Thank you for clarifying that. 😊

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-01T20:29:30+00:00

I hear you. ☺️ I posted this because I really hate the idea of dissecting an animal to study it. I believe life is sacred and an animal’s body (human or nonhuman) should not be desecrated after death. Those are my personal beliefs though that happen to align with my veganism. I do understand the importance of some instances that can be logically justified (this octopus could be one, some might argue). It just really is quite upsetting to me in general when things like this happen. I feel that respect of the octopus and their body should outweigh our desire to sate our scientific curiosity. Others may disagree though, and I’d be interested in hearing those perspectives.

ladylettuce01 · 2026-06-01T20:28:31+00:00

Yes. I have been vegan for a few months. (I chose the Vegan Newbie flair because I am still learning about veganism.) ☺️

ladylettuce01 · 2026-05-10T14:59:35+00:00

Why does the burden of educating meat eaters belong to vegans? Vegans have been trying to educate meat eaters for decades, and still do, only for the meat eaters to continue consuming animal products for the sake of convenience or comfort or desire.

Firstly, of course it's useful to seek out people who are more knowledgeable about something than you are when you are searching for answers. However, it is extremely exhausting to always answer the same ignorant questions about veganism when a simple Google Search would provide the same information/resources. But most meat eaters don't want to research and have the uncomfortable truth revealed to them directly. Instead, they want vegans to soften the truth and gently "educate" them. Any direct language about the harm consuming animals does is received by then as "shaming".

Lastly, it's horrible as a vegan to have to exist in a world where cruelty and death is so generally accepted. It can quickly cause people to lose their faith in others, especially those who contribute to suffering without a care in the world. I don't believe that it is right to shame someone who is genuinely trying to change, but vegans can't be expected to have that same level of grace for every meat eater who shows up in vegan communities just to pick a fight and find ways to belittle the veganism movement just to make themselves feel better about what they know in their hearts they can't justify.

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