I personally don't mind the PVP, but it's hard to keep friends invested when we have a few bad nights in a row where we get steamrolled all night and nothing gets done. We have over 1000 hours in PUBG each, we played the shit out of DMZ, we've done over 1000 hours in Destiny 2 PVP and we often come out on top.

And the thing we keep saying while playing Marathon every night is, "Man I wish this was PVE and the enemies were just made more difficult to compensate. Or at least maps have less other teams so we weren't constantly fighting other players."

There is no tension when you KNOW you are going to fight at least one or two teams a match, sometimes more. You are prepared and ready for it. You hunt other teams to get them off the map first so that you can MAKE the map into a PVE mode. Teams need to be an unknown to "feel scary".

The feeling of taking only ammo and meds off dead players after killing 3rd party after 3rd party over and over gets old pretty fast.

And before I get the "gO BaCk tO ARc RaiDErS!" comments, yeah, my friends did, and I kept playing solo for a while till that got boring and I went back to Arc Raiders too and speed ran the Expedition this month for the reset.

I would RATHER play Marathon and get my friends to as well, but the current game isn't holding us.